100 mg winstrol per day after 1 gram test cycle

[rohanum]

This is my second cycle .. The first one was a test only cycle @ 700 mgs per week for 10 weeks. Gains were pretty good , I gained around 30 lbs and kept all of it. Now I'm about to go on a Srs bulking phase and do a gram of test for 12 weeks.
After the 12 weeks I'm going to straight away begin with the cutting phase without any break. The cutting phase will last 6 weeks.

I'm going to drop the testosterone completely for the cutting phase or I might inject 250 mgs twice a month

The cutting phase will consist of winstrol only @100 mgs per day and I might use some albuterol.

Questions

1) is winstrol only enough to preserve the hard earned muscle gained from the 12 week cycle prior to the cutting phase?

2) how dry and hard can winstrol alone make me?

3) how far can I go with the deficit on winstrol alone? I normally do a 500 cal deficit off cycle and I find this to be ideal for preserving muscle mass and loosing fat at a steady rate. Can I go as far as 1000 cal deficit or 1200 cal deficit on winny?

4) I'm aware this can fuck up my blood lipids . Is this duration alright or do I have to decrease it?

Any suggestions?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Those are all very subjective questions.

 

[Mr. Chicago]

Haha oh Nelson aren't everyone's questions on here subjective? They want to hear oh yeah sure you're good to go and if they don't they're going to do what they want anyway. So let me get this straight you gained 30 lbs. and kept it all? So basically you just blew up like a balloon and stayed that way, that's cool I'm not judging just saying you must have been pretty small before. 700 for a 1st cycle was pretty high but a gram for your second is just ridiculous, but if 700 is good then 1,000 must be better right. 100mg of winny is also overkill. How old are you? Stats? What's your PCT?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, questions like "how hard will winstrol make me?" What kind of a question is that? What's the gauge? Is there a percentage?

 

[Mr. Chicago]

Yeah I wanted to say something about that one myself but I figured I would hold back on the poor kid. I think he's looking for a, "on a scale of 1 - 10" haha another poor soul that thinks the drugs will do all the work.

 

[rohanum]

Haha oh Nelson aren't everyone's questions on here subjective? They want to hear oh yeah sure you're good to go and if they don't they're going to do what they want anyway. So let me get this straight you gained 30 lbs. and kept it all? So basically you just blew up like a balloon and stayed that way, that's cool I'm not judging just saying you must have been pretty small before. 700 for a 1st cycle was pretty high but a gram for your second is just ridiculous, but if 700 is good then 1,000 must be better right. 100mg of winny is also overkill. How old are you? Stats? What's your PCT?

I am 27 years old, 5'11, 215 lbs 13 % bf. Yes , I did gain that much and I retained all of it because I basically never come off , I'm on trt. Well I don't have a huge variety of gear available to me.. I only have tren , test , winstrol available atm. I would do deca and test if I could but I can't so I'm using extra test to compensate for the deca..

What dose of winny would you suggest then?

 

[rohanum]

Well, questions like "how hard will winstrol make me?" What kind of a question is that? What's the gauge? Is there a percentage?

My bad.. When Compared to other steroids .

 

[rohanum]

Yeah I wanted to say something about that one myself but I figured I would hold back on the poor kid. I think he's looking for a, "on a scale of 1 - 10" haha another poor soul that thinks the drugs will do all the work.

I understand how important diet is . The way your physique looks (in terms of water retention) is dependent on your sodium , carb intake etc. I know all this shit.. But what I meant was all steroids have different traits. Some make you hold more water than the others , some increase more rbcs than the others etc etc..

my bad , I should have elaborated . I meant how does it compare to other steroids that fit in the same class and have no estrogenic conversions like tren , masteron , halo etc

 

[Race121]

That's a pretty big dose of Winstrol. I'd have to cut my arms off at my elbows after 3 weeks of that dose. Not that a gram of Test is small. You're a grown man and will do what you want but, IMO, you're doing a lot more than you need to.

As for hardness, I find Tren makes me a tad bit harder at the 12-14% range and I have to be around the 10% range with Winstrol. And I could be full of shit but it SEEMS that way to me.

 

[rohanum]

That's a pretty big dose of Winstrol. I'd have to cut my arms off at my elbows after 3 weeks of that dose. Not that a gram of Test is small. You're a grown man and will do what you want but, IMO, you're doing a lot more than you need to.

As for hardness, I find Tren makes me a tad bit harder at the 12-14% range and I have to be around the 10% range with Winstrol. And I could be full of shit but it SEEMS that way to me.

Will 75 mgs per week on winstrol suffice then? Also I need a dose that will help me keep almost all the muscle I gain after the 12 week cycle of a gram of test even when I'm on a 1000 cal deficit. I don't wanna use tren because this is my second cycle and Id like to use other steroids first to see how they compare Also ugl trenbolone is 4 times costlier than pharma grade testosterone which seems a bit ridiculous to me. Thanks for the reply mate, finally a good answer.

 

[smalljohn]

This whole game is pricy, you dont do steriods on a butchet(um, was right spelling) ofc, do what you want, everyone does, but trenbolone is much more effective per ml than testosterone. Here in norway its the double of a test vial. My supplier aint that expensive.

 

[MaxxReps]

Why drop the test? test is cheap and easier on the body than orals. I'd drop the test to 500mg for another 12 weeks and cut. I cut on 1200 calorie deficit while on 500mg of test with no muscle loss.

 

[rohanum]

This whole game is pricy, you dont do steriods on a butchet(um, was right spelling) ofc, do what you want, everyone does, but trenbolone is much more effective per ml than testosterone. Here in norway its the double of a test vial. My supplier aint that expensive.

