cycle advice with helladrol/katana/ hcg

[pit1776]

I have gotten pretty good advice on different things but I am in the military so will not being doing any roids but want to do a legal stack that will help cut fat and gain lean muscle while maintaining or preferably increasing my endurace and have come up with this cycle and would like some advice about it whether or not it will work for my goals... should I do this or add, trade, or take away anything?

I am 30 yrs old, 200 lbs, eat well, about 16%bf and I need some real advice but people who have tried it or really know what they are talking about.

Also, I have read a lot about GW-50156 and how its great for endurance which is exactly what I need so am thinking about adding it in for the 8 wks cycle? What do you guys think or what all this be just too much?


8 week cycle
Wk 1-8 helladrol/katanadrol/gear/DAA/HCgenerate
Wk 9 & 10 unleashed/liv52/post cycle
Wk 11 & 12 unleashed/liv52/post cycle… add in BRIDGE these 2 wks and continue 2 more wks through 13 & 14

Should I start the BRIDGE immediately following my cycle on wk 9 or wait a couple weeks like I have posted here?

 

[kmoe4747]

I'm pretty sure you can drop the liv52 because the unleashed has most of your support supps in it. Including liver support.

 

[kmoe4747]

I'm thinking N2guard not unleashed. So I would throw some of that in there as well and drop the liv52

 

[buddhabuilder]

^^^This^^^These "designer steroids" turn into AAS when they enter your system. Helladrol would have you test positive for Tbol for example. The SARMS stack (Osta, S-4, and GW), on the other hand, works differently and would not come up on a standard test that is looking for roids.

 

[Sherk]

^^^This^^^These "designer steroids" turn into AAS when they enter your system. Helladrol would have you test positive for Tbol for example. The SARMS stack (Osta, S-4, and GW), on the other hand, works differently and would not come up on a standard test that is looking for roids.

What? Lol, you're half way right. There's no such test that indicates what substance you were using. You can't get tested and have them say "looks like you tested positive for tbol". That's absurd. Where do you get your info from?
That's almost as dumb as you telling people on more than one occasion to take adex at 12.5mg eod. Lmao

 

[pit1776]

I'm thinking N2guard not unleashed. So I would throw some of that in there as well and drop the liv52

Ok well on your guys advice, i will drop the liv52.... is N2Guard better than unleashed to use for a PCT?

The military is constantly digging into you to get into better shape and then slams you if you use anything to help even if you buy it from your local GNC.. Its not as if they post a banned substance list for all to be completely aware of but just cant wait to hit you on any small infraction but bottomline that is why I am sticking to legal sups and nothing else.

But what do you guys think about the rest of the stack? should I start bridge immediately or wait 2 weeks? and GW-50?

THANKS

 

[kmoe4747]

Sherk could you give us more light on that? I'm interested to know how they test and what these designer AAS would come up as on a steroid specific test

 

[dylangemelli]

Ok well on your guys advice, i will drop the liv52.... is N2Guard better than unleashed to use for a PCT?

The military is constantly digging into you to get into better shape and then slams you if you use anything to help even if you buy it from your local GNC.. Its not as if they post a banned substance list for all to be completely aware of but just cant wait to hit you on any small infraction but bottomline that is why I am sticking to legal sups and nothing else.

But what do you guys think about the rest of the stack? should I start bridge immediately or wait 2 weeks? and GW-50?

THANKS

bro, seriously... how can you even ask if n2guard can replace unleashed in pct... n2guard is to protect you from toxicity from orals... it DOES NOTHING to help you recover in pct... if you don't know something as simple as that then you have no business running a cycle... that's scary man...

 

[dylangemelli]

your pct is a mess...

pct

clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com

Methyl EAA and Test Infusion mrsupps.com
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

 

[Jbranken]

Weird info being thrown around in this thread. Unleashed frees up test. It's not an on cycle liver protectant at all. Stop talking about things you don't know. People need advice that will keep them safe. Telling them to replace a liver guard with unleashed is fucked up.

Sherk could you give us more light on that? I'm interested to know how they test and what these designer AAS would come up as on a steroid specific test

T/E ratio
Testosterone and its precursors may be endogenous (produced in the body naturally) or exogenous (ingested as drugs or supplements). The T/E ratio is used to distinguish between the two. This ratio is a urine concentration ratio of two steroids, testosterone (T) and its natural isomer, epitestosterone (E). The normal average ratio is approximately 1, with individual variation on both sides, either higher or lower.

