Steroids and Hairloss, best combination

[Fitnesscounts]

Hey guys, I've been a gym rat for a number of years long enough to have my share of steroids shoved in my face. It was only until about 4 years ago when I was 23 that I decided to do my first cycle. I did an 8 week cycle of Sustanon 250 in combination with Deca-Durabolin. I did 250 ml of the Sustanon per week and I can't be sure exactly how many ml's of the Deca I used but it was a moderate dosage. I was a bit young and impulsive and hadn't taken the time necessary to research how to diet, avoid serious side effects, and how to cycle off. I just stopped after 8 weeks without any Nolvadex or HCG during or after. I had some notorious "ball" shrinkage but after time they came back (note that some time=3 months later). I did however manage some really good gains of muscle mass and was really stoked with my results. However a few months post cycle I started to get some male pattern baldness, nothing major just some recession at the temples. Needless to say I consider myself a ladies man an any hairloss at all for me is a no no. In the end I still believe that my first cycle without the use of finasteride (and yes I know you can't use finasteride with a Deca) caused me to lose the hair I had lost. Since then I've seen no more recession in my hairline in 4 years. Maybe because I started using Rogaine(minoxidil 5%) ever since. Now on to my main question, i've begun to get the naughty thoughts of doing another cycle but I really won't do it unless my risks of losing more hair are limited as much as possible. I've heard on several forums that Winstol can be more destructive than other steroids on the hairline. I know the major no no's for hair like Anadrol etcetera. I'm curious why Winstrol is anymore destructive on the hairline than any other mild AAS? I've noticed what I call forum momentum in which one person sends a red flag on something and quickly everyone else jumps on the band wagon. I'm truly wondering what if anything makes Winstrol any more dangerous than any other AAS. Now I've heard of safe steroids on the hairline like Boldenone(equipose) and Deca but the use of either one alone in a cycle is almost pointless in terms of gains and in terms of HPTA suppression. So what can I do? My idea is that if I take a relatively low dose cycle (200ml/week) for short term(6 weeks) of just Winstrol and use finasteride, rogaine, Nizoral 2%, spiro, etc. will I be pretty much in the clear? I would take with Deca or Equipose but I can't use finasteride with either because Deca and Equipose cause more hairloss with finasteride. So with my combination of just winstrol at 200ml per week for six weeks am I still taking a reasonable risk of making my hairline receed further? I'm not looking for huge gains to look like Ronnie Coleman. Is this a gamble or has anyone here done a mild cycle like mine with a predisposition to Male Pattern Baldness without any side effects in the hair deparment? Any solid facts with points to prove them would be greatly appreciated, especially from someone in my same situation. Look forward to hearing from you guys.

 

[swole]

welcome to EF bro...happy to initiate the help sequence

avoid dht's such as primo, winstrol and masteron which are known to antagonize male pattern baldness

go with LOW doses of test (no more than 300mg per week) and stack it with a tad of deca or EQ

to be honest i don't even think primo is that bad on the hair, so consider 300-400mg of that per week as well

run aromasin and dostinex throughout as needed (you probably won't need an AI for such a low dose of test)

the dostinex will keep progestin-related sides down and your libido up should deca suppress you

so in short

WK 1-10 300mg Test with any two of the following:

WK 1-10 200mg Deca
WK 1-10 300mg Primo
WK 1-10 500mg EQ

 

[Fitnesscounts]

Yo Swole thanks for the quick reply and the welcome bro. My problem is i'm afraid of doing any cycle without finasteride, and if I took the Test with a Deca or Equipose I couldn't use the finasteride right? I heard anytime you use finasteride with a deca or equipose it has a countereffect and causes more hairloss. And my first cycle I did was Sustanon 250 which is a testosterone and thats where I got my hairloss in the first place so i'm kind of dodgy going with any test. I've heard primobolan is a good one for hairloss but I live in Brazil at the moment the access to Primobolan is pretty much impossible. The mail system in Brazil is extremely corrupt and terrible, if you send a package from overseas to brazil your chances are about 1 in 10 you'll actually recieve it. The only test I can get here is sustanon 250 because it's made by a Brazilian company here called Organon and it's legit. I have fear of counterfit steroids so I only use what my close friends are using or what is sold at the pharmacy here with a legit company. So as you can see my options are a bit limited. Dam my genetic weaknesses!!! As for the accessibility of aromasin and dostinex here in Brazil i'd have to check it out. The only stuff people here get are Nolvadex, Clomid, and HCG's. Well bro keep me posted, I look forward to hearing what you think.

