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The absolute Best PCT of 2016, time to break out the whip

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we all know what running hormones does to your HPTA. your LH, FSH both tank and your T levels jump from the extra hormones.. unfortunately as the hormones are leaving your system after cycle you have a period of time where all 3 main hormones are suppressed, this is why YOU must run a pct or risk losing your gains, motivation, and sex drive

hcg suppresses your LH and FSH and boosts T levels because it mimics LH. once you stop taking it your LH and FSH needs to recover and your T levels come crashing down.. so you never want to run hcg during pct, you want to run it to kickstart pct.

clomid and nolva will boost your LH, FSH, and T levels while they are in your system. once they are out of your system then you lose that manipulation and your LH, FSH and T levels come crashing back down even lower than before. so essentially it is a bridge into PCT to give you a temporary bounce but after that it is useless. so don't even just run them alone for pct and expect to truly recovery.

so from that lets deduce the absolute BEST way to run a PCT

while the nolva/clomid's are tapering away now its time to break out the whip and add in your non suppressive and natural T boosters. a great PCT supplement is T stack Rx. its pricey but it has 12 of the best T boosting ingredients out there
so to summarize this is what you do if you want to break out the whip, notice how I overlap things on purpose below.

start this protocol the day of your last injection

clomid 12.5mg everyday or every other day weeks 3-6 (ag-guys.com)
T stack RX weeks 4-12 1-3 caps per day (whichever one has the better deal go with)

now if you ran a cycle under 12 weeks and didn't run any nandrolones you need not bother with the above layout. this is how I would run my post cycle

T stack Rx 1 cap per day weeks 1-4 then increase to 3 caps per day weeks 4-10. start it a week after your last injection.



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Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

If i run 8 weeks cycle should i do 250iu's Hcg x3 a week in the last 3-4 weeks of the cycle then i start PCT is that right ?
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

If i run 8 weeks cycle should i do 250iu's Hcg x3 a week in the last 3-4 weeks of the cycle then i start PCT is that right ?

yes but with that short of a pct I wouldn't even bother with hcg or nolva/clomid.. just run T stack or phyto-serms..

now if you run a cycle longer than 14 weeks then I would 'break out the whip'
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

Steve,

Looking at the 'break out the whip' PCT again. If one were to include a AI like Aromasin in this protocol, in which phase would you run it to avoid estrogen rebound? and when would you cease running it ?

Much appreciated.

Lui
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

Steve,

Looking at the 'break out the whip' PCT again. If one were to include a AI like Aromasin in this protocol, in which phase would you run it to avoid estrogen rebound? and when would you cease running it ?

Much appreciated.

Lui

You can run Aromasin right through pct, it won't give you any estrogen rebound.

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Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

You can run Aromasin right through pct, it won't give you any estrogen rebound.

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Yup.. then get blood work done to make sure everything is on the up and up

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Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

Could this be used in conjuction with a heavy oral steriod cycle with a 4week cycle length? I have been told orals shut down your body much quicker and rapidly than injections.
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

Could this be used in conjuction with a heavy oral steriod cycle with a 4week cycle length? I have been told orals shut down your body much quicker and rapidly than injections.

that is correct..

people don't realize a 4 week cycle shuts you down just as hard as a 12 week cycle. all hormones shut you down quickly. the body is too smart
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

that is correct..

people don't realize a 4 week cycle shuts you down just as hard as a 12 week cycle. all hormones shut you down quickly. the body is too smart

Thank you. Would you say skip the hcg all together? Or could I run the hcg right off the start of my cycle 250ius every 3-4 days until day 20 allowing me a 10 day window for my own lh production to recover. Then jump onto a serm after my last oral to your pct protocol.
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

To not sound like an ass... hcg?


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Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

Steve on the tail end of a test prop cycle, due to traveling and work, I have to make some compromise and tweaked your PCT a little:

HCG starting 29th June 600IU EOD for 2 weeks ( I find I need more HCG than 250IU 2-3 times a week and since I am away guiding for a week starting on 14th July, HCG can only be brief, short and intense with 7 shots at 600IU EOD)
HCGenerate ES - 29th June - 29th Aug

Last shot of Test P July 14th

PCT starting 18th July : Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Osta 25mg
HCGenerate ES (Cont for 2 months as stated above)

When PCT ends I start my SARMS experiment in the Himalayas continuing on HCGenerate ES

Do you think the HCG is a bit of an overkill? If so how would you tweak this?
 
