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I was just curios to know what would happen if you used table sugar instead of dextrose with PWO insulin injection.
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what about the lower GI?
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Anyone?
joshuasmith93
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Has anyone used table sugar with insulin, or does nobody know? Id really like input from more than 1 person.
table sugar fine. you can use just about anything.
soda
juice
maltodextrin
dextrose
syrups
jellies
candy, the list goes on and on..
some are faster some are slower, some are not pure ingrediants.
your choice.
soda
juice
maltodextrin
dextrose
syrups
jellies
candy, the list goes on and on..
some are faster some are slower, some are not pure ingrediants.
your choice.
joshuasmith93
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Thanks man
its good that you want the opinion of more than 1 person, but i hope asking around the boards isnt your only research. done wrong you could die. do some medical research. also here is a giid site to check out. just click on the different links from the main page.
http://basskilleronline.com/insulin.shtmlhttp://basskilleronline.com/insulin-anabolic-hormone.shtml
http://basskilleronline.com/insulin.shtmlhttp://basskilleronline.com/insulin-anabolic-hormone.shtml
+1 joe
If hes already using I hope hes got his sugars in check...and which are the best choices
If hes already using I hope hes got his sugars in check...and which are the best choices
joshuasmith93
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I have been researching it for about 3 months now, I just have never seen anyone post anything about table sugar, just dextrose. Thanks for the link man.
any time
joshuasmith93
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Do you guys inject IM or SUB-Q? If IM, where? Likke if I do chest shoulders triceps into the shoulders. And if I do legs into the legs?
Or is in the abdomen sub-q the best regardless of thee workout?
Or is in the abdomen sub-q the best regardless of thee workout?
i used humulin r sub q in the stomach. you can use humalog either way. i would stick to upper body.
joshuasmith93
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Ive got novilin r. Thanks for the help.
you need to go sub q
Table sugar is a poor choice. Table sugar is Sucrose and has a much lower GI than dextrose/glucose. If you don't know what the glycemic index is, check it out. Basically, it's digested slowly and raises your bloog sugar more slowly.
If your going to use insulin, you want to use a higher GI glucose source that is going to be more consistent or you risk serious health consiquences. Something like Maltodextrin, dextrose, glucose, waxy maise...
Also, when injecting insulin, always subcutaneously in the abdomen - pinch and inject.
Personally, it's a little scary that you are planning to use insulin and are still asking these questions, but I guess it's good your asking - you should have all this nailed down before you start. Just be very careful, low blood sugars are NOT fun.
(I'm an insulin dependent diabetic).
gstacker
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if you cant get rapid acting insulin and novilin r isint rapid acting, dont even use insulin just drink some glucose and 15 mins later have your pwo shake...or take in the glucose and protien prior to your work out....you dont want insulin in your system up to 8 hours soaking up any fat your taking in all day...i dont use insulin, but i do play with a glucose meter and watch my sugar levels while experimenting with diff types of sugar.
your body produces insulin, and its free,legal and works.
your body produces insulin, and its free,legal and works.
actually sugar works verry fast and its a matter of seconds compared to glucose. it works fine. sure glucose is better if your going hypo but we are talking about meals to eat to prevent going hypo.
wolfman87
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word. this man knows what he is talking about. getting in touch with your own production is a good first step and should be the first thing you do. if you disagree you haven't researched enough. this has some of the most serious consequences if you mess it up just once.
novilin r is far more effective than diet provoked insulin spikes can ever be. i did the food method for years then switched to humilin r and it was an extreme difference. it was more effective than any thing i have ever tried. definately more powerful than any aas when it comes to muscle building. and just so i dont give the wrong impresson, it carries numerous dangers including death. you should also plan on becoming diabetic if you are going to use it for sny long period of time because it will probably happen. i do not use insulin any more.
Ditto. I just read that he said he has Novolin R, which is regular insulin. Scary stuff for someone not diabetic- heck, tough even when you ARE diabetic.