 

[swole]

How come you're afraid to cycle with fina? Fina has with it some harsh side effects...and if you saw hairloss on it and you want to avoid hairloss you're going to have to explore other options...right?

Nolva will do nothing for fina-related gyno...but having access to nolva, hcg and clomid will do you fine for your this run:

Heck you can do test, deca and EQ:

WK 1-10

300mg Test
300mg Deca
500mg EQ

Take 500iu weekly of HCG starting at week 4 until week 10...then use nolva and clomid for PCT.

 

[Barch]

How come you're afraid to cycle with fina? Fina has with it some harsh side effects...and if you saw hairloss on it and you want to avoid hairloss you're going to have to explore other options...right?

Nolva will do nothing for fina-related gyno...but having access to nolva, hcg and clomid will do you fine for your this run:

Heck you can do test, deca and EQ:

WK 1-10

300mg Test
300mg Deca
500mg EQ

Take 500iu weekly of HCG starting at week 4 until week 10...then use nolva and clomid for PCT.

Swole, I think he's talking about Propecia (Finasteride) not Finaplex (Tren)... or maybe I read his post wrong?

 

[Fitnesscounts]

How come you're afraid to cycle with fina? Fina has with it some harsh side effects...and if you saw hairloss on it and you want to avoid hairloss you're going to have to explore other options...right?

Nolva will do nothing for fina-related gyno...but having access to nolva, hcg and clomid will do you fine for your this run:

Heck you can do test, deca and EQ:

WK 1-10

300mg Test
300mg Deca
500mg EQ

Take 500iu weekly of HCG starting at week 4 until week 10...then use nolva and clomid for PCT.

Yo Swole Barch is right, I mean Propecia (finasteride). I don't want to do a cycle without the use of finasteride but I found some facts that have helped put me in the right direction for all who are reading this. First I could do a cycle of test and equipoise on finasteride without a counter effect. For those of you who don’t know you should never ever ever touch Deca while on finasteride because it will cause you to lose more hair. Do some searching on the internet and you’ll see what I’m talking about. But so far I’ve found everyone to say that equipoise is similar in effect to Deca but it’s chemical properties are different so that you can actually use finasteride while on equipoise (boldenone). Also I discovered why Winstrol is bad on the hairline, it’s because it’s a DHT derivative which is even worse than test because finasteride does nothing to prevent the loss from DHT derivatives. That’s because DHT derivatives don’t convert to DHT but retain their properties in the scalp attacking AR receptors directly the same way converted DHT from testosterone does. So in essence a cycle of test is probably your best bet for a baldy that needs an androgen, this is because you can use finasteride and it will block a lot of the DHT being converted from testosterone. Then you have the topical solutions like nizoral and spiro to kill any DHT in the scalp, and Rogaine helps to re-grow and hairs that have been thinned or miniaturized during the process. That means a good baldy limited cycle would be what Swole recommended which would be 300mg Test, 500mg Equipoise not Deca. Now even this cycle puts you at risk of losing hair because test converts to DHT which is responsible for hair loss. if you use topical nizoral 2%, topical spiro, finasteride, and minoxidil 5%(rogaine) you still run the risk of some hair loss because although finasteride blocks 60-80% of DHT in the scalp your going to have up to 5 times the levels of DHT being converted to your scalp during a cycle. So you’ll still even with finasteride have more DHT than normal in the scalp which will accelerate hairloss. I’m just curious as to how much hair loss I would see with doing only lets say an 8 week cycle. I’ll have some HCG, Nolvadex, Clomid on the side waiting as well. PCT I’ll start on 2 or 3 weeks after last injection since equipoise is a slow ester release and takes usually around 3 weeks to leave the system. I still think the only cycle that could be full hairline proof is just the use of equipoise or Deca-durabolin. I know about Deca dick, I haven’t heard what happens on a full cycle of Equipoise only, but I know all the homies here will shut me down on even questioning this cycle as I’ve seen it done time and time again. It’s just that with Deca or Eq there is no need for finasteride because they are both proven not to effect the hairline, although I heard one guy on the internet swear he lost hair on equipose only which I don’t buy. He seemed a bit uninformed and even a bit less intelligent so I couldn’t take his post seriously. All the major steroid websites say that Deca and Eq do not cause hair loss. But they never go on to talk about a full Deca or Eq cycle which puzzles me. Nobody seems to have a complete answer from start to finish. So I’m thinking I’m just going to have to try one cycle out and keep everyone posted. Say a prayer for me. Let me know what you think Swole.