Ingestion of exogenous testosterone or its precursors suppresses internal steroid production in the body. Both endogenous T and E would be suppressed. However, total testosterone concentration in urine will rise above normal due to ingested drug. Low E and high T cause the T/E ratio to rise above 6 (cut-off), indicating testosterone abuse.

 

[notjake11]

Stop posting the same damned question. This is three separate threads on the same fucking issue.

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[kmoe4747]

I told him that N2guard could replace liv52. I never told him to drop the unleashed.

 

[dylangemelli]

I told him that N2guard could replace liv52. I never told him to drop the unleashed.

The OP made the comment about switching the two... The problem here is that there is so much bad info all over the place that it get a bit confusing for some... It can be hard for us at times when there is so much scattered info and there is not much clarity with the things being posted...

 

[kmoe4747]

Ah I see. Thanks for the clarification. Didn't want him to think I was giving bad info

 

[Jbranken]

You corrected yourself. Apologies

 

[Sherk]

Kmoe, did jb clear it up for you? It's impossible to read someone's blood chart or urine analysis and say what exactly they are taking. All they're are going to see is elevated levels beyond natural capabilities and know that drugs were used to achieve the levels they've acquired. To say you can test somebody taking helladrol and they'd test positive for tbol is an ignorant bro science statement. I actually laughed when I read that Not trying to flame Buddha, but stick to what you know.

 

[pit1776]

Wow guys thanks for the info but this went totally in a different direction then I had planned. I already said I was a total newb and it takes a while to research things especially when there are so many different supplements out there, you cant research them all which is exactly why I cam here and wanted to ask all of you guys because so many different places give conflicting information... but bottom line I will not do anything without knowing fully what I am putting into my body which is why Im doing this research to see what real bodybuilders think and not just some advertisement.

But I really dont know enough and will just not use anything for now or for a long time until I am really confident about what I am doing, but thanks guys for everything. I had thought different things were being recommended so now I am not even sure what I should use and what i shouldnt

 

[buddhabuilder]

Wow guys thanks for the info but this went totally in a different direction then I had planned. I already said I was a total newb and it takes a while to research things especially when there are so many different supplements out there, you cant research them all which is exactly why I cam here and wanted to ask all of you guys because so many different places give conflicting information... but bottom line I will not do anything without knowing fully what I am putting into my body which is why Im doing this research to see what real bodybuilders think and not just some advertisement.

But I really dont know enough and will just not use anything for now or for a long time until I am really confident about what I am doing, but thanks guys for everything. I had thought different things were being recommended so now I am not even sure what I should use and what i shouldnt

There are very good quality natural Test boosters on the market. Any chance you could run them by someone in authority to see if they would be allowed? They are legal, but that sometimes doesn't mean much.

 

[kmoe4747]

Y'all both cleared it up pretty well. JB gave me the scientific answer and you gave me the "so what it means is" answer. Both are what I was looking for and cleared up the issue.

But here is my next question. How do they know what people tested positive for specifically?
Like when Ben Johnson tested positive for winny. I know winny differs from test but is there a way to test specific drugs

 

[buddhabuilder]

What? Lol, you're half way right. There's no such test that indicates what substance you were using. You can't get tested and have them say "looks like you tested positive for tbol". That's absurd. Where do you get your info from?
That's almost as dumb as you telling people on more than one occasion to take adex at 12.5mg eod. Lmao

"OralTbol enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often-posed question regarding how many days before a test OT can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reli-able source that athletes who only take OT as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the com-pound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone."

If I gave 12.5mg as recomended dose for adex my apologies. I recommend using Aromasin (exemestane) at 12.5mg eod when on cycle. It is the AI I use and I haven't hadf any problems.

 

[Sherk]

Your post you copied and pasted says nothing about testing positive for tbol while on helladrol or even testing positive for tbol while on tbol. Don't know what the point of that post was. Also yes, you gave the 12.5mg dose for adex in 2 different threads which was a little to coincidental to be an accident in my book which is why I made the statement I made.

