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My Tbol and Anavar Cycle Log and Results

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crandom

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Hi.
I'm about to start my first cycle and i decided after all research to do a Tbol and Anavar only cycle.
I know that a lot of people out there are against oral only and have the opinion that ''test should be the base of all cycles''. However I decided against test because i don't want the sides, i don't have 18+ weeks and i don't believe it's necessary for my goals. I am NOT a bodybuilder nor do i aim to become one.
I decided on Tbol and Anavar because it's fairly mild on sides and i believe it fits my purpose.

Cycle info:
Week 1-4 50mg Tbol & 40mg Var
Week 4-6 60mg Tbol & 50mg Var
Week 6-9 80mg Var

PCT
Nolva 40/20/20/20
DAA and Horny goat weed (just some extra stuff i got my hands on)

Supplements
Liv52, Whey protein, Casein Protein, Creatine, BCAA, L-Glutamine, Potassium, Taurine.

Workout
Day 1 Chest, Triceps
Day 2 Delts, Traps
Rest
Day 3 Biceps, Legs
Day 4 Back
Rest

Diet
Week 1-5 slightly above maintenance
Week 6-9 under maintenance
Clean diet with 400g protein


Stats
Age: 30
Height: 183cm (6ft)
Weight: 86,6kg (191 lbs)
BF: 13-14%
History: Been working out at the gym my whole adult life
Preparation: I have been bulking up 8kg (18 lbs) last 3 month au naturel


Goal
My primary goal at the end of the cycle is to be cut and would like to get down to 7%. I will increase low intensity cardio more and more.
Secondary goal is to gain lean muscle mass. I don't expect to have any big gains but every kilo of lean muscle mass is welcomed.

I will comment on all development surrounding this cycle at least once a week. It will include results, side effects and thoughts. I have also uploaded a before pic.
Please comment on anything relevant.
Cheers



 
dude im not an expert but when it comes to var + tbol i know some stuff cuz i have done a lot of research on this combo...im sure u know two orals are hard for the body to handle. plus var+tbol is not easy for first cycle.thats why i didnt go for it. but if you decide to do it..you are gonnaa need somw real OCT and PCT.
N2GUARD is essential if u wanna run two orals...its not only about tje liver but your blood pressure as well. u are gonna need some hcge nerate also to avoid going completely shhutdown to pct...now be a man and get some real pct stuff nolva is garbage. get unleashed+post combo , daa , forma...then bridge with bridge and ostarine to keep and even multiply the gains...thats how i would do it bro...good luck
 
aced1 said:
dude im not an expert but when it comes to var + tbol i know some stuff cuz i have done a lot of research on this combo...im sure u know two orals are hard for the body to handle. plus var+tbol is not easy for first cycle.thats why i didnt go for it. but if you decide to do it..you are gonnaa need somw real OCT and PCT.
N2GUARD is essential if u wanna run two orals...its not only about tje liver but your blood pressure as well. u are gonna need some hcge nerate also to avoid going completely shhutdown to pct...now be a man and get some real pct stuff nolva is garbage. get unleashed+post combo , daa , forma...then bridge with bridge and ostarine to keep and even multiply the gains...thats how i would do it bro...good luck
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Thanks for your comment. I do agree that what you describe is a more optimal way to do the cycle and will yield in better result. However, going into this cycle i already expect to have:
1) increased blood pressure
2) suppressed natty production
3) Little or no libido (nut shrinkage)
4) bad liver values
BUT i believe that i can live with that for awhile and expect everything to go back to normal after.

I am going to take your advise and add clomid to my PCT to get my natty production going faster.

There are tons of substances out there that do certain things and are beneficial, but I can't take them all so i will stick with a solid cycle and a proper PCT.

I also believe that the discussion on orals needs to be more complex then just saying ''mixing 2 orals is very bad for you''. There are a huge difference between orals and orals. For example would 50+50mg tbol & var be worse than 100mg of anadrol?

What do you mean by Tbol & Var is not easy for first cycle? in what way?

In my research i found that everyone that actually has done this combo are happy with the result and people who slam this combo are the typical ''orals only are bad'' sayers. It is important do take the desired goal into consideration.

