1st cycle thread

[bison517]

you guys are pretty smart about this stuff and was wondering if you can help me out with a little bit of advice.

i just recently started my very 1st cycle. im 26 years old, 6'2 and weigh about 240 at 18% BF. So i started this cycle with the intention of getting smaller, and leaner. not bigger.

i am on winstrol/test E (mild dosages. 500 mg etc)and was told that i dont need any sort of AI while on cycle. i haven't experienced any side effects, but joint pain from the winstrol. since the 4 weeks are done, i cut winny off completely since most people do not favor it that much around here after doing some research (my dealer insisted and i was gullible).

but now that im off winny, would i NEED an AI? i actually dont have any fluids or gyno or sensitive nipples. My diet is absolutely impeccable, and i eat very little fats with high protein and moderate carbs, while still being on a caloric deficit.

would you think i still need an AI on test e only? even for its mild dose?

and what would you reccomend for a PCT?
i was thinking nolva, climoid and HCGenerate

 

[infraredline]

you guys are pretty smart about this stuff and was wondering if you can help me out with a little bit of advice.

i just recently started my very 1st cycle. im 26 years old, 6'2 and weigh about 240 at 18% BF. So i started this cycle with the intention of getting smaller, and leaner. not bigger.

i am on winstrol/test E (mild dosages. 500 mg etc)and was told that i dont need any sort of AI while on cycle. i haven't experienced any side effects, but joint pain from the winstrol. since the 4 weeks are done, i cut winny off completely since most people do not favor it that much around here after doing some research (my dealer insisted and i was gullible).

but now that im off winny, would i NEED an AI? i actually dont have any fluids or gyno or sensitive nipples. My diet is absolutely impeccable, and i eat very little fats with high protein and moderate carbs, while still being on a caloric deficit.

would you think i still need an AI on test e only? even for its mild dose?

and what would you reccomend for a PCT?
i was thinking nolva, climoid and HCGenerate

1) You should have only done 300-350mg a week of test
2) You absolutely need an AI even with winny since it is not an AI and will still for gyno
3) No need for nolvadex
4) you should have gotten your bodyfat below 15% before you started cycling

Since you are 4 weeks in I'm assuming you still have 8 left, follow this exactly

4-12 aromasin 12.5mg ed
9-14 HCG 1000iu a week
13-18 formastanzol
15-18 clomid 25mg ed
15-18 post cycle unleashed combo
15-18 d-aspartic acid

 

[bison517]

1) You should have only done 300-350mg a week of test
2) You absolutely need an AI even with winny since it is not an AI and will still for gyno
3) No need for nolvadex
4) you should have gotten your bodyfat below 15% before you started cycling

Since you are 4 weeks in I'm assuming you still have 8 left, follow this exactly

4-12 aromasin 12.5mg ed
9-14 HCG 1000iu a week
13-18 formastanzol
15-18 clomid 25mg ed
15-18 post cycle unleashed combo
15-18 d-aspartic acid

thanks for the reply

i was told that 500 mgs of test e a week on 1st cycle was actually ok and considered the norm. i didnt know that 500 mgs a week was pushing it.

i've never heard of this PCT unleashed combo. i got all my information from anabolics 9th ed. can someone fill me in on this? and why is d-aspartic acid needed?

also since its my 1st cycle, wouldnt forma be considered a bit too potent? i thought nolva would do just fine, but i guess not? lol

 

[jerome simpson]

You are fine with 500/WK. Forma is not too potent. Nolva comes with more sides. Daa is a test booster with the most scientific data behind it.

 

[Sirk1981]

All signs point to 500mg test only first cycle. Keep your diet clean and hit the gym like a beast let your mind tell your body what to do.

 

[bison517]

All signs point to 500mg test only first cycle. Keep your diet clean and hit the gym like a beast let your mind tell your body what to do.

thank you guys so much

i think thats best


i have an AI just in case, but i dont feel as if i need it.


as for my PCT, you guys suggest the forma and climoid? what about natural test boosters like HCGenerate? my balls have gotten a little smaller, but i think thats normal lol. and i dont mind since im a single student at the moment anyways and i know they will heal up

 

[infraredline]

thanks for the reply

i was told that 500 mgs of test e a week on 1st cycle was actually ok and considered the norm. i didnt know that 500 mgs a week was pushing it.

i've never heard of this PCT unleashed combo. i got all my information from anabolics 9th ed. can someone fill me in on this? and why is d-aspartic acid needed?

also since its my 1st cycle, wouldnt forma be considered a bit too potent? i thought nolva would do just fine, but i guess not? lol

It's not pushing it but you should always operate under the rule less is more when it comes to AAS.

The post cycle unleashed combo are two test boasters (post cycle and unleashed) and d-aspartic acid is also a test boaster that are important in pct.
You can get post cycle and unleashed at proteinfactory.com or needtobuildmuscle.com/store/cart.php
I believe unleashed is out of stock right now so you could use forged post cycle instead of unleashed if it doesn't come back in stock soon enough.

Formastanzol is a great AI, it is relatively mild and will cover you on estrogen in pct. The reason I have you using aromasin on cycle is because it is a stronger AI and will minimize estrogen related sides to an even greater extent then Formastanzol

Nolvadex is garbage and you should never use it, EVER

Feel free to pm me if you have any further questions or need help figuring out where to get any of the products I listed in the previous post

 

[infish]

you dont need an ai, no one i know uses them, only ppl on here, yes they have been proven to work but no one i know uses it and they havent had any pronlems, and most of the replies you get are ppl trying to sell their products.

 

[Idobehigh]

Who's trying to sell products? No ai on a test cycle? Op don't listen to this kid unless you want to be bloated like a girl on her period... No one is selling this man anything they are giving him options on what to do

 

[infraredline]

you dont need an ai, no one i know uses them, only ppl on here, yes they have been proven to work but no one i know uses it and they havent had any pronlems, and most of the replies you get are ppl trying to sell their products.

I'm not even a mod bro so wtf am I selling? The mods don't even sell shit they just promote products they believe in.