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Is there any point in running a pct cycle if your only gunna be of steroids for 4-5 weeks. I've been cycling for 12weeks at a time. And having a break from in for 4weeks. In these 4 weeks should I run at pct or not bother ???


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Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

Hey, Thanks for the original post, very helpful.
Ive finished my first cycle (16 weeks). I had great gains and was happy with the process, except for some backne.
An unfortunate situation happened just as I was coming to the end of my cycle. My buddy who gets me my gear and PCT stuff suddenly jumped town. He left right before I could get any PCT advice or products, leaving me out to dry. Shortly after I left for europe. THis was just over three weeks ago. Since I have done no PCT. My nuts are still shrivled and I have noticed a large drop in my sex drive. The traveling lifestyle and a lunge infection I caught there has left me bedridden and I am seeing some of my hard earned gains wasting away! (tripping out).
I just express ordered the phytoserm and am currently looking for solid place to get clomid and ostarine.
What would your recommend my approach be having not done any PCT up to this point?
Should I increase dosage or just treat it as if it were day 1?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

Hey, Thanks for the original post, very helpful.
Ive finished my first cycle (16 weeks). I had great gains and was happy with the process, except for some backne.
An unfortunate situation happened just as I was coming to the end of my cycle. My buddy who gets me my gear and PCT stuff suddenly jumped town. He left right before I could get any PCT advice or products, leaving me out to dry. Shortly after I left for europe. THis was just over three weeks ago. Since I have done no PCT. My nuts are still shrivled and I have noticed a large drop in my sex drive. The traveling lifestyle and a lunge infection I caught there has left me bedridden and I am seeing some of my hard earned gains wasting away! (tripping out).
I just express ordered the phytoserm and am currently looking for solid place to get clomid and ostarine.
What would your recommend my approach be having not done any PCT up to this point?
Should I increase dosage or just treat it as if it were day 1?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

clomid/nolva and ostarine are very easy to find if you look, there is a site sponser with the initials SP, use them.

Since your pct is 3 weeks late it might not help much, but late is still better than dead. Im no pro at this but this is a solid pct you should follow.

Nolvadex [sold as Tamoxifen]
40/20/20/20
Clomid
50/50/50/25
Ostarine
15/15/15/15 then 25/25/25/25
And take the photoserms as listed on bottle
Note that the ostarine will not help you recover at all, but it will improve your workouts and help you preserve some precious muscle.

This might not help you make a full recovery, but at least your test levels will be back, estrogen will be blocked, if photoserms does what it says it does then maybe you could make a recovery. I would recommend hcg to get your nuts back but i doubt you can just go out and buy some tomorrow and expect to be using it in a reasonable amount of time. If this doesnt work and your balls dont drop, go see your doctor.
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

Is there any point in running a pct cycle if your only gunna be of steroids for 4-5 weeks. I've been cycling for 12weeks at a time. And having a break from in for 4weeks. In these 4 weeks should I run at pct or not bother ???


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you need to run a pct anytime you run hormones. it takes under 2 weeks to completely shut down your HPTA from any hormone use. if you do not believe me run bloodwork and look where your LH is after 2 weeks on steroids, you will notice its under 1
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

Hey, Thanks for the original post, very helpful.
Ive finished my first cycle (16 weeks). I had great gains and was happy with the process, except for some backne.
An unfortunate situation happened just as I was coming to the end of my cycle. My buddy who gets me my gear and PCT stuff suddenly jumped town. He left right before I could get any PCT advice or products, leaving me out to dry. Shortly after I left for europe. THis was just over three weeks ago. Since I have done no PCT. My nuts are still shrivled and I have noticed a large drop in my sex drive. The traveling lifestyle and a lunge infection I caught there has left me bedridden and I am seeing some of my hard earned gains wasting away! (tripping out).
I just express ordered the phytoserm and am currently looking for solid place to get clomid and ostarine.
What would your recommend my approach be having not done any PCT up to this point?
Should I increase dosage or just treat it as if it were day 1?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

you learned a stiff lesson which is always have your PCT on hand before touching steroids.

