Equipose + Dianabol - First Cycle

[firstslovak]

HI all,

Since it was my first cycle I researched two compounds not to bee too aggressive.
Age 39, weight 200 BF 20percent
6 feet

Equipose is a slow but Quality muscle builder and Dianabol was used to give the kickstart in the first 5 weeks.

I am at week 5 and next week I plan to suspend the Dianabol.
Since I like the Equipose, what You would add to it?

I am looking to take good quality mass and not insane water retention.
Would you continue with Equipose or switch to DECADurabolin?
The only reason why I have not chosen DECA is because it shut down too much the TEST production so I have chosen EQ.
I already have Tamoxy and Clomid just in case of gyno or to be used as PCT
How would you continue the next weeks?
Thanks for who want to help.

week 1: EQ 250 Wk DIA 15 mg. day
week 2: EQ 250 Wk DIA 20 mg. day
week 3: EQ 375 Wk DIA 20 mg. day
week 4: EQ 400 Wk DIA 30 mg. day
week 5: EQ 400 Wk DIA 30 mg. day
week 6:
week 7:
week 8:
week 9:
week 10:
week 11:
week 12:

 

[needtogetaas]

no

 

[firstslovak]

Sorry but... no what?
Something is wrong??

 

[doublebicep]

Tappering is out-dated. Where did you get your information? You ask, "how to continue the next few weeks" but I don't think you are going to get a answer around here. Why? Because I don't know anyone who would start the 1st 5 weeks the way you are proposing.

That is just a start. There are many other issues...I think you should work out, eat clean and read to learn some of the science behind steroids and modern day usage for now.

 

[hog#head#cheese]

Did i miss something where is the test?

 

[ALIN]

HI all,

Since it was my first cycle I researched two compounds not to bee too aggressive.
Age 39, weight 200 BF 20percent
6 feet

Equipose is a slow but Quality muscle builder and Dianabol was used to give the kickstart in the first 5 weeks.

I am at week 5 and next week I plan to suspend the Dianabol.
Since I like the Equipose, what You would add to it?

I am looking to take good quality mass and not insane water retention.
Would you continue with Equipose or switch to DECADurabolin?
The only reason why I have not chosen DECA is because it shut down too much the TEST production so I have chosen EQ.
I already have Tamoxy and Clomid just in case of gyno or to be used as PCT
How would you continue the next weeks?
Thanks for who want to help.

week 1: EQ 250 Wk DIA 15 mg. day
week 2: EQ 250 Wk DIA 20 mg. day
week 3: EQ 375 Wk DIA 20 mg. day
week 4: EQ 400 Wk DIA 30 mg. day
week 5: EQ 400 Wk DIA 30 mg. day
week 6:
week 7:
week 8:
week 9:
week 10:
week 11:
week 12:

I wouldnt run the EQ and DBOL without some additional testosterone.
your gains will be far better

 

[goku_kakarot77]

u need to do some research bro, tapering is old school and ur cycle needs test

 

[firstslovak]

I wouldnt run the EQ and DBOL without some additional testosterone.
your gains will be far better

I am actually running
EQ + DBOL without TESTOSTERONE.

But I dont want to run more than 5 weeks of DBOL.

So what would be wise to add once suspended the DBOL at the 5th week?

I like Equipose.
The gains are slow but..... almost not side effetcts (to date).
No gyno, no acne, no hairloss etc etc

I am trying NOT to add TEST (if possible) because I am concerned about the androgenic side effects.

Of course I am here to LEARN and listen from who have more experience.

I have to abdmit that EQ+DBOL was a GOOD choice.
VERY happy with it.
The "problem" is that it is not wise to run DBOL more than 4 or 5 weeks.
So I am looking forward to "hints".

I would continue with "Equipose" that I consider far better than DECA-D (my opinion).

To anyone asking "where is TEST".
Is test so necessary?
I remeber times when people run cycles of DECA alone and where happy.
Why it is so important to add TEST?
Thanks to anyone.

 

[dabuffguy]

I'll tell you why you shouldn't.

Chemically, dianabol and EQ are identical except for the fact that dianabol has been made orally active by adding a methylation to the chemical structure.


It would almost be like stacking test E and Test C and thinking you are gonna get something addtional out of stacking them.

If you are going with injections anyways, just run Test E 1ml (250mg) every 5 days. You'll make plenty of gains. If you want to kick start it, use dianabol or monsterdrol(methylmasteron) for the first 4 weeks.



Trust me and the others here. There is no better first cycle than using testosterone. EQ isn't even designed for humans, and testosterone is a natural human hormone. Logically, you want to use Tesosterone instead of EQ for that simple fact.