 

[buddhabuilder]

Your post you copied and pasted says nothing about testing positive for tbol while on helladrol or even testing positive for tbol while on tbol. Don't know what the point of that post was. Also yes, you gave the 12.5mg dose for adex in 2 different threads which was a little to coincidental to be an accident in my book which is why I made the statement I made.

The point is Oral Tbol can be tested for.

 

[buddhabuilder]

Your post you copied and pasted says nothing about testing positive for tbol while on helladrol or even testing positive for tbol while on tbol. Don't know what the point of that post was. Also yes, you gave the 12.5mg dose for adex in 2 different threads which was a little to coincidental to be an accident in my book which is why I made the statement I made.

The point is Oral Tbol can be tested for and that is what Helladrol turns into.

 

[Sherk]

The point is Oral Tbol can be tested for and that is what Helladrol turns into.

Lmfao! Prove it! I've been competing in boxing, wrestling and jiu jitsu since I was a kid. I've taken a shit ton of drug screenings and know how they work. obviously you do to because you read it in the internet. lol. Oh and to let you know, about an hour ago you again gave the same shit poor advice about taking adex at 12.5mg eod. That was the third time I've seen YOU post that. The thread is called andropen 275. check it out. Get your shit right bud or quit giving bad fucking advice. You're doing nothing but making yourself sound like a jackass.

 

[buddhabuilder]

I have been respectful to you throughout this exchange. This is a community of people who share there experiences and learn from each other. There is no place here for personal attacks.

 

[Sherk]

I have been respectful to you throughout this exchange. This is a community of people who share there experiences and learn from each other. There is no place here for personal attacks.

I'm not attacking you. I'm trying to get you to understand that like you said, this is a place to learn and get help. But that's hard to do when you're handing out bad info. That's all bro. If you're typing to fast and that's your issue then read what you write before you post. How are people to get good info and learn if what you tell them is completely wrong? It sounds to me like you have a lot to learn yourself which would enable you from being able to help someone else. Get what I'm saying? We all started off somewhere man so don't get ahead of yourself and pass bad info to try and make yourself look good. It's not working. I came at you the way I did because I'm getting frustrated at reading the same shit over and over and the majority of it is false. All I'm trying to say bro is make damn sure what you're posting is good advice and you're not mixing up your AI's constantly or learn the names of them. Aromasin and arermidex are 2 different AI's with 2 different dosages. If you need help I'll teach you.

 

[buddhabuilder]

I'm not attacking you. I'm trying to get you to understand that like you said, this is a place to learn and get help. But that's hard to do when you're handing out bad info. That's all bro. If you're typing to fast and that's your issue then read what you write before you post. How are people to get good info and learn if what you tell them is completely wrong? It sounds to me like you have a lot to learn yourself which would enable you from being able to help someone else. Get what I'm saying? We all started off somewhere man so don't get ahead of yourself and pass bad info to try and make yourself look good. It's not working. I came at you the way I did because I'm getting frustrated at reading the same shit over and over and the majority of it is false. All I'm trying to say bro is make damn sure what you're posting is good advice and you're not mixing up your AI's constantly or learn the names of them. Aromasin and arermidex are 2 different AI's with 2 different dosages. If you need help I'll teach you.

I totally accept my mixing up these 2 AI names. And I guarantee you it won't happen again. Thank you..

 

[pit1776]

Now this is what I have come up with up until this point but I am pretty sure this cycle and its PCT has already been crushed as being not very good but again thats why I am here so please just say if this is good or bad and if its bad then what should I ... add, drop, change, trade , etc...? just real advice as I wont be doing this for a VERY LONG TIME but this is part of my research.
8 week cycle
Wk 1-8 helladrol/katanadrol/gear/DAA/transaderm & forma/N2Guard ( possibly power chews as a natural t booster since trans seems to be sold out)
Wk 9 & 12 PCT unleashed/post cycle/ hcgenerate/bridge

 

[pit1776]

I just saw Dylan posted this and have seen it other places? Is this the best PCT?

Methyl EAA and test Infusion mrsupps.com
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

 

[pit1776]

I have already changed my cycle supps so nevermind... let me do some more research and I will post another thread but lets consider this one closed, thanks to all.

 

[Jbranken]

I just saw Dylan posted this and have seen it other places? Is this the best PCT?

Methyl EAA and test Infusion mrsupps.com
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

Add some keto burn and you'll have an amazing pct