I would start your PCT asap, its actually better to start a pct late then just skip PCT. everyday that goes by where you skip pct is another day you lose muscle
 
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I agree with the hcg blast fot the first four weeks but I'm sorry, natural test boosters for four weeks and 12.5mg of clomid a day for only 3 weeks for a pct? I'm not buying it. Do you have any bloodwork showing that this is actually the best route?
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2014, time to break out the whip

I agree with the hcg blast fot the first four weeks but I'm sorry, natural test boosters for four weeks and 12.5mg of clomid a day for only 3 weeks for a pct? I'm not buying it. Do you have any bloodwork showing that this is actually the best route?

buddy you did not read it correctly. you are doing the clomid 4 weeks not 3 weeks.. and the T stack is 8 weeks not 4 weeks

re-read the protocol

yes there is bloodwork proving it works, PM me and I will show you the bloods.. This is the protocol all my clients and myself use. And if it doesn't work you send the products back and get your money back. 110% guarantee

I would not bother to post this if I wasn't 100% confident it would work
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

Going to follow your crack the whip PCT. I have 4 bottles of teststack 17 and the hcg/clomid. Is there no need for nolva in the pct? I Have been on test prop, tren ace and mast ace for 7 months.
Thanks for the great info!!
 
The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

I'm starting a Dbol Test and deca cycle. should I run a pct the whole cycle?
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

Every body is different and we all have different genetics some much better than others lol but that's life but for pct u need to test different ways that work best for u I always implement Clen with my Clomid and HCG as well as vitamin protocol that works very well for me and maybe for u maybe not u need to find what works I been juicing on and off for 25 years
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

In my humble opinion clomid and nolva are a good place to start maybe thro in sum hcg at start everyones got there own routines just relax but have things u might need just incase planning ahead is key to success gud luck 🍀
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

That previous statement referred to starting pct 10-14days after last shot (time is dependent on half life of products used) which varies alot dbol is 6-8hrs, deca is 21days, test depends on the type.
Don't rely on my memory, half life of aas is all over the web, again gud luck hope you reach your new horizon 😁
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

Every body is different and we all have different genetics some much better than others lol but that's life but for pct u need to test different ways that work best for u I always implement Clen with my Clomid and HCG as well as vitamin protocol that works very well for me and maybe for u maybe not u need to find what works I been juicing on and off for 25 years


What about running Arimidex, and caber along the with the Dbol test deca?
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

Have them incase you need them, Better to have it an not need it, than need it and not have it, pppppp.(perfect,planning,prevents,piss,poor,performance)
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

we all know what running hormones does to your HPTA. your LH, FSH both tank and your T levels jump from the extra hormones.. unfortunately as the hormones are leaving your system after cycle you have a period of time where all 3 main hormones are suppressed, this is why YOU must run a pct or risk losing your gains, motivation, and sex drive

hcg suppresses your LH and FSH and boosts T levels because it mimics LH. once you stop taking it your LH and FSH needs to recover and your T levels come crashing down.. so you never want to run hcg during pct, you want to run it to kickstart pct.

clomid and nolva will boost your LH, FSH, and T levels while they are in your system. once they are out of your system then you lose that manipulation and your LH, FSH and T levels come crashing back down even lower than before. so essentially it is a bridge into PCT to give you a temporary bounce but after that it is useless. so don't even just run them alone for pct and expect to truly recovery.

so from that lets deduce the absolute BEST way to run a PCT

while the nolva/clomid's are tapering away now its time to break out the whip and add in your non suppressive and natural T boosters. Phyto-serms ingredients CANNOT be found anywhere for cheaper, it also contains an anti-estrogen as part of the ingredients, no other T booster can say that. another great PCT supplement is T stack Rx. its pricey but it has 12 of the best T boosting ingredients out there and I would use either phyto or T stack depending on which one is the better deal.
so to summarize this is what you do if you want to break out the whip, notice how I overlap things on purpose below.

start this protocol the day of your last injection
hcg 250iu's 2-3X per week .. weeks 1-4 (optional)
clomid 12.5mg everyday or every other day weeks 3-6
T stack RX or Phyto weeks 4-12 1-3 caps per day (whichever one has the better deal go with)

now if you ran a cycle under 12 weeks and didn't run any nandrolones you need not bother with the above layout. this is how I would run my post cycle

T stack Rx or phyto-serms 1 cap per day weeks 1-4 then increase to 3 caps per day weeks 4-10. start it a week after your last injection.

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http://w3.teststackrx.com/109.html <<< this is the link to T stack

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Really helpful post. But you mentioned nolva at the time 'tapering away' but then it doesn't feature with clomid in your PCT. Are you saying don't include it?

If you don't include it, is it worth putting in arimidex to boost testosterone before the phytoserms/test stack?

