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pridecommitment

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how many of you train to failure on every set except warmups?

i've read this can be too taxing on your Central nervous system and is unnecessary? can anyone chime in on this

personally my split looks like this...working great just not trying to overtrain i've noticed my bench has stalled a bit at 295

chest/legs/off/shoulders and back/arms/off REPEAT
 
yes it can be.. if it works for you then keep with it. Training to failure is okay to do sometimes, but if you overdo it it can cause more harm than good.
 
Do you have any de-load weeks?

Do you alter your training routine in any way, intensity, volume or exercises?

Do you take any planned breaks from training?
 
no I often miss judge military presses though and go to failure by mistake. But I try and avoid it as much as I can
 
I primarily train to failure, especially on bench. I find that it's the best way for me to break plateaus.
 
guys, i am not nearly as experienced as you are, but isn't training to failure every workout, or too often considered to be more harmful than beneficial. Once you "fail" your muscle fibers are completely taxed out and after a while, your central nervous system can't take it.
 
My understanding is that if you train to failure, it should be on your last set. Also, the volume should be kept low. Pretty standard HIT stuff. Some big names made great gains this way. This has been working for me lately. I will do this until it stops working, then change it up...again! For example, when doing chest I first do 40 pushups to get the blood going, two warmup sets on incline bench with light but progressively heavier weight, then 1 working set to failure +1 (spotter required!). I define failure as the last rep I can get by myself with good form. Further chest exercises require no warmup sets: 1 set of incline flys to failure, 1 set decline bench to failure, and chest is done. I like to change the rep scheme from workout to workout, so 1 week failure is at 12ish reps, next week at 8-10 reps, next week at 6ish, next week back to 12.
This has helped me break through a plateau and start progressing again. Everybody is different and what works for some will not work so well for others, and as well as this is working for me right now, I know in time I will need to do something different. But I don't like to change just for the sake of change...if it works for you, do it until it stops working, THEN change it up.
 
pridecommitment said:
how many of you train to failure on every set except warmups?

i've read this can be too taxing on your Central nervous system and is unnecessary? can anyone chime in on this

personally my split looks like this...working great just not trying to overtrain i've noticed my bench has stalled a bit at 295

chest/legs/off/shoulders and back/arms/off REPEAT
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I think there are two general approaches to using MMF in our workouts. If you feel that higher volume works best to get your muscle hypertrophy, maybe it'd be wise to use MMF really sparingly. The other is low volume and use MMF on most, if not all, sets. I tend to prefer the latter. I feel like workouts should be sprints....a brief, really intense burst of maximal effort.

I do almost exclusively just two work sets per exercise, both to MMF and 2-4 rest/pause reps tacked onto the end of the second set. Only exception are squats. My hams and quads are freaky for a woman. I've only been back lifting since Jan and I squat slow and deep 250lbs for 12. My legs grow if you look at them funny.
 
i cant remember the last time iv done a work-set without hitting failure, or struggling so hard on my last rep that i know i couldnt get another one...

the only times not to go to failure is if your working up to a max set, IMO
 
Failure should happen at some point in every workout. You grow by porgressive overload, either more reps or more weight....you should really be hitting failure on AT LEAST one or two of your working sets on your first big compound lift for any given body part. I did chest today, started on flat bench, after 3 warm ups, we hit failure for 3 straight sets. Same on incline. then flyes and crossovers to flush the muscle with blood. Best way to grow IMO!!
 
sorry guys.. i know i am inexperienced but hitting failure on every set, or even on every exercise is counterproductive. It's called failure for a reason-- you fail with that much weight and should probably drop it down. Going to failure is extremely taxing on your central nervous system and you can only take so much of it. If you train to failure every workout, your CNS will not be able to take it. This, done too often will really hurt your recovery time, but everyone needs to push their limits and see what they can do, so if it's done on occasion it's not bad
 
Dorian yates trained beyond failure. You may be thinking your training to failure but in all reality you always still have them last 2-3 reps you can muster up.....Its all about INTENSITY INTENSITY.
 
I tend to have a few nagging spots, joint here, tendon there, ect. So I go with a lighter weight, slower movement, stricter form higher reps, super concentration ect....this allows me do be more "one" with mind/muscle contraction without aggravating injury. I thank omega for that philosophy. I change stuff up alot too.
I could go to the gym, load 135 on a BB and do an entire chest workout, just flat bench, changing grips, range of motion, rep number, rest between sets, ect... and be sore as hell the next 2 days. Its about the quality of the contraction.

I totally punked this 18 yr old kid out doing lat pull downs. He was like 165 lbs, using 180 lbs for reps. Swinging and jerking and yanking using pretty much everything but his lats. I never offer advice cause a) no one listens and b) i dont give a shit
But i offered, and he was like yeah sure. I told him to try dropping that to about 100 lbs and do 4 second reps, two up, squeeze, 2 down but neither all the way up or down to keep constant stress on the muscle. So ofcourse he looks at me like I have no idea what I am talking about. So I say, try it, you wont be able to do it. So he does. guess what, he barely finished 8 reps. He was dying. I also explained how much better it was for your joints. So ofcourse, next time I see him, he's using WAY too much weight, and flopping and swinging it and going a million miles an hour with it. I love jerk off kids.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
I tend to have a few nagging spots, joint here, tendon there, ect. So I go with a lighter weight, slower movement, stricter form higher reps, super concentration ect....this allows me do be more "one" with mind/muscle contraction without aggravating injury. I thank omega for that philosophy. I change stuff up alot too.
I could go to the gym, load 135 on a BB and do an entire chest workout, just flat bench, changing grips, range of motion, rep number, rest between sets, ect... and be sore as hell the next 2 days. Its about the quality of the contraction.