If sucrose is all you have, then yes. Sucrose is very good at spiking insulin, but not all of the sucrose di-molecule goes to the blood stream to replenish glycogen stores in muscle cells - much of it goes to the liver to replenish glycogen stores there (hense the lower GI). Afterward, what it's used for is questionable, and by that time you're outside the anabolic window of your workout...Just can't agree that sucrose is "fine" - a decent substitute, maybe, but in the precense of cheap available dextrose and maltodextrin, I can't understand the use of table sugar. If I were using insulin as a performance enhancement drug only, I'd want my glucose replenishment to work as well as possible and as predictable as possible, period.
your entire statement is questionable. its also person dependant. to each his own i guess. like i said i prefered glucose but sugar worked fine. i dont know how you interprited that statement.
gstacker
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table sugar will get you out of trouble if your bs gets low but its not nutricious for your muscles, glucose is and will replenish glycogyen....
again learn how to spike and controll your blood sugar naturally, if you cant do that and understand the concept of it your really going to get yourself in trouble and end up with brain damage, insulin dependent or even die. most of us cant get RAPID acting insulin anyway so dont even bother.
again learn how to spike and controll your blood sugar naturally, if you cant do that and understand the concept of it your really going to get yourself in trouble and end up with brain damage, insulin dependent or even die. most of us cant get RAPID acting insulin anyway so dont even bother.
why? why is r a waste? im not being sarcastic, i really dont think you have a full understanding of what insulin will do for us. if what you are saying is true then the only important meal after we work out is the first one.
Insulin creates its own "anabolic window" each time it is used.
Table sugar works incrediably well. all sugar sources will replenish glycogen..its the rate that its done that is the nomial factor.
the amount of an insulin spike created by the body isnt comparable to exogenious insulin, and to say that eating carbs after the workout to acheive the same/effect and result of exogenius insulin is juist foolish.
last time I checked muscle repair didnt happen until glycogen level were restored.
It would take somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 grams of carbs to equal and insulin inject of 4 i.u.
you know there are CHILDREN that have to use insulin every day, kids who may be absent minded and may occasionally give themselves too much and we dont here about 6 year olds dying all over the place.
please post articles of peolpe with brain damage and death associated with insulin use.
humalin R is just as effective as humalog. It far from a waste. the windowe is a bit longer with R but just as effective.
exactly.
i mean no disrespect to anyone. i think these grave dangers that come along with slin are mostly a result of a wide spread lack of knowlege. the mass confusion on the subject is scary. my replies are from real experience not shit i read somewhere.
work with a doctor he will set you straight on how to keep your levels where they need to be and where they actually need to be, buy a glucose monitor, learn how to and when to use it. learn the diet and dangers involved before you ever start. if you do not want to take the risks then stay away. ps get a good monitor. i dont trust those 20.00 pieces of shit. not the results but the life span is what i worry about. i had to drive an hout to a 24 hour pharmacy when my 2 weak old cheep unit took a shit.
sucks about the meter..im lucky i guess, my father in law works r@d for eli lilly
learned alot about insulin from him...This is incorrect. Insulin sensativity at the cell level is what causes the anabolic window.
All sugar sources CONVERT to glucose (to be specific they all are glucose, just multi-bonded), but not all sugar sources replenish "muscle" glycogen.
I will agree with this, though I believe there to be a point of diminishing returns where you simply can use too much insulin and too many carbs and they don't have the end result you are looking for.
10 iu of insulin and a couple hundred grams of carbs in a humalog window will not have a "diminishing returns" effect. If not abused.
500 grams of carbs to get the equal of a 4 iu inject is a rediculous return on thise actions compted to equal alittle humalog.
have you ever used insulin personally?
anyone who ever worked out would be perpetually hypoglycemic if sugar did not replenish muscle glycogen. where did you come up with this???
there you go.
you could always donate it to the salvation army. Im sure somebody could use a meter.
Or perhaps a bodybuiler in your gym!
you could always donate it to the salvation army. Im sure somebody could use a meter.
Or perhaps a bodybuiler in your gym!
the gym one i wouldnt touch.
the other is a good idea. i have a good will up the road a ways, i'll take it there.
The anabolic window is the time proceeding an intense workout when your muscle cells will gorge themselves at a greater rate than they normally would. No need to post proof here. So are you saying that if you take 4 units of insulin while sleeping on the couch having not worked out, it will be just as effective as 4 units right after a 1 hour workout? No way. Insulin, in and of itself, does NOT create the window.