 

[dfresh333]

if you are running any test at all (which of course you should be) and are concerned about your hairline, use finasteride while on cycle. i do and it keeps my hair from falling out even when i bumped test up to a gram. it actually thickened my hair out when i first started

 

[swole]

Fitnesscounts - my bad I mistook fina as finaplex not finastride.

Keep the test low and use EQ since deca has been said to counter finastride benefits.

Deca by itself however is actually good for your hair.

Try your best to get some aromasin. Run 25mg of aromasin EOD starting at week 4 with your HCG and you should be able to preserve your nut size and keep the boys primed for PCT.

 

[Fitnesscounts]

if you are running any test at all (which of course you should be) and are concerned about your hairline, use finasteride while on cycle. i do and it keeps my hair from falling out even when i bumped test up to a gram. it actually thickened my hair out when i first started

Thanks for the inside info bro, but just curious did you have any problems with Male Pattern Baldness before hand, or have you lost any hair during or after a cycle? A gram is a lot for someone predisposed to MPB, that would be too dodgy for me. But again thanks for the insider info i'll probably run the test equipose cycle.

 

[Fitnesscounts]

Fitnesscounts - my bad I mistook fina as finaplex not finastride.

Keep the test low and use EQ since deca has been said to counter finastride benefits.

Deca by itself however is actually good for your hair.

Try your best to get some aromasin. Run 25mg of aromasin EOD starting at week 4 with your HCG and you should be able to preserve your nut size and keep the boys primed for PCT.

Yo Swole,
good to know bro thanks for the tips. Don't know if i'll be able to score aromasin down here in Brazil but i'll give it a look and see. If not i'll find some other anti-aromatizer. You said start using the aromasin and HCG during week 4. Does that mean from week 4 untill the end of PCT i'll be doing HCG injections? How much per week should I be doing? Oh and by the way bro how did you get the italian flag icon at the bottom of your profile, your talking with a fellow paisan here.

 

[Fitnesscounts]

Just to keep everyone posted I decided I would give an update. I decided to change the testosterone with anavar. So instead now i'm going to do an anavar equipoise cycle. Anavar 50mg for 5 weeks and equipoise 400mg for 6 to 8 weeks depending on my dick lol. I know this could potentially murder the little guy for a while but temporary erection problems beat out permanent hairloss to me anyday. Plus i'm already 230 lbs with like 20% bodyfat so I want to cut down. I'm going on a clean diet and some extra cardio so we'll see where this cycle takes me. But this cycle is pretty hair safe since Anavar and Equipoise are safe as far as hairloss is concerned, well atleast as safe as possible. So i'll start as soon as my buddy gets the supplies which I was supposed to get today but now it's looking like later on this week. And i'll keep everyone posted with my progress.

 

[ConanX]

Yeah I'm gonna be starting Winny pretty soon too. I'm worried about the hairloss. I was originally going to do 6 weeks of it at the end of my Test/Eq cycle but I think I'll cut it down to 4 weeks. Hopefully I don't see any hair issues.

I used Anavar before and didn't see one side affect. Go for it bro, though low dose Test I still think would be a good idea.