I totally punked this 18 yr old kid out doing lat pull downs. He was like 165 lbs, using 180 lbs for reps. Swinging and jerking and yanking using pretty much everything but his lats. I never offer advice cause a) no one listens and b) i dont give a shit
But i offered, and he was like yeah sure. I told him to try dropping that to about 100 lbs and do 4 second reps, two up, squeeze, 2 down but neither all the way up or down to keep constant stress on the muscle. So ofcourse he looks at me like I have no idea what I am talking about. So I say, try it, you wont be able to do it. So he does. guess what, he barely finished 8 reps. He was dying. I also explained how much better it was for your joints. So ofcourse, next time I see him, he's using WAY too much weight, and flopping and swinging it and going a million miles an hour with it. I love jerk off kids.
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man fuckthat! I hate that too!
 
2DIEZEL said:
Dorian yates trained beyond failure. You may be thinking your training to failure but in all reality you always still have them last 2-3 reps you can muster up.....Its all about INTENSITY INTENSITY.
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Dorin Yates genetics are ridiculous.... he isn't in the same league as any of us lol. If you train to failure, you fail on a rep.. That is failure.. There is no beyond failure, it's a very straightforward word. Yes, sometimes your mind can outdo your body and muster out another rep, but is not "beyond failure" because you aren't failing. I did some research on training to failure because this thread got me interested, and it is more harmful than beneficial imo. Done once in a while it is good, but to do it on every single set is crazy. Yes, you can get back and do some more, but you've already worked your biggest and strongest muscle fibers so what is the benfit of doing more? Btw this isn't a rhetorical question, i am actually wondering why you should do more with the same weight when you have already failed? I think i've mentioend this 3 or 4 times, but it's EXTREMELY taxing on your central nervous system and can hurt recovery time.
 
JDid23 said:
sorry guys.. i know i am inexperienced but hitting failure on every set, or even on every exercise is counterproductive. It's called failure for a reason-- you fail with that much weight and should probably drop it down. Going to failure is extremely taxing on your central nervous system and you can only take so much of it. If you train to failure every workout, your CNS will not be able to take it. This, done too often will really hurt your recovery time, but everyone needs to push their limits and see what they can do, so if it's done on occasion it's not bad
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what a silly thing to say.

failure on a specific set, doesnt mean failure at life or even bodybuilding (lol!)

alot of times your strength will not increase as rapidly (due to CNS as you stated) if training to failure, or the cusp of it every workout, but is deifnately necessary sometimes. which is why periodization is excellent for strength training.

as for bodybuilding, you tear your muscles down, and you eat to repair it. your body adapts and grows under increasing loads.

its not about picking a given amount of reps on a given amount of weight, and achieving it. its about fucking up your body till you cant lift anymore and eating and resting so you grow and can do it all over again
 
JDid23 said:
Dorin Yates genetics are ridiculous.... he isn't in the same league as any of us lol. If you train to failure, you fail on a rep.. That is failure.. There is no beyond failure, it's a very straightforward word. Yes, sometimes your mind can outdo your body and muster out another rep, but is not "beyond failure" because you aren't failing. I did some research on training to failure because this thread got me interested, and it is more harmful than beneficial imo. Done once in a while it is good, but to do it on every single set is crazy. Yes, you can get back and do some more, but you've already worked your biggest and strongest muscle fibers so what is the benfit of doing more? Btw this isn't a rhetorical question, i am actually wondering why you should do more with the same weight when you have already failed? I think i've mentioend this 3 or 4 times, but it's EXTREMELY taxing on your central nervous system and can hurt recovery time.
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failure is a stupid term anyway.

if i train with a spotter, i go till i cant do it anymore, and sometimes ill even ask my spotter to help me force out an extra rep or two. its still not "muscular failure" because if he provides more help, there is less tension and im still performing the lift and breaking down muscle fibers.

you cant over train.

only undereat and under rest.

my recommendations would be to set ur timer for an hour, and lift balls to walls for that hour. no bullshit sets. no pussying out.
 
ok thanks i understand....

and i hope failing on a set doesn't mean failing at life because i'd be pretty fkd over.

also, in your first response you said that it is definietely necessary sometimes, but when you go with a spotter you always train to failure?

anyways, idk i am just heading out now so i skimmed over your 2 posts. Thanks for the responses though i get it a bit more now.
 
JDid23 said:
ok thanks i understand....

and i hope failing on a set doesn't mean failing at life because i'd be pretty fkd over.

also, in your first response you said that it is definietely necessary sometimes, but when you go with a spotter you always train to failure?

anyways, idk i am just heading out now so i skimmed over your 2 posts. Thanks for the responses though i get it a bit more now.
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i never train chest or anything that "failure" can risk injury without a spotter.

but if i have spotter for like lat pulldowns, or something like that id force a rep or two

also, i never force repts on squats or deadlifts, because of obvious form/risk
 
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