You are very lucky. I know it is far more effective than test

 

[rohanum]

Why drop the test? test is cheap and easier on the body than orals. I'd drop the test to 500mg for another 12 weeks and cut. I cut on 1200 calorie deficit while on 500mg of test with no muscle loss.

Because of the bloating issues. Testosterone is cheap as dirt for me , if I could I would definitely use it . I know bloat can be managed through diet and anti estrogens.. All foods have sodium in it And test makes me bloat somewhat regardless of my sodium intake so i can't possibly get as hard as possible on test ...anti estrogens might solve this problem but anti es plus testosterone is really costly compared to just winstrol so why waste money. If I can get the job done without having to worry too much about estrogen an water retention?

 

[RickRock13]

I think you are confusing bloat with just being too fat. If you run the right diet and control your estrogen, a reasonable test dose will not cause bloat. Anybody that's been super lean in stage condition or near it can tell you that. I ran 350mg per week all the way up to my show.

100mg of Winstrol and a gram of test is reckless and blatent abuse. You say you just want to hold onto your muscle but you are running twice as much dose as I've ever ran. Run a sensible dose with the right diet and training. That's all you need. No need AT ALL to go over 50mg of Winstrol. That will get you as hard as nails if you get your body fat there. If you are still too fat, you are too fat. A higher Winstrol dose won't change that

 

[rohanum]

I think you are confusing bloat with just being too fat. If you run the right diet and control your estrogen, a reasonable test dose will not cause bloat. Anybody that's been super lean in stage condition or near it can tell you that. I ran 350mg per week all the way up to my show.

100mg of Winstrol and a gram of test is reckless and blatent abuse. You say you just want to hold onto your muscle but you are running twice as much dose as I've ever ran. Run a sensible dose with the right diet and training. That's all you need. No need AT ALL to go over 50mg of Winstrol. That will get you as hard as nails if you get your body fat there. If you are still too fat, you are too fat. A higher Winstrol dose won't change that

I am 13% bodyfat at the moment and I can distinguish between bloat and fat because I have taken diuretics at one point. I think you didn't read what I said earlier I know it can be controlled with anti estrogens but it's far more costly for me than just winstrol alone.. I used 700 mg test on my first cycle and tolerated that pretty well ,gained 30 lbs and kept all of it. I wasn't small to begin with either, I was pretty big and lean . I would use other injectables like deca with test on my second cycle but I dont have a huge variety of gear available to me hence I opted to replace the deca with more test instead.

About the winstrol , that is why I made this thread . I do not know how much winstrol I will need to preserve the muscle I gain from the gram of test.
Suggestion for The dosage , duration etc will be greatly appreciated .

Looking great by the way if that is you in your display picture . My goal is to somewhat look like you but much bigger.

 

[Race121]

If you're dead set on Winstrol, 50 ED is basically the standard and should be plenty. I've gone as long as six weeks on that dose and anything beyond that is pissing in the wind risk/reward wise. My wrists and elbows start nagging after 4 weeks.

You are using a lot more test than you need to. Trying to rationalize that away doesn't make it less true.

 

[Jack steel]

50mg winny a day is plenty. You guys with the obscenely large doses of gear drive me insane no offense. Should use less and send me the extra lol. Personally, with access to test, tren, and winstrol only I wouldn't need anything else. You kind of have one tool there for any goal you could possibly have.

 

[Jack steel]

Why drop the test? test is cheap and easier on the body than orals. I'd drop the test to 500mg for another 12 weeks and cut. I cut on 1200 calorie deficit while on 500mg of test with no muscle loss.

Second thought... I'd do this but with test even closer to 250mg a week with 50mg winny on top. If you fucking seriosuly have to go over 50mg then just top it out at 75mg dude. It's not necessary but Jesus what a waste. I just hate to see people do that without being worth the risk (liver)

 

[rohanum]

If you're dead set on Winstrol, 50 ED is basically the standard and should be plenty. I've gone as long as six weeks on that dose and anything beyond that is pissing in the wind risk/reward wise. My wrists and elbows start nagging after 4 weeks.

You are using a lot more test than you need to. Trying to rationalize that away doesn't make it less true.

300 mg more test isn't a big leap? I want my cycles to progress somewhat.. As I said before id use deca 400 mg deca +500 mg test but I don't have acess to it.
All the reviews I get on winstrol are fking shit.. Would a lower dose of tren at 300 mgs per week be better?

 

[rohanum]

Second thought... I'd do this but with test even closer to 250mg a week with 50mg winny on top. If you fucking seriosuly have to go over 50mg then just top it out at 75mg dude. It's not necessary but Jesus what a waste. I just hate to see people do that without being worth the risk (liver)

I'm seriously not running testosterone at anything above 100 mgs per week on my cut. Testosterone causes me to bloat nice on 250 mgs .. Even if I go on a really low sodium diet id be holding more water in comparison to that I would hold on stuff like winstrol and tren . I'm not using it unless this combo has some dieuretic effect and can completely negate the water retention caused by test.

 

[Jack steel]

Dude anyone saying winny is shit is fcking tard for the record. What's your goal again?? If you're cutting then just stick with the winny. No wise user will very recommend tren as a first cycle. Also YOU CAN MAKE PROGRESS WITHOUT UPPING DOSES. Increasing your cycle doses just because your further along in experience makes no sense.

 

[Jack steel]

Either one will give you a dryer look

 

[rdunski93]

I have heard of people doing a winstrol only cycle and have had really good results. I also know people who have lost a lot of weight of winstrol. Everyone is different. In my opinion the people that say to run test with it are just the ones that think everything should be ran with test. I say try the winstrol only and see for yourself. One cycle of it won't kill you.