This is however my first cycle and i can be completely wrong. No matter what i will be honest in my result and experience.

cheers
 
Why not just do a test E cycle 12 weeks? Good gains, easier on the liver, blood pressure will still be there but to me if I were gunnu start I'd just go for it, and pin 2x a week.

P.S PCT kinda sucks, not trying to be rude, just sayin

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no most people just don't agree with combining two orals....you actually find more people who support oral only cycles with the right ancillaries on this board (proviron and/or hcg) but combining two orals ESPECIALLY for a first cycle is a bad idea. if something is causing you an issue you won't know which one......that is why you are supposed to progress with 1 compound and slowly add in more for each next cycle. Do what you want, but two simultaneous orals is a bad idea especially for a first cycle. you don't know how your liver will react to even one of those. props for researching and stuff, but maybe you should do a little more and you would see that nobody recommends two orals at a time. yes both of those would be worse than 100mg of anadrol.....
 
hulkamainia 119 said:
Why not just do a test E cycle 12 weeks? Good gains, easier on the liver, blood pressure will still be there but to me if I were gunnu start I'd just go for it, and pin 2x a week.

P.S PCT kinda sucks, not trying to be rude, just sayin

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Thanks for your comment. I know my PCT sucks thats why I decided to add Clomid to it.
Right know i am only interested in getting lean muscle mass and cut for summer. No big gains, no bloating etc. I also don't have time for a 18 week cycle since i'm scheduled to go overseas in May.
 
Just stick w anavar for your first for 6-8 weeks. Start at 60mg and adjust up from there.

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2 DAY UPDATE

I started the cycle yesterday splitting up dosage am and pm.

Day1 Chest & Triceps - not much to report. No sides at all, no discomfort. However, I did feel a slight increase (not much) in pump at the gym, it could be placebo or just one of those days. No matter what, I felt great and it was a good work out.

Day2 Shoulder & Traps - Still no sides or discomfort. BUT, i did feel great at the gym. More pump than yesterday, nothing crazy yet, but a noticeable difference. I got that lovely burning feeling when you manage to do a couple of extra reps before failure.

Appetite: No major difference
Libido: Normal
Vascularity: No difference yet
Strength: Maybe a slight increase. Pump is up

I suspect it will take at least a couple of week to see some change to speak of.
 
crandom said:
Thanks for your comment. I know my PCT sucks thats why I decided to add Clomid to it.
Right know i am only interested in getting lean muscle mass and cut for summer. No big gains, no bloating etc. I also don't have time for a 18 week cycle since i'm scheduled to go overseas in May.
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I got ya, and only 12 Weeks bro that would be enough, but its all good I'm sure have good gains, ill post a pct for ya later, but get some liver support!

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1 WEEK UPDATE !!!

Weight gain: +3,4kg (7.5lbs)
Definition: Same
Vascularity: Same
Strength: slight increase
Pump: more and more
Libido: up, Up and UP (literally)
Other visible side effects: None

I am very impressed with the gains so far. I didn't expect to gain 3.4kg (7lbs) in one week and it really shows, especially on the upper body. It's hard to comment on body fat since i don't have an accurate tool to measure it, but it doesn't look like I've gained any BF nor any significant difference in definition. I guess it will be easier to tell as time goes by.

My diet is obviously above maintenance with around 350-400g of protein and I intend to keep it that way for another 2-3 week (depending on my gains) before start cutting for the remaining weeks of the cycle.

I feel great and can't complain on anything yet, I do feel different but cannot pin point it.

For liver and lipid protection I use: LIV52 (6 pills), Lecithin, Omega-3, Flaxseed oil.
(PS. Lecithin is suppose to be great in treating damaged liver caused by alcohol and medication for those who don't know)

Cheers
 
Dude not to flame you (but really flaming you), this is a stupid idea. You're going to shut yourself down completely. It just won't 'go back to normal' when youre done as you previously posted. What's the point of looking good if you can't even use your dick? Your balls will never be the same after this cycle. Atleast use a transdermal test. Don't be an idiot. It's going to be extremely toxic to your liver and you won't even keep these gains. Trust me, none of the gains will stay for more than a few weeks after. I've done both of these as stand alones when I was ignorant to aas. Do what you want but it's not worth it. Just say you're scared of pinning an leave it at that.
 