There is no one "sugar". Glucose forms glycogen, the energy source that replenishes muscle. Glucose is one type of sugar (dextrose is the name of the biological active isomer of glucose). Sucrose, another sugar, is actually a combination of fructose and glucose. Fructose is another type of "sugar". When sucrose is broken down, it forms one glucose and one fructose unit. The glucose unit can then be used to replenish muscle glycogen. The fructose however is transported directly to the liver to replenish stores there (not muscle cells). Fructose does not replenish muscle glycogen (unless a rather lengthly enzymatic transformation takes place). Another sugar is Lactose which is made up of a glucose and galactose unit. Galactose is primarily used to stimulate the production of lactose in nursing women
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Glucose/Dextrose: used for muscle glycogen
Sucrose: Half used for muscle glycogen, half for liver replenishment
Lactose: Half used for muscle glycogen, half is pretty much wasted (unless you are nursing)
Fructose: used for liver replenishment
Galactose: used for...
Bottom line is not all sugars are the same.
Sucrose and Lactose will have the effect of spiking insulin because of the breakdown of the disaccharide partially into glucose (initiating a pacreatic response), but they also provide less glucose unit for unit (theoretically half) for actual muscle replenishment.
Second bottomline is that just because a sugar spikes insulin does not mean it will be completely used to replenish muscle stores.
As for the liver replenishing glycogen, the liver does not release enough glycogen to really mean anything. The liver's job is to supply a steady state of glycogen for the whole body to use, slowly. I wouldn't rely on liver glycogen to refuel your muscles.
Have I used insulin? Sort of. I used 13 units of Levemir this morning (basal), 5 units of Novolog for breakfast, 2 units of Novolog for an afternoon snack, 4 units for lunch, another 1 unit to adjust for a miss at lunch (darned yogurt got away from me), 3 units for dinner, and actually avoided needing it for an evening snack since I decided to go with some pecans. Finished off with 10 units of Levemir for my evening basal. Oh and I made sure to test myself 10 times today as well.
I think the issue is the use of the word "sugar".
There is no one "sugar". Glucose forms glycogen, the energy source that replenishes muscle. Glucose is one type of sugar (dextrose is the name of the biological active isomer of glucose). Sucrose, another sugar, is actually a combination of fructose and glucose. Fructose is another type of "sugar". When sucrose is broken down, it forms one glucose and one fructose unit. The glucose unit can then be used to replenish muscle glycogen. The fructose however is transported directly to the liver to replenish stores there (not muscle cells). Fructose does not replenish muscle glycogen (unless a rather lengthly enzymatic transformation takes place). Another sugar is Lactose which is made up of a glucose and galactose unit. Galactose is primarily used to stimulate the production of lactose in nursing women
.Glucose/Dextrose: used for muscle glycogen
Sucrose: Half used for muscle glycogen, half for liver replenishment
Lactose: Half used for muscle glycogen, half is pretty much wasted (unless you are nursing)
Fructose: used for liver replenishment
Galactose: used for...
Bottom line is not all sugars are the same.
Sucrose and Lactose will have the effect of spiking insulin because of the breakdown of the disaccharide partially into glucose (initiating a pacreatic response), but they also provide less glucose unit for unit (theoretically half) for actual muscle replenishment.
Second bottomline is that just because a sugar spikes insulin does not mean it will be completely used to replenish muscle stores.
As for the liver replenishing glycogen, the liver does not release enough glycogen to really mean anything. The liver's job is to supply a steady state of glycogen for the whole body to use, slowly. I wouldn't rely on liver glycogen to refuel your muscles.
Have I used insulin? Sort of. I used 13 units of Levemir this morning (basal), 5 units of Novolog for breakfast, 2 units of Novolog for an afternoon snack, 4 units for lunch, another 1 unit to adjust for a miss at lunch (darned yogurt got away from me), 3 units for dinner, and actually avoided needing it for an evening snack since I decided to go with some pecans. Finished off with 10 units of Levemir for my evening basal. Oh and I made sure to test myself 10 times today as well.
wolfman87
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is there any use in something like Glipizide? it's supposed to raise your insulin (it's for type 2 i believe) which i think would be good for someone just getting into the insulin game. does anyone know anything about this kind of stuff? if i understand correctly it's supposed to take care of the problem of eating so much carbs to equal a certain amount exogenous slin so you don't get fat. so for instance you could take a tab of this and then take some glucose, dextrose, etc and your protein. i still need to figure out the amount of the spike it causes in your body equals (how much a 5g tab would equal in iu's of exo slin i mean).
obviously i don't think this would be good for someone who has been doing it a long time, but for someone like me whose just looking to start getting into it, it could be an easier way of getting used to the meter and times it takes your own body to respond to certain foods and possibly some of the lighter side effects of slin are, but in a safer way because it doesn't last very long.
obviously i don't think this would be good for someone who has been doing it a long time, but for someone like me whose just looking to start getting into it, it could be an easier way of getting used to the meter and times it takes your own body to respond to certain foods and possibly some of the lighter side effects of slin are, but in a safer way because it doesn't last very long.