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

u shouldve stacked test with that cycle and researched way more. the eq wont peak until week 6 or 7 so you should run it at least 12 weeks.
even though everyone said tappering is outdated i knw a lot of national competitors from another board that just drop there dosages and tapper them out for PCT. they have no problems and dont spend near as much money on clomid, novla...
i think they do some HCG during cycle but thats all

 

[dabuffguy]

I am actually running
EQ + DBOL without TESTOSTERONE.

But I dont want to run more than 5 weeks of DBOL.

So what would be wise to add once suspended the DBOL at the 5th week?

I like Equipose.
The gains are slow but..... almost not side effetcts (to date).
No gyno, no acne, no hairloss etc etc

I am trying NOT to add TEST (if possible) because I am concerned about the androgenic side effects.

Of course I am here to LEARN and listen from who have more experience.

I have to abdmit that EQ+DBOL was a GOOD choice.
VERY happy with it.
The "problem" is that it is not wise to run DBOL more than 4 or 5 weeks.
So I am looking forward to "hints".

I would continue with "Equipose" that I consider far better than DECA-D (my opinion).

To anyone asking "where is TEST".
Is test so necessary?
I remeber times when people run cycles of DECA alone and where happy.
Why it is so important to add TEST?
Thanks to anyone.

There's no problem running dbol for 6 weeks.

If you are worried about androgenic side effects, then why are you taking dbol? Dbol gives worse sides than test.

Your body needs testosterone to function properly, plain and simple. It is necessary.

 

[smtimelevi]

I'll tell you why you shouldn't.

Chemically, dianabol and EQ are identical except for the fact that dianabol has been made orally active by adding a methylation to the chemical structure.


It would almost be like stacking test E and Test C and thinking you are gonna get something addtional out of stacking them.

If you are going with injections anyways, just run Test E 1ml (250mg) every 5 days. You'll make plenty of gains. If you want to kick start it, use dianabol or monsterdrol(methylmasteron) for the first 4 weeks.



Trust me and the others here. There is no better first cycle than using testosterone. EQ isn't even designed for humans, and testosterone is a natural human hormone. Logically, you want to use Tesosterone instead of EQ for that simple fact.

True true, but we all know how vastly different the two are. Well.... maybe the poster doesn't.


Its way too late to add Deca and deca+EQ= no bueno. Gotta put some test in that cycle. Due to the poor planning of your cycle I would throw some test prop in there, and run that until about 2 weeks after your last EQ shot.

 

[dabuffguy]

True true, but we all know how vastly different the two are. Well.... maybe the poster doesn't.


Its way too late to add Deca and deca+EQ= no bueno. Gotta put some test in that cycle. Due to the poor planning of your cycle I would throw some test prop in there, and run that until about 2 weeks after your last EQ shot.

The actual effect of the drug on muscle tissue is probably equal once the drug binds to the AR and becomes active. I don't know if this is true, but it seems that it make sense. Just me thinking aloud.

 

[Unit 2005]

Test would give you better gains but there is no reason why you cannot see big gains in strength and size from this cycle. I know a few people who have used this cycle and were happy. Make sure your diets spot on and Get the EQ up to 400-500mg per week, you will need some HCG as part of your post cycle too. Good luck.

 

[firstslovak]

I'll tell you why you shouldn't.

Chemically, dianabol and EQ are identical except for the fact that dianabol has been made orally active by adding a methylation to the chemical structure.


It would almost be like stacking test E and Test C and thinking you are gonna get something addtional out of stacking them.

If you are going with injections anyways, just run Test E 1ml (250mg) every 5 days. You'll make plenty of gains. If you want to kick start it, use dianabol or monsterdrol(methylmasteron) for the first 4 weeks.



Trust me and the others here. There is no better first cycle than using testosterone. EQ isn't even designed for humans, and testosterone is a natural human hormone. Logically, you want to use Tesosterone instead of EQ for that simple fact.

OK!
First of all.....
...THANKS for answering.

I have done plenty of research and BOLDENONE was advised everywhere as the best choice.
I just added some DBOL in the first 4 weeks because the EQ is VERY slow to kickstart but once go it GO

I want to run EQ for 3 months to give the time to this good product to do HIS job.

I just wanted to add a second sustance to "adjust" or "balance" the effect of the body.

I already have Clomid and Tamoxhy.

1. Would be wise to add Clomid after 5 weeks of cycles TO THE CYCLE,
to protect from the effects of the estrogens that my body is surely starting to produce?

2.which is the "best"
testosterone to add to Boldenone?

3.I would add this "test" not to add EXTRA anabolic power but mostly to balance the internal testosterone production that has surely already shut down (even if to date I have not symptoms, testicles are not shrink, and horny as always)
WHAT WOULD BE THE correct dosage?