Thanks
 
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If I run deca or tren in my cycle i add 2 weeks of just nolva at 20mg/day to my pct so in that case my pct is a total of 6 weeks.

If you do not the serms will still be influencing the numbers and you will show elevated levels. If you wait 6+ weeks to get your blood work this will give you an accurate reflection of your true recovery of HPTA function.

Helpful post, thanks. I'm running a tren cycle next - first one. So, into PCT you do weeks 1-6 nolva 20mg ED and weeks 2-6 clomid 50mg ED or is it weeks 1-4 nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50 with weeks 4-6 nolva 20/20? How does this help with the 19-nor gear, if you don't mind me asking?

Thanks for the heads up about bloods. I was going to get them at about week 4, so I'll hold out for another couple of weeks.
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

Am going to do cycle12weeka
Boldedone 750ml ew
Test cyp. 500ml ew
Danabol. 8weeks 50mg. Pct nolv and clomid after 2 weeks from last shot
My problem with hcg i did a lot of researches and still confused
So i have to use it last 4 weeks in cycle and the 2week between cycle and pct. or at pct with 15000ui first 15 days in it or what
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

I pretty much agree with j_p.
A solid clomid/nolva pct:
Clomid: 100/50/50/50 ; Nolva: 40/20/20/20
If I run deca or tren in my cycle i add 2 weeks of just nolva at 20mg/day to my pct so in that case my pct is a total of 6 weeks.
Also of note the above dosages are if I am running pharma pct products. If I am using RC's i drop my clomid dose to 70mgs/day week one and 35mgs/day weeks 2-4. I do this for ease of dosing as my rc clomid is dosed at 35mg/ml. The reduction in dose doesnt impact my recovery at all.
When you are going to get blood work post cycle & pct to assess your recovery from pct you have to wait 6-8 weeks after you take your last pct dose. If you do not the serms will still be influencing the numbers and you will show elevated levels. If you wait 6+ weeks to get your blood work this will give you an accurate reflection of your true recovery of HPTA function.


Am going to do cycle12weeka
Boldedone 750ml ew
Test cyp. 500ml ew
Danabol. 8weeks 50mg. Pct nolv and clomid after 2 weeks from last shot
My problem with hcg i did a lot of researches and still confused
So i have to use it last 4 weeks in cycle and the 2week between cycle and pct. or at pct with 15000ui first 15 days in it or what
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

Most do the weeks after last shot and before pct according to the half life of the drugs they're taking. Some do small amounts during the cycle, either 100iu every day within a few weeks of starting the cycle or a couple of 250iu shots per week (sometimes with a few weeks of hcgenerate in its place if they're concerned with the HCG making them less sensitive to androgens long term). Not many do a large initial dose. When it has been done it's tended to be because someone's done way too long a cycle and they're trying to jump start their recovery.
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

Most do the weeks after last shot and before pct according to the half life of the drugs they're taking. Some do small amounts during the cycle, either 100iu every day within a few weeks of starting the cycle or a couple of 250iu shots per week (sometimes with a few weeks of hcgenerate in its place if they're concerned with the HCG making them less sensitive to androgens long term). Not many do a large initial dose. When it has been done it's tended to be because someone's done way too long a cycle and they're trying to jump start their recovery.


So u mean to use it not at the last 4 weeks of the cycle and to use it the W weeks between cycle and pct right?
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

You can use it during the cycle but most people take it after their last shot and up to 3 days before starting pct
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

So yes I messed up and didn't have pct on hand before starting,
But I'm confused on a few thing with pct and all that. Test cycle 12 weeks
When would I start hcg and all that
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

So yes I messed up and didn't have pct on hand before starting,
But I'm confused on a few thing with pct and all that. Test cycle 12 weeks
When would I start hcg and all that

run it exactly the way I wrote in the first post

it is very simple
 
Re: The absolute Best PCT of 2015, time to break out the whip

Am going to do cycle12weeka
Boldedone 750ml ew
Test cyp. 500ml ew
Danabol. 8weeks 50mg. Pct nolv and clomid after 2 weeks from last shot
My problem with hcg i did a lot of researches and still confused
So i have to use it last 4 weeks in cycle and the 2week between cycle and pct. or at pct with 15000ui first 15 days in it or what

hcg is totally optional.. if you are confused just don't include it. a lot of guys don't want to bother with the mixing and injecting aspect
 
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