I don't think glipiside would be a good idea because there's no measurable link between how much you take and how much insulin your pancreas then releases. I had to test the most when I was on it years ago (before insulin) because it was so inconsistent. Had I known how much control I have had with insulin therapy, I would have just gone insulin then. As well, glipiside has a much longer effect, making your pancreas over produce for quite some time.
I just read that you said you thought it doesn't last very long - actually it does. It's a once a day pill for the most part, and provides increased insulin for most of the day. It generally does not cause a spike.
gstacker
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if your going to mess around mine as well do it right, the idea of using insulin is to get your nutrionts force fed directly after a work out, type r will stay in your system up to 8 hours! and peaks 2-3 hours after you take it...you want your pwo shake 2-3 hours later?.....again i dont want people getting the wrong idea that havent read all the post in this thread...im not a fan of using insulin and dont recomend it
gstacker
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im sory you dont believe that death and brain damage is a threat while injecting insulin into your body. and im also sory your using table sugar while taking such great risk and not even getting full benifits...obviosly your a slin user and i am not so your knowalage is much greater than mine in this area and your prolly alot more advanced bb....i wish you luck and i dont wish death or brain damage on anyone, even if they mess with slin and dont know what there doing.
wolfman87
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bummer
you are wrong. sure the post w/o is importand and a quality shake on the way out of the gym is best. however slin provides a major boost to recovery at pretty much any time for someone on a steroid cycle. thats where the real experience vs. medical info. comes into play. medical info is important and mostly correct but some things change when its being used with other drugs and for a different reason. the medical info was written based on regular people who needed insulin for a medical condition. there are no medical books out there on how to add insulin to an aas cycle to improve muscle building. if i am on 1g of steroids my body is looking to grow already. my muscles are always looking for nutrients as long as its time to eat.
gstacker
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yes pwo is the most important meal, thats why slin users take slin at that time...rapid acting is best for this purpose hands down so my opinion is if your not using rapid acting slin your taking major risk and not getting full benifits, just doesnt make sense to me, and if you guys are using table sugar on top of that then thats just plain (not smart)
and yes i realise every meal of the day is important and alot of those meals need to contain fat, you really dont need a insulin spike going on while taking in fat....but if you want to debate it im willing to try and understand where your comming from, why dont you post up your day schedule using slin post work out along with bs levels iu`s of slin used, what you ate etc...im very interested now...also your stats and what kind of improvemnts you have made during the time
im not trying to cut anyone down but theres been alot of slin talk latly that ive noticed, thats all we need is some kid walking into wall greens and buying slin and some c&H sugar go do some curls in the mirrior and end up in a coma..if your a bb pro thats fine do your thang but no need to advocate it and borderline encourage it on the forums, i believe if someones going to mess with it then thats what there going to do and yes having helpful information is better than none but the dangers should never ever be played down and if your going to encourage it you better know damn well what your doing and have the specs to back it up. sory joe i like you man, i get alot out of your post, we just bump heads on this one topic
wolfman87
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The anabolic window is the time proceeding an intense workout when your muscle cells will gorge themselves at a greater rate than they normally would. No need to post proof here. So are you saying that if you take 4 units of insulin while sleeping on the couch having not worked out, it will be just as effective as 4 units right after a 1 hour workout? No way. Insulin, in and of itself, does NOT create the window.
I think the issue is the use of the word "sugar".