Thanks Again for helping

 

[firstslovak]

I'll tell you why you shouldn't.

Chemically, dianabol and EQ are identical except for the fact that dianabol has been made orally active by adding a methylation to the chemical structure.

I have added it because BOLDENONE is VERY slow to kickstart.
So the DBOL given the initial kick to the cycle.
And discontinued it after 5 weeks when the BOLDENONE stated to do his job.
Even if identical should not be bad (I think)

It would almost be like stacking test E and Test C and thinking you are gonna get something addtional out of stacking them.

Not additional but "Earlier".

If you are going with injections anyways, just run Test E 1ml (250mg) every 5 days. You'll make plenty of gains. If you want to kick start it, use dianabol or monsterdrol(methylmasteron) for the first 4 weeks.

Can be Good to add TEST E now after 5 weeks and discontinuing DBOL?

Trust me and the others here. There is no better first cycle than using testosterone. EQ isn't even designed for humans, and testosterone is a natural human hormone. Logically, you want to use Tesosterone instead of EQ for that simple fact.[/QUOTE]

THANKS

 

[firstslovak]

u shouldve stacked test with that cycle and researched way more. the eq wont peak until week 6 or 7 so you should run it at least 12 weeks.
even though everyone said tappering is outdated i knw a lot of national competitors from another board that just drop there dosages and tapper them out for PCT. they have no problems and dont spend near as much money on clomid, novla...
i think they do some HCG during cycle but thats all

I will run BOLD for 12 weeks so....
thanks for putting your time in giving advice to me.

 

[firstslovak]

True true, but we all know how vastly different the two are. Well.... maybe the poster doesn't.


Its way too late to add Deca and deca+EQ= no bueno. Gotta put some test in that cycle. Due to the poor planning of your cycle I would throw some test prop in there, and run that until about 2 weeks after your last EQ shot.

The cycle was not POOR planned.
I would to run EQ alone.
And THAT would be ENOUGH to me.
I just added some DBOL to the first 4 weeks just to kickstart it.
To me dont seem I have done something "disastrous".

So TEST E or TEST PROP as someone else advise ?

 

[firstslovak]

Test would give you better gains but there is no reason why you cannot see big gains in strength and size from this cycle. I know a few people who have used this cycle and were happy. Make sure your diets spot on and Get the EQ up to 400-500mg per week, you will need some HCG as part of your post cycle too. Good luck.

Sure,
I have it at hand
5000 I.U. a week starting one week prior quitting the cycle?
Does it make sense?

 

[cobracock1979]

test e - cab inj twice a week with the EQ. Run the HCG twice a week at 250ui from week 3 upto pct.

 

[dabuffguy]

I have added it because BOLDENONE is VERY slow to kickstart.
So the DBOL given the initial kick to the cycle.
And discontinued it after 5 weeks when the BOLDENONE stated to do his job.
Even if identical should not be bad (I think)


Not additional but "Earlier".


Can be Good to add TEST E now after 5 weeks and discontinuing DBOL?

Trust me and the others here. There is no better first cycle than using testosterone. EQ isn't even designed for humans, and testosterone is a natural human hormone. Logically, you want to use Tesosterone instead of EQ for that simple fact.

THANKS[/QUOTE]

I don't know who this "everyone" is that suggested you run EQ by itself. Oh well, it's already done now.

But, yes it would be a very good idea to run Test E the rest of the cycle.

Since you are on 400mg EQ, keep that dose, and just add test E @ 250mg weekly to it.

Run the EQ for the 12 weeks, but run the Testosterone to 14 weeks. With a long acting ester that EQ carries, you want to run the testosterone past the EQ.

 

[firstslovak]

I don't know who this "everyone" is that suggested you run EQ by itself. Oh well, it's already done now.

But, yes it would be a very good idea to run Test E the rest of the cycle.

Since you are on 400mg EQ, keep that dose, and just add test E @ 250mg weekly to it.

Run the EQ for the 12 weeks, but run the Testosterone to 14 weeks. With a long acting ester that EQ carries, you want to run the testosterone past the EQ.

Was myself,
since this was my first serious cycle,
I prefer safe than sorry.
So I tried with one of the most "gentle" products... Boldenone.
In fact it is doing Well.
I think there is alway time to try more aggressive Stacks.
Test E will do great and I saw it is better than Cypionate.

I took some serious increase of mass (for my parameters).
Sense of wellness
just some letargy since I added DBOL.
Got about 10 kilos in 5 weeks,
of course also fat (especially on lover abs and tight are)

I eat around every 2 hours / 2 hours half

Tuna, breast chicken, and lean red meat are the base.