Jbranken said:
Dude not to flame you (but really flaming you), this is a stupid idea. You're going to shut yourself down completely. It just won't 'go back to normal' when youre done as you previously posted. What's the point of looking good if you can't even use your dick? Your balls will never be the same after this cycle. Atleast use a transdermal test. Don't be an idiot. It's going to be extremely toxic to your liver and you won't even keep these gains. Trust me, none of the gains will stay for more than a few weeks after. I've done both of these as stand alones when I was ignorant to aas. Do what you want but it's not worth it. Just say you're scared of pinning an leave it at that.
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REALLY???? What do you base your opinion on?
All studies suggest that your levels will go back to normal after terminating the use of AAS and that goes for injectable, orals and both. The whole point of doing a PCT is to get natural testosterone production going again quickly.
My dick is just fine thanks for asking. In fact, its better than a 13 year old boy seeing tits for the first time.
Let's talk about BALLS!!!. The reason they may shrink is due to deceased level of testosterone produced by them. As soon as you start producing again your balls will grow back to normal size. Thats a fact.

YES my liver is having a rough time at the moment, thats why i'm doing everything i can to protect it and take Liv52 and lecithin. The liver is the most resilient organ in your body and capable of regenerate itself and there is no way 9 weeks of mild orals is going to cause liver failure.

Now, both tbol and anavar is notorious for giving quality lean muscle mass that are keepable. So instead of blaming AAS for loss of muscle mass, wouldn't make more sense to examine your diet and work out after the cycle instead?
I find it hard to believe that with a spot on diet and workout all your gains just disappear in the thin air. A small portion may, but definitely not all.

And i am not scared of pinning myself. I used to be a blood donor for years.
 
My opinion is based on, As I stated, I've done both as stand alones a few years ago without test. You'll see what I'm talking about after the cycle is done. The strength will go away, and the weight will too, and your money. If you want a successful cycle just do test with the orals. If you don't 'have time' for test, then you don't have time or any business doing steroids. Just trying to keep you from doing something dumb, but you'll do what you want anyway. you'll see afterward when you're smacking your limp dong against some dissapointed tramps beefy peaches thinking about me ;) mmhmm
 
7lbs in one week doing bodypart workouts?

Get in the rack son....start moving some big weights doing ground based strength and power moves....
 
What's the difference between test shutting you down and var shutting you down?(don't need an answer). You will be fine to do this cycle. You would be golden to have test as a base and start with Tbol and finish with var. I like to overlap Orals so you never lose that edge that Orals give you. But expect to feel like shit with no test for so long. Make sure you get bloods after to make sure your liver values come back to normal.
 
Doing 2 orals at the same time might not be the smartest idea, but hey its your body.

To the poster who said you'll lose everything coming off an oral cycle is fuking non sense. If you have a planned out pct (which you should have) a good diet and still keep working out heavy and hard, have back up supps like creatine beta alanine you're not gonna lose your gains, i know creatine works synergistic with var but i like to save it for pct, for an extra boost in strength and mass.
If you do those right you'll not lose anything coming off, you can even keep making gains if you're smart about your plan
 
2 WEEK UPDATE!!!

Total Weight gain: +4,7kg (10.36lbs) - Week gain: 1.3kg (2.87lbs)
Vascularity: Same
Strength: strength is up further since last week
Pump: overall up, some muscle groups more than other.
Libido: Very niceee
Balls size: normal (at least as far as I can tell, hard to measure though)
Other visible side effects: None

First off, I feel great and I haven't had any bad reactions yet. However last week doing deadlifts, my heart rate went through the roof very quickly and I experienced shortage of breath a lot more than usual. Deadlifts always killes me but this session was much harder and i was struggleing to get through it and the other back exercises as well. I've read through some forums and found other people experience the same thing when taking Tbol. I am not too worried about it and haven't felt it on any other gym sessions.