 

[nateo1979]

Yeah I'm gonna be starting Winny pretty soon too. I'm worried about the hairloss. I was originally going to do 6 weeks of it at the end of my Test/Eq cycle but I think I'll cut it down to 4 weeks. Hopefully I don't see any hair issues.

I used Anavar before and didn't see one side affect. Go for it bro, though low dose Test I still think would be a good idea.

Keep us posted on hairloss

 

[Fitnesscounts]

Yeah I'm gonna be starting Winny pretty soon too. I'm worried about the hairloss. I was originally going to do 6 weeks of it at the end of my Test/Eq cycle but I think I'll cut it down to 4 weeks. Hopefully I don't see any hair issues.

I used Anavar before and didn't see one side affect. Go for it bro, though low dose Test I still think would be a good idea.

Yo Conanx,
good luck with the Winny bro, I think 4 weeks is short enough that you shouldn't have much problems but again keep us posted. Yea I was thinking I might through some Test-E in the mix at a low dose of something like 200mg a week. But i'm curious to see how a cycle with no test will effect me, others have been curious on several other posts as well. Maybe I should play lab rat.

 

[IAmTheWalrus]

I think the side-effects of Finasteride should be mentioned here.

I'm currently on 500mg of Test and 400mg of EQ. I stopped taking Finasteride after two weeks. My sex drive went down to almost zero while on this medication. Like I said.... 500mg of Test vs 1mg of Finasteride and no sex drive!! Of course, this lead me to question the lab I bought from... but that's for another thread. Some quick research on the sides and you will see that many men have had some SERIOUS libido and impotence issues from Finasteride.... even for months after discontinuing the drug.

Everyone is different. But it happened to me. So I think it's worth noting.

 

[ConanX]

Yo Conanx,
good luck with the Winny bro, I think 4 weeks is short enough that you shouldn't have much problems but again keep us posted. Yea I was thinking I might through some Test-E in the mix at a low dose of something like 200mg a week. But i'm curious to see how a cycle with no test will effect me, others have been curious on several other posts as well. Maybe I should play lab rat.

Thanks man, I'll keep everyone updated when I start.

Btw, I did an Anavar only cycle at 30mg e/d and didn't experience any side affects at all. Just got hard, strong, vascular, and gained a few lean lbs. But with Equipose, I'm not sure how you'll feel. Goodluck with it brother.

I already got some Var but I'm saving that for summertime. I want to try the Winny out and see how my body responds.

 

[Fitnesscounts]

I think the side-effects of Finasteride should be mentioned here.

I'm currently on 500mg of Test and 400mg of EQ. I stopped taking Finasteride after two weeks. My sex drive went down to almost zero while on this medication. Like I said.... 500mg of Test vs 1mg of Finasteride and no sex drive!! Of course, this lead me to question the lab I bought from... but that's for another thread. Some quick research on the sides and you will see that many men have had some SERIOUS libido and impotence issues from Finasteride.... even for months after discontinuing the drug.

Everyone is different. But it happened to me. So I think it's worth noting.

Yo Walrus,
So far i've been on finasteride for 3 weeks and I haven't noticed anything, my libido is as high as ever without any issues with impotence. I have read several forums about people posting the side effects of finasteride, usually related to impotence and sex drive but also some experienced gyno. There seems to be a divide between the medical tests and results and what is being posted on the forums. From what I gather there have been a substantial number of people that have had some effects on libido. I break them into 4 groups. The first group has no problems whatsoever, the second group has a few side effects relating to sex drive but it passes within a few months of continued use of finasteride, the third group has side effects that persist and stop taking finasteride in which the side effects go away in a week to a month, the fourth group has side effects that persist even after taking the drug for years even for the rest of their lives. Now that may be enough to scare a lot of guys away from finasteride but i'm skeptical and here is why. Firstly there were several studies done with over 500 men divided into two even groups. One group was given finasteride, the other was given placebo. Both had the same occurence of persisting side effects from use of finasteride. Yet the second group wasn't even taking finasteride and still 5% reported long lasting side effects of up to a year, the almost the same percentage of the first group that reported side effects. The other reason i'm not too worried is with all the medical studies done the drug was given a solid approval from the FDA, not an easy thing to do if people have permanent long lasting side effects. Most studies show that yes in a very small grouping of 2% of finasteride users there were some side effects that warranted them stopping the medication alltogether. I think many guys relate other problems causing impotence to finasteride when possibly there could be several other factors involved. And remember there are several other medications that are also related to side effects of impotence i.e. most anti-depressants. In the end if you are that 2% that doesn't respond well stay off the finasteride. Almost everyone who goes off is rid of the side effects in a relatively short period of time. I think the guys that claim permanent problems after taking finasteride are a bit paranoid and suffer from other mental issues. I've read some of the horror stories and many don't make sense. One guy said he took finasteride for 5 days and he was never the same ever since. 5 years later he says his LH levels were at 50% of what they were before hand. Well why did he take his LH levels before hand? Probably because he was already paranoid or had problems that warranted an endocronologist. Anyways I can't say for certain but I seriously doubt 5 days on finasteride will do that. And if so it didn't do it with me so I guess i'm one of the lucky ones. Anyways appreciate the warning Walrus, I'll definately keep anyone here posted if I have any irregularities.