There is no one "sugar". Glucose forms glycogen, the energy source that replenishes muscle. Glucose is one type of sugar (dextrose is the name of the biological active isomer of glucose). Sucrose, another sugar, is actually a combination of fructose and glucose. Fructose is another type of "sugar". When sucrose is broken down, it forms one glucose and one fructose unit. The glucose unit can then be used to replenish muscle glycogen. The fructose however is transported directly to the liver to replenish stores there (not muscle cells). Fructose does not replenish muscle glycogen (unless a rather lengthly enzymatic transformation takes place). Another sugar is Lactose which is made up of a glucose and galactose unit. Galactose is primarily used to stimulate the production of lactose in nursing women
Glucose/Dextrose: used for muscle glycogen
Sucrose: Half used for muscle glycogen, half for liver replenishment
Lactose: Half used for muscle glycogen, half is pretty much wasted (unless you are nursing)
Fructose: used for liver replenishment
Galactose: used for...
Bottom line is not all sugars are the same.
Sucrose and Lactose will have the effect of spiking insulin because of the breakdown of the disaccharide partially into glucose (initiating a pacreatic response), but they also provide less glucose unit for unit (theoretically half) for actual muscle replenishment.
Second bottomline is that just because a sugar spikes insulin does not mean it will be completely used to replenish muscle stores.
As for the liver replenishing glycogen, the liver does not release enough glycogen to really mean anything. The liver's job is to supply a steady state of glycogen for the whole body to use, slowly. I wouldn't rely on liver glycogen to refuel your muscles.
Have I used insulin? Sort of. I used 13 units of Levemir this morning (basal), 5 units of Novolog for breakfast, 2 units of Novolog for an afternoon snack, 4 units for lunch, another 1 unit to adjust for a miss at lunch (darned yogurt got away from me), 3 units for dinner, and actually avoided needing it for an evening snack since I decided to go with some pecans. Finished off with 10 units of Levemir for my evening basal. Oh and I made sure to test myself 10 times today as well.
you can sit on the couch not to a darn thing inject insulin eat and grow. WITHOUT EVER TOUCHING A WEIGHT that is a fact. Not just fat/water but MUSCLE. weight lifting is catabolic
eating and shuttling nutrients is anablic (creating an anabolic window is an amount of time where you are shuttling massive amounts of nutrients to their destination)ergo insulin+food=super anabolic) you have been mislead and are confused.
the final prooduct of and ingested sugar is going to be glycogen. The body may use 1 source more effectiently that another but they will ALL accomplish the intended goal. the question is how fast /how much you will get the glycogen. Please see ones my first posts early on.
I have never ingested pure glyconen and never gone hypo even when just drinking soda (high fructose corn syrup).By your line of thinking I should have passed out or been in a comma from not having glycogen because of the LOOONG enzematic process.
You say the body will only use glucose to replenish lost muscle glycongen. The body will infact use what ever means neccesary to accomplidh homeostasis.Sucrose, fructose, lactose ,coveting fats to carbs (yes it can be done) will be used
I have drank a half gallon of whole milk just after and insulin inject and never felt Hypo. Only half would be glycogen the other half watsed, by your thinking I shoud have have hypo systoms and or dizzyness or passed out. That is lactose from what you stated above. Your thinking is flawed Sir. I still grow like crazy useing the list of sugars earlier in the thread. To say that the body is selective in which soruces it chocies to feed muscle tissue is absolute hogwash. I know better Ive been using it for years.
The fact that your a diabetic only proves that your body now operates differantly that mine and most of the others on this board who dont have diabetes. Your view is slanted. Your doc may be telling you all this, but I will take real world experience over your convoluted comments anyday.
Insulin shoves nutrients into all cells not just muscle cells no one is arguing that. Thats why people a re so frieghten of getting fat when using insulin
Insulin is a pwerful tool when used correctly. I suggest you think twice before misleading readers.
P.S. the world isnt flat
still waiting for documentation.....
im not going to post a long drawn out schedule that i used to follow. i grew to large for my organs. my heart was inlarged do to my lifestyle mostly size related. i am 5'5'' and was pushing 280. my goal was to build mass. my new goal is to be healthy. i have lost and am still losing size intentionally as my heart shrinks back. i will never use slin again nor will i ever run a cycle.
while on aas slin can be an effective tool for delivering nutrients to your muscles (yes i know there is a lot to it. im just using out main reason) with every meal. thats right every meal. you are now saying that people use it post w/o like thats the only time. this is another untrue statement. people use slin at all different times. 4 times per day is a verry effective method. r type insulin is used for 3 out of 4 of these times if not all 4. some people are using n type. why???? because slin will shuttle nutrients to your muscles whenever it is present. i am done debating the subject. im not advising anyone use slin. i am giving honest real answers to the questions. so no hard fealings here im just done with it.