I'm also still quite surprised with my gains (4,7kg in 2 weeks) and i love it. I guess it could have something to do with my strict diet ( lean with a shit load of protein) and workout and the fact that it is my very first cycle. My muscles looks full and feels hard and I'm confident when going into my cutting phase that I will end up looking fit since my muscle gains already exceeded my expectations.

It is going to be interesting how the next couple of weeks pans out, if i have reach my peak or if it will continue. I also plan to up my Tbol dose next week to 60mg ed for the remaining 3 tbol weeks.

I have hard time deciding is when I will start cutting seriously. In one hand I like the gains that I'm getting, but I also want to give me enough time to loose fat. As of now, I am looking at loosing around 6-7kg (13-15lbs) of fat to get to around 7-8% BF so figure I should allow myself maybe 6 weeks to do so.

Cheers
 
it is because of your blood pressure skyrocketing....you need to take something to keep that calm

you should start cutting right now. you don't necessarily need to lose weight to cut. its call recomping
adjust your carbs to about 150 on workout days, and 0-50 on non workout days.
increase protein and fats, and hit the cardio up hardcore.
you won't sacrifice gains. you are staying anabolic all the time on the orals
 
ballslee said:
it is because of your blood pressure skyrocketing....you need to take something to keep that calm

you should start cutting right now. you don't necessarily need to lose weight to cut. its call recomping
adjust your carbs to about 150 on workout days, and 0-50 on non workout days.
increase protein and fats, and hit the cardio up hardcore.
you won't sacrifice gains. you are staying anabolic all the time on the orals
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Thanks for your comment. At the moment I'm taking 6g of fish oil, 4 tbs of flaxseed oil and lecithin for high BP and it works. Last time i did deadlifts it was back to normal.
I also added 30 min cardio after each gym sess and 1h low intensity cardio on rest days.
 
3 WEEK UPDATE!!! NEW PHOTO

Total Weight gain: +6.7kg (14.77lbs)
Vascularity: Same
Strength: Way UP from last week
Pump: very good pump and increased since last week
Libido: still good, halted or decreased slightly since last week, will know more in the next couple of weeks.
Balls size: As far as I can tell normal.
Other side effects: I feel my heart beat more than usual.

OK. So this is what I've been waiting for, the ''kick in'' feeling. I don't know whether it's because it's been 19 days or I upped my Tbol dose to 60mg from 50mg (probably both), but I really felt the steroids taking full effect at the gym. The strength, pump and focus was above and beyond making gym sessions a lot more fun. The gains has been there since day 1 but not the ''feeling''.

Since start I've gain 6.7kg (14.77lbs) which is well beyond my expectations considering its only been 3weeks and I'm only 33% in my cycle. During this time I have somewhat been bulking and my calorie intake has been above maintenance causing me to loose some definition (not much). And because i'm satisfy with my muscle gain I decided to start my cutting phase now, ahead of schedule. From now on I will be lowering my calorie intake, minimizing and restricting carbs to weightlifting days while doing low intensity cardio every day. Low intensity cardio for me is walking on a treadmill for 30-45min with a heart rate of 120-130. I will keep my protein, BCAA and glutamine intake high to avoid catabolism

My current dose is: 60mg TBOL 50mg ANAVAR divided over three times a day (8h apart).

I expect that dose to keep me anabolic even though I am at deficit calorie intake. My goal is to cut down to at least 8% BF.

I have posted a new photo to mark the end of my bulking phase and the beginning of cutting phase for the remaining 6 weeks.

Cheers
 
Been wanting to run an Anavar/ TBol cycle as well. And before anyone says anything yes I hate needles and yes it will be my first cycle but i believe out of any steroid TBol and anavar are the mildest but yes are still very powerful and will not be taking them lightly. Wanna do an 8 week cycle.

1-8 TBol 60mg ED
1-8 Anavar 60mg ED
1-8 N2 Guard
1-8 Arimidex 1mg EOD
1-8 Dermacrine
1-8 Taurine

PCT
9-12 Clomid 25/25/25/25
9-12 Unleashed/Post Cycle
9-12 DAA
9-12 creatine nitrate

Bridge
13-20 ostarine
13-20 S-4

Also would be taking fish oil, multi vitamin, saw palmetto, BCAA's , and protein powder
 
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