Running a cycle w/o AI

[DanoC]

Currently, I'm running my first cycle of Test 250 2x1cc a week with liquidex. I have 2 friends right now that have ran a few cycles without any AI. One guy is running Test & Deca alone, and the other is running Test 400 alone. They have Nolva on hand "in case of Gyno." my question is:

What are the long term/short term effects of running w/o an AI?

Is a basic (test only) cycle always, 100% in need of an AI?

Would starting an AI 4-5 weeks into a 14 week cycle be ok?

These guys say "I'm never had any issues with gyno..." So what should I say?

thanks, as always!

 

[NegroPops]

you don't always have to run an AI, but it is smart to at least have one on hand. It also will depend greatly on what type of compounds you are running and the doses you are taking Some steriods do not convert to estrogen. Something like Test tho, converts very easily so you should want to be protected against gyno or edema.

Also, running an AI on cycle is a much better option then keeping Nolva on hand in case gyno becomes and issue.

 

[Jbranken]

Also, running an AI on cycle is a much better option then keeping Nolva on hand in case gyno becomes and issue.

^^^ yep

These guys say "I'm never had any issues with gyno..." So what should I say?

thanks, as always!

Say, "have fun playing with your boobs!" Jk. They may never get gyno or obvious sides from raised estro--they may get it down the road or their next cycle. Just bc they want to be unprepared and stupid, doesn't mean you should be. Always have the proper ancillaries on hand when altering your hormones. No exceptions.

 

[DanoC]

They may never get gyno or obvious sides from raised estro--they may get it down the road or their next cycle.

thats what I figured. Both of them have ran a couple cycles, but no gyno issues yet so they think they're safe. One of the dudes is a complete moron who takes 2 weeks off to "clear out his system" before jumping back on something. He shoots with a fucking insulin needle for pete's sake. But the other dude I respect and is the main reason I'm starting gear, but when I started to research certain things started popping in my head like...."dude, shouldn't you run some kind of AI?....."

thanks for the info. He's 4-5 weeks into a cycle, test and deca. would throwing in something now have any negative effect?

 

[stevesmi]

don't worry what your friends do. you must be <25 to have that mentality.. you will grow out of it hopefully and learn to do your own thing

bodybuilding is something individual.. this isn't a team sport where you have to worry what your friend does.. so don't worry what your friends do.. let them fuck themselves up.

 

[Jack steel]

Higher estrogen... means higher SHBG...means lower hormone levels available for anabolism. You may not get estro sides but they're making a mistake nonetheless. Also nolva licks monkey taints. But forma is God. I wish people would stop using useless crap like nolva. It's not even an AI it's a SERM.

 

[DanoC]

don't worry what your friends do. you must be <25 to have that mentality.. you will grow out of it hopefully and learn to do your own thing

bodybuilding is something individual.. this isn't a team sport where you have to worry what your friend does.. so don't worry what your friends do.. let them fuck themselves up.

A) I am doing my own thing and

B) he's a family member who I care about. and

C) i was curious

thanks for the lack of info! The fact that we're all on this forum spreading our knowledge is testament that we DO care what other people do and WANT to learn more. But, generally, i do see your point. However questioning my mentality is a pretty shitty way of doing it.

 

[Jbranken]

A lot of bad and good influences in the gym, gotta trust that instinct

What do you mean by negative effect? It's never too late to add an ai. As long as you don't over-do it and crush estro and dry your joints out, you'll be fine. Now boobs... That's a negative effect...

 

[stevesmi]

A) I am doing my own thing and

B) he's a family member who I care about. and

C) i was curious

thanks for the lack of info! The fact that we're all on this forum spreading our knowledge is testament that we DO care what other people do and WANT to learn more. But, generally, i do see your point. However questioning my mentality is a pretty shitty way of doing it.

you never mentioned he was a family member, you said 'a friend' which to me means some young guy at your gym or some dude in your frat..

the answer you are seeking isn't black and white.. people run cycles all the time and nothing happens to them bad. others can run a little AAS and grow bitch tits in 1 week. everyone is different.

if you go back and re-read what i wrote and not be so defensive about it you would understand what I am saying is this is an individual thing and just cause it works for your 'friend' doesn't mean it will work for you and vice versa. everyone is gonna react differentally.

however the SMART way of doing things is covering all bases always and worrying about yourself. if he wants help let him come on here and I can tell him the same thing.

 

[DanoC]

A lot of bad and good influences in the gym, gotta trust that instinct

What do you mean by negative effect? It's never too late to add an ai. As long as you don't over-do it and crush estro and dry your joints out, you'll be fine. Now boobs... That's a negative effect...

thats what I figured. I just never saw any thread about starting AIs mid-cycle. I would think thats because most people are a tad bit smarter than that. thanks dude.