while on aas slin can be an effective tool for delivering nutrients to your muscles (yes i know there is a lot to it. im just using out main reason) with every meal. thats right every meal. you are now saying that people use it post w/o like thats the only time. this is another untrue statement. people use slin at all different times. 4 times per day is a verry effective method. r type insulin is used for 3 out of 4 of these times if not all 4. some people are using n type. why???? because slin will shuttle nutrients to your muscles whenever it is present. i am done debating the subject. im not advising anyone use slin. i am giving honest real answers to the questions. so no hard fealings here im just done with it.
got any articles...anything to back it up. tell be how many pros have diabetes now???
I'm simply going to say this:
1) I'm not going to post any articles. If you can find something to dispute me, go for it. But I haven't seen anyone else post any articles, and what I am saying can easily be found. IMHO, take the time to look up if what you are going to recommend is sound. As many people indicate, everyone is different, so just because something hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean someone might be different. What if someone has a sucrase deficiency?
2) Anabolic Window: Your anabolic window is post workout and is much shorter in anaerobic exercuse. There's no other time in which your mucle cells are ready to gorge and gorge and gorge on glycogen. More so, much more so, than any other time. Will your muscles take in glycogen other times? Yep. Will they super saturate themselves any other time, not typically. Is it comparable any other time. No Way.
3) In reference to above, I can guarantee you, you would see much more benefit from having a short acting spike of insulin post workout and taking in a ton of carbs and only that, then taking medium acting insulin that does not spike and eating carbs over a long period of time. I will agree that if you are using Regular insulin, I guess it doesn't matter what form of sugar you take in, because the time of action of regular is so slow, you've got plenty of time to take in all the carbs you need. I guess I just can't imagine spending money and time to use insulin and not use it during the absolute best time and with the fastest acting sugars I could. I just seems very unstrategic.
4) If you've never gone hypo when using insulin, you've never used enough TO GO hypo. If you use too much insulin and do not take in enough carbs, you will go hypo - you're liver cannot release enough glycogen fast enough to offset a fast drop in BG due to exogenous insulin.
5) Coma (most common) and death from hypoglycemia is common. Coma is most common because once the person goes into the coma, their body is able to recover to a state that prevents death. A simple search will show you this. This is one of the most common issues with Juvenile diabetes. I myself personally knew two people, one who died and one who was injured in a car accident but killed another person, due to extremely low blood sugars.
6) Can you post something showing where pro's use insulin all the time during the day? I've never read anything to the like - I have read that to extemes they inject directly into the blood stream (IV) post workout as has been indicated, but again administration was always admitted as post workout.
1) I'm not going to post any articles. If you can find something to dispute me, go for it. But I haven't seen anyone else post any articles, and what I am saying can easily be found. IMHO, take the time to look up if what you are going to recommend is sound. As many people indicate, everyone is different, so just because something hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean someone might be different. What if someone has a sucrase deficiency?
2) Anabolic Window: Your anabolic window is post workout and is much shorter in anaerobic exercuse. There's no other time in which your mucle cells are ready to gorge and gorge and gorge on glycogen. More so, much more so, than any other time. Will your muscles take in glycogen other times? Yep. Will they super saturate themselves any other time, not typically. Is it comparable any other time. No Way.
3) In reference to above, I can guarantee you, you would see much more benefit from having a short acting spike of insulin post workout and taking in a ton of carbs and only that, then taking medium acting insulin that does not spike and eating carbs over a long period of time. I will agree that if you are using Regular insulin, I guess it doesn't matter what form of sugar you take in, because the time of action of regular is so slow, you've got plenty of time to take in all the carbs you need. I guess I just can't imagine spending money and time to use insulin and not use it during the absolute best time and with the fastest acting sugars I could. I just seems very unstrategic.
4) If you've never gone hypo when using insulin, you've never used enough TO GO hypo. If you use too much insulin and do not take in enough carbs, you will go hypo - you're liver cannot release enough glycogen fast enough to offset a fast drop in BG due to exogenous insulin.
5) Coma (most common) and death from hypoglycemia is common. Coma is most common because once the person goes into the coma, their body is able to recover to a state that prevents death. A simple search will show you this. This is one of the most common issues with Juvenile diabetes. I myself personally knew two people, one who died and one who was injured in a car accident but killed another person, due to extremely low blood sugars.