 

[Fitnesscounts]

Thanks man, I'll keep everyone updated when I start.

Btw, I did an Anavar only cycle at 30mg e/d and didn't experience any side affects at all. Just got hard, strong, vascular, and gained a few lean lbs. But with Equipose, I'm not sure how you'll feel. Goodluck with it brother.

I already got some Var but I'm saving that for summertime. I want to try the Winny out and see how my body responds.

Yo ConanX,

Good to hear yet another case of relatively little to no sides on the Var. Well see how it mixes with the Equipoise. Have fun getting ripped to shreds on the Winny , my buddy just finished up a winny cycle and he definitely got cut up. Keep us posted.

 

[ConanX]

Yo ConanX,

Good to hear yet another case of relatively little to no sides on the Var. Well see how it mixes with the Equipoise. Have fun getting ripped to shreds on the Winny , my buddy just finished up a winny cycle and he definitely got cut up. Keep us posted.

Thanks brother, I'm pretty pumped to start the Winny. I've always desired that dry, cut up look. Looking foward to it. I'll keep you updated when I start it (beginning of April).

 

[Fitnesscounts]

Yo Walrus,
So far i've been on finasteride for 3 weeks and I haven't noticed anything, my libido is as high as ever without any issues with impotence. I have read several forums about people posting the side effects of finasteride, usually related to impotence and sex drive but also some experienced gyno. There seems to be a divide between the medical tests and results and what is being posted on the forums. From what I gather there have been a substantial number of people that have had some effects on libido. I break them into 4 groups. The first group has no problems whatsoever, the second group has a few side effects relating to sex drive but it passes within a few months of continued use of finasteride, the third group has side effects that persist and stop taking finasteride in which the side effects go away in a week to a month, the fourth group has side effects that persist even after taking the drug for years even for the rest of their lives. Now that may be enough to scare a lot of guys away from finasteride but i'm skeptical and here is why. Firstly there were several studies done with over 500 men divided into two even groups. One group was given finasteride, the other was given placebo. Both had the same occurence of persisting side effects from use of finasteride. Yet the second group wasn't even taking finasteride and still 5% reported long lasting side effects of up to a year, the almost the same percentage of the first group that reported side effects. The other reason i'm not too worried is with all the medical studies done the drug was given a solid approval from the FDA, not an easy thing to do if people have permanent long lasting side effects. Most studies show that yes in a very small grouping of 2% of finasteride users there were some side effects that warranted them stopping the medication alltogether. I think many guys relate other problems causing impotence to finasteride when possibly there could be several other factors involved. And remember there are several other medications that are also related to side effects of impotence i.e. most anti-depressants. In the end if you are that 2% that doesn't respond well stay off the finasteride. Almost everyone who goes off is rid of the side effects in a relatively short period of time. I think the guys that claim permanent problems after taking finasteride are a bit paranoid and suffer from other mental issues. I've read some of the horror stories and many don't make sense. One guy said he took finasteride for 5 days and he was never the same ever since. 5 years later he says his LH levels were at 50% of what they were before hand. Well why did he take his LH levels before hand? Probably because he was already paranoid or had problems that warranted an endocronologist. Anyways I can't say for certain but I seriously doubt 5 days on finasteride will do that. And if so it didn't do it with me so I guess i'm one of the lucky ones. Anyways appreciate the warning Walrus, I'll definately keep anyone here posted if I have any irregularities.