I also vary with Salmon (good source of omega 3).

I would not get too much fat but....
... one of my friends says that it is hard if not gifted by a special genertic to get mass without getting also some fat because the calories intake have to be high.

I am definitevly an ENDOMORPH,
so I always fought against to be "lean".

I am 6 feet and about 200 lbs now.
I train 6 times a week
and every muscular group ONCE a week but INTENSE.
I keep the kalories about 4000 a day.
IS it enough??
Thanks to anyone for helping.

 

[Unit 2005]

HCg at 5000iu shots would prob give you worse estrogenic sides that the gear, id go for 500iu shots 3 times a week 3 weeks after comming off, then twice a week following along with nolva or clomid (and continue either for 2 weeks after hcg)

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

at 6ft 200lbs. you def need to bump your cals up and eat. the gear cant build the muscle if it has nothing to build with...
EFAs, red meat, quality protein, slow GI carbs

 

[ryno9000]

The cycle was not POOR planned.
I would to run EQ alone.
And THAT would be ENOUGH to me.

No offense, but it WAS poorly planned. That's why you are here now. I'm not going to tell you all of the things that you should have done, because that does nobody any good. If you can, add 100mg Test P every other day for the rest of your cycle.
-Do NOT run Clomid on cycle.
-Androgen sides from Test are not even in the same ballpark as andro sides from dbol (in moderate doses of each).
-Who are these "experts" that told you to run EQ for 12 weeks alone? They sound like idiot ass clowns, and if they were right you wouldn't be here.
-Sit back, be open to advice and listen.

 

[firstslovak]

No offense, but it WAS poorly planned. That's why you are here now. I'm not going to tell you all of the things that you should have done, because that does nobody any good. If you can, add 100mg Test P every other day for the rest of your cycle.
-Do NOT run Clomid on cycle.
-Androgen sides from Test are not even in the same ballpark as andro sides from dbol (in moderate doses of each).
-Who are these "experts" that told you to run EQ for 12 weeks alone? They sound like idiot ass clowns, and if they were right you wouldn't be here.
-Sit back, be open to advice and listen.

Thanks for answering.

Why EQ alone is so "bad"?
I am also here to learn.

-Androgen sides from Test are not even in the same ballpark as andro sides from dbol (in moderate doses of each).

Could you better explain this?
DBOL have more sides than TEST?

 

[firstslovak]

at 6ft 200lbs. you def need to bump your cals up and eat. the gear cant build the muscle if it has nothing to build with...
EFAs, red meat, quality protein, slow GI carbs

My goal is NOT the "monster" Coleman but a well build body.

I come from a lost of weight from 125 kg. to 80 kg.
Most was fat but also vaporized muscles (8 months diet)

I did BB when I was 16 to 20 yo.

Reached a good result.... for a natural.

I believe in "muscle memory".

Even if I am in the 40s seems like they respond well to the cycle.

Bump up calories to how much???

I think 4000-4500 are enough.
What do you think?

 

[smtimelevi]

Sure,
I have it at hand
5000 I.U. a week starting one week prior quitting the cycle?
Does it make sense?

reason why i say is poor is because you plan on running EQ for 3 months alone. You Never said anything about HCG. EQ will shut you down, but dont take my word for it. Trial and error is always a good strategy.

 

[firstslovak]

reason why i say is poor is because you plan on running EQ for 3 months alone. You Never said anything about HCG. EQ will shut you down, but dont take my word for it. Trial and error is always a good strategy.

Sure,
PCT and recovery is already planned.
Anyway EQuipose is one of the BEST AAS,
and surely is less suppressive than DECA-D.
At the moment (5th week)
there are no signals of sides of excessive suppression.

I am going to switch from D-BOL to TEST E.
250 mg. Every 6 days.
and keep EQ to 400 as much as I can.
Gains are starting to be impressive,
also the strenght.

 

[firstslovak]

reason why i say is poor is because you plan on running EQ for 3 months alone. You Never said anything about HCG. EQ will shut you down, but dont take my word for it. Trial and error is always a good strategy.

So how do you advise to use HGC?

 

[firstslovak]

Added TEST ENANTHATE to the cycle and it sound like music.

Now I do:

300 mg. EQUIPOSE + 250 mg. TEST E. every 5 days.

Seem to work fine and EQ is EXCELLENT,
much better than DECA.

 

[smtimelevi]

Check out the pct stick at the top of the page. I reccomend using HCG during your cycle to prevent shutdown.

 

[firstslovak]

Check out the pct stick at the top of the page. I reccomend using HCG during your cycle to prevent shutdown.

Also During???
In which doses?

 

[dabuffguy]

Also During???
In which doses?

250iu once a week.