6) Can you post something showing where pro's use insulin all the time during the day? I've never read anything to the like - I have read that to extemes they inject directly into the blood stream (IV) post workout as has been indicated, but again administration was always admitted as post workout.
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The above is most cetainly unfounded and will be noticed by those who have used Insulin in bodybuilding. Im sorry that you dont get it.
This year alone (since Jan 15 ) have gained 77 lbs by usung Insulin and a few other compounds.
ALL post by yourself are so off base that from this point forward I will no longer adreess your comments.
The proof is in the pudding. You have refuted my statements with zero doucumentation. Just hyperbole and the opinion of a diabetic. Hardly enough to sway the truth.
Good day to you Sir.
Bent
This year alone (since Jan 15 ) have gained 77 lbs by usung Insulin and a few other compounds.
ALL post by yourself are so off base that from this point forward I will no longer adreess your comments.
The proof is in the pudding. You have refuted my statements with zero doucumentation. Just hyperbole and the opinion of a diabetic. Hardly enough to sway the truth.
Good day to you Sir.
Bent
joshuasmith93
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Whats up guys. Thinks for all the feed back. Well I started Monday morning immediately post workout, and I love the stuff. I pushed my self in the gym so hard I thought I was going to break down in tears. Usually when I workout that hard I am extremely sore for a few days. A few hours after my workout I didn't even feel like I worked out. As of the first day I am up 10 pounds. I was already eating as much as I could, but hit a plateau. 4 more weeks to go.
gstacker
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cool bro just be safe and monitor your b/s...what proto call did you decide to go with? type of casrbs, iu`s meal etc?
wolfman87
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fuck me running! was this in the morning after taking a piss/shit or later at night? i find this hard to believe.
gstacker
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well if you wake up in the morning flat and dry and by the evening time you get a few meals in you and speacially after working out and using slin i dont think ten pounds is un heard of. ofcourse expect to be ten pounds lighter when you get depleted again and weight in in the morning again....also has alot to do with your bf i think if its a lil higher the differecnces will be more. but to think your up ten pounds of muscle is ofcourse bs
joshuasmith93
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Yes I am up 10 pounds as in the morning. I decided to start with 2iu then go up 1 every workout mon wed fri. I shot 3 iu today and will do 4 friday. I am going until I reach 13 iu. I am using 10 grams of table sugar per every iu, and on hour later have a baked potatoe, 5 scoops of fat free milk powder, 1.5 cups dry of brown rice, and a can of tuna. I have a bag of jolly ranchers with me at all times just incase. I also have 52 grams of whey with my table sugar. I will increase the food at each shot to keep the gains consistant.
gstacker
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im not sure i know what to say.... ive already said it all in previous post on this thread... i guess, your only going to hear what you want to hear and run with it...one last try, get a bs monitor, dont use table sugar, dont go over 8iu and keep some glucose tabs on you or better yet sweet juice...i really think your jumping the gun on this but hay your going to do what you do
this is one reason i hate to see people down play the dangers of insulin.
gl josh i wish you no harm.
Typically I eat 30 cals per lb of bodyweight. That will keep you gaining perpetually. It can turm into alot of food but it can be done.
Keep your protein aroun d 2 grams per lb of bodyweight.Keep eatin and doin the work, youll be big as a house and stronger than shit. Keep it up.
joshuasmith93
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Yeah man I am eating like crazy. The scale has not moved since monday, but I feel like I am getting bigger every meal.Typically I eat 30 cals per lb of bodyweight. That will keep you gaining perpetually. It can turm into alot of food but it can be done.
Keep your protein aroun d 2 grams per lb of bodyweight.Keep eatin and doin the work, youll be big as a house and stronger than shit. Keep it up.
Thanks all of you guys looking out for my health, and giving me tips. I really appreciate this site.
While taking all advises into consideration you must remember that YOU will always make the final desision. We can only offer persepective from expereience and logical information provided by others. Kepp us posted on your progress and or problems.
Enjoy.
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joshuasmith93
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Will do. Thanks.
joshuasmith93
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I actually ran this a few months back, but I never reposted. I gained about 15 pounds in 3 weeks and kept all of it. I had some people asking what I was on. It was great. Thanks for the help guys.