Update: I take that back

Guys I feel it's my duty to protect my fellow brethren reading my forums. I thought I had it all figured out with finasteride and assosciated all the horror stories from it's use to being a placebo effect. I did a lot of research and all published studies showed finasteride to be relatively mild on side effects between 2 to 4%. I thought I was going good with no sides untill a few days ago a noticed tingliness in my nipples and my dick didn't get up with my girl for the first time in 4 years. First off I never had onset of gyno in my prior cycle of steroids with high doses of test. Then I take this little pill for about a month and I start getting sensitive in my nipples and my dick goes limp. So I did a bit more research and it turns out that the pharmaceutical industry knows all about these serious side effects from finasteride, just that the money is too good for them to go and spoil it for all those loyal finasteride users. Here is a quote from William Wong ND, PhD "The reasons are many but the primary ones are that: that pill kills your sexual function, can cause mutations in any babies you may happen to make while on the pill if you get to keep your sexual function, does not address your making estrogen, does nothing to improve your testosterone level and in short does nothing to make you healthier or feel younger!". There are many other PhD's like Dr. Wong. And a host of personal experiences finasteride users that report of lost libidos, permanent HPTA supression, and worse permanent limp dick, read up for yourself at propeciahelp.com. The Physician’s Desk Reference (PDR) states that the side effects of finasteride,(Proscar/Propecia) occur in less than 2% of the users. Physicians who specialize in the treatment of hair loss typically tell a different story-that the reported side effects from their patients are more in the 30-40% range, now from personal experience I agree.

The “don’t confuse us with the facts” mainstream medical community stands by the “less than 2% incidence” reported in the PDR. Proscar has been on the market for 16 years, Propecia has been on the market for 10 years.
"Gynecomastia, (breast enlargement in men) almost inconspicuously appeared on the side effect lists a few years ago. We have been helping men resolve this emotionally and cosmetically taxing side effect long before it appeared in the PDR, and based on the voluminous feedback we’ve gotten, we’ve concluded that this a not too uncommon occurrence." this comes from
Update Propecia Side Effects.

Also check out Update Propecia and Depression

Walrus you were right homes that shit is bad. I've been off for 4 days now and already the dick is back, the tingliness went away, and I want to fuck every girl moving again . Well now i'm starting my cycle officially today, I was waiting for the finasteride to have more time to acclamate in my system before starting but fuck that no more finasteride for me. I'm using mild compounds anyway (go back to beggining of thread for those just tuning in).

 

[lilblitz]

i did a test e 300 mg p/w and eq 400 mg/pw with finasteride nothing happened to my hair, but i got some serious rocket nipples, (should have done nova) 3 years later hair is the same (age 27) and im planning another cycle, im very paranoid about hair because i look like a crack fiend without it, mums side not one baldy even to age 80 full thick hair, dads side all bald, and i do have hair like my mothers side but u never know, im thinking if i make it to 30 ill keep it, but now i have the itch for another cycle, some times u just have to think fuck it and see what happens, if it falls out it was going to fall out anyway, it may deprive u of 5 years of extra pussy mind you, and at 5'9 and bald head not suiting me thats a serious risk, damn shit, fuck it im buying a toupe!!!

 

[FitLock]

Fitnesscounts,
Good text, good info. I agree with you that one cannot find a definite answer for the steroid baldness issue. One can go to EQ and Primo, and have a libido shut down, not very sexy..Or put some test and fight with finasteride. I am currently in that research now, but not finding clear info. What I can say looks true is that Oxandrolone (Anavar) is said to be quite safe, to the hair and overall health. It is not a bulking agent. I will do a test cycle, mild, with finasteride, maybe some primo, and let you know how the hair reacts. Did winstrol and almost got bald. I am also from Brazil, tougher to find some stuff.
Good luck

 

[vladito]

hey bro. i took oral turinabol for 1 month cycle (1st time so i was kinda scared). after about 3 months i started noticing hair loss. my hairs were falling out very easily. im still experiencing it (6 months since the cycle). so you just took minoxidil 5% and it stopped the hair loss? iv read that the hair loss pills have a possible side effect of impotence so that immediately ruled them out. so ur hair loss stopped with minoxidil 5%? how long did you use it for? its a liquid that you just put on your scalp right? how many times a day and how long would you keep it in before washing it out? thanks a lot.

 

[vladito]

also, have you learned about or done the best cycle for no hair loss? any suggestions? im in the same boat, thinking of doing another cycle and a real legit one but am terrified of the hair loss aspect. if you got any suggestions or tips let me know. thanks a lot

 

[JINX2898]

whats up fellas? im 48 and have MPB....This is cycle i did and was very happy with it thanks to NELSON MONTANA. forget the propecia! i did it at beginning of cycle and will never do it again...didnt work for me...my junk didnt get up as usual for about a week! didnt work for me!!
10wk CYCLE- sust 250 2x wk. aromasin 1/2 tab EOD, N2 guard, Hcgenerate. PCT = aromasin, post cycle, unleashed and continued with hcgenerate. Then Bridge.
Hair= rogaine foam ED, shampoo nioxin and Nizoral 2%!! not 1%... Not a single hair loss during cycle and pct...getting ready to try Sarms thanks to GREAT ADVICE from RICKROCK AND IGOMAD.

GOTTA ASK QUESTIONS AND TAKE THE GREAT ADVICE THAT THESE VETERANS GIVE!!! IT WORKS!!!

 

[oxymoron]

fitness counts, I've got MPB and I pretty much run test/var cycles now only with an occassional low dose tren/test cyle here and there. I steer clear of nandrolone always for the reasons you mentioned.
I have been taking proscar split 4 to 5 ways. A very low dose of finasteride goes a long way for hair loss prevention. There are people out there that can use 0.5mg and stop the hairloss and see no sides. You should experiment with low doses like half a propecia.
I myself will not ever stop the finasteride for the rest of my life (unless something better comes along). I stopped once for a couple weeks and the top of my head thinned dramatically.
My suggestion is stick test prop and something safe like var if you're going to stack. Prop will clear your system quick if you start seeing problems. Use a very low dose of finasteride along w/ Niz, rogaine, tgel, etc. HOpe the helps.

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

If you want to preserve your hair, stay away from testosterone and all other androgenic steroids. The safest choice is nandrolone and oxandrolone.

I have been on minoxidil for more than 15 years and it seems that steroids don't affect my hair at all. Yet I am a bit paranoid and I don't want to risk it. I successfully "survived" two cycles on stanozolol, but it was not just the most pleasant experience. Contrary to some urban legends, stanozolol is quite androgenic and I got big red cysts on my face after it. Since that time I have done only 4 oxandrolone cycles. Oxandrolone is fine, it is a ludicrously mild steroid that shouldn't affect anybody. I plan to use nandrolone with a small amount of boldenone in summer.

 

[eddymerckx]

I have decided the best way to avoid hairloss to look for new parents--it's too hard to beat genetics--even with avodart.

 

[vladito]

ya man all those pills for hair loss have impotence as a side effect. the only thing i have read that doesnt affect your package or sex drive is minoxidil. you know of anything else?

 

[oxymoron]

as you know, a lot of this is what works with your body. my old boss used has MPB but he used Nioxin and everything is fixed as it has some topical DHT blocking. I'm not sure if you mentioned you tried but those Nixoin combo kits... shampoo, cond, treatment have a little basket that you stick in your drain. You check that thing every week or so and you'll see how your treatment is working.

 

[Fitguy308]

If it happens it was going to happen anyway at some point and there's not much that will change it I'd rather be bald and jacked than bald and fat I'm only 23 and starting to loose it so I'm just gunna shave it off before a cycle