test is crazy low / ony test cyp TRT still no libido

[mxrider47]

I made this profile just to ask this ?

im 23 and had limp dick for months and got my test level checked and it was at 180. I got put on test cyp 200mg week and I think its actually got worse. Ive been fighting with this for about a year and Im getting frustrated and almost ready to accept the fact that my sex life is over with. I just had all my blood work done results havent came back yet but their talking about putting a pellet in me.

any advice

 

[SinisterUproar]

I made this profile just to ask this ?

im 23 and had limp dick for months and got my test level checked and it was at 180. I got put on test cyp 200mg week and I think its actually got worse. Ive been fighting with this for about a year and Im getting frustrated and almost ready to accept the fact that my sex life is over with. I just had all my blood work done results havent came back yet but their talking about putting a pellet in me.

any advice

How long have u been on test cyp for? What were your estrogen levels?

 

[goin on 4T]

Did you do steroids or ph before and that is why your natty production sucks?


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[training700]

^^ Really need to know this to help you more

 

[mxrider47]

You guys are going to say I'm full of it but a OTC product called triazole is what caused this. When my last cycle ended I felt like this and I figured it'd go away and it never has let up and it's been damn near a year. Caused a 3 year relationship to fall apart and has absolutely destroyed my confidence. It's awesome explaining to every girl why I can't get hard. My urologist swears by this pellet but it's $1000 and last 6 months which I could deal with but I have a feeling it's not going to be any different. I've tried every OTC libido booster made and it makes no difference. I know you guys can't help me much without some bloodwork values but I should get the results back here soon. This is the worst feeling in the world. I wonder if my estrogen is way up also? But no I've never taken steroids.

I made a post about this on bodybuilding.com and got a bunch of smartass replies so I figured I'd try it here

 

[rustilldown]

Do you get morning wood?

 

[mxrider47]

No and also never get urges to have sex. I can do it but it's about half hard and completely forced. Sucks to go from great sex all the time to horrible sex once in a blue moon. I've been on test about 10 weeks now. Would bumping up my dose help?

 

[stevesmi]

you said it yourself.. you had a bad relationship and you lost your confidence.. boom end of story you have your answer.

you can take all the test cyp in the world and it wont fix it. its called going through a bad breakup, but these days we gotta jump on 5 different mood enhancement drugs plus go on HRT forever..(thats what society has become, NOT a generational thing but a society thing)

been there, done that. get off the cyp.. run a pct. and then start practicing meditation/yoga, prayer, something to get your head on straight. stop taking girls so seriously you are only 23 dating girls who are still running getting fucked and chucked by every guy they meet drunk at their college. once you get into your 30's or 40's you can find the right girl. really this thread isn't even about AAS, its about a young man who had a woman rip his heart out and steal his thunder.... all of us unless we were ugly or shy at your age has been through that crap, and i'm in my 30's and it still sucks if a girl screws me over.. you gotta get through it without the use of drugs or hormones because they will be habit forming/addictive and they will not necessarily help you (as you can see by the test cyp not helping)

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

I could not agree with Steve more. The mind can be your best friend and worst enemy. And you my man are definitely down and out at the moment. Get your mind right and things will most certain look up.

 

[Eddie-jnr]

Pop a few Viagra


Do Ya Thing Boi, Fuck What They Lookin At!!

 

[MrSinister]

A bad break up doesn't cause your test to come it at 180. That's physiological, not in the head.

 

[stevesmi]

A bad break up doesn't cause your test to come it at 180. That's physiological, not in the head.

its all connected.

i assure you if you took test levels of guys who were depressed vs. guys who were successful in life and had everything they ever wanted you would get a huge disparity in levels.

I been there myself. my test levels are higher today than they were in my early 20's when i went through a bad time

stress and depression are the worst thing for your health.

 

[mxrider47]

That's a pretty bold statement to make about a complete stranger. Especially considering I'm the one that broke up with her, and what affect does that have on me have a total test level below 200 at the age of 23? And she was the farthest thing from a slut. When your in a serious relationship and you have zero sex drive when things were great before it causes a shitload of issues. None of this has to do with my issue but that was a classis family doctor response. It's all in your head, your too stressed out, your work schedule is demanding... Have a nice day there's the door.

And a urologist prescribed me to this I'm not ordering it online

 

[goin on 4T]

That's a pretty bold statement to make about a complete stranger. Especially considering I'm the one that broke up with her, and what affect does that have on me have a total test level below 200 at the age of 23? And she was the farthest thing from a slut. When your in a serious relationship and you have zero sex drive when things were great before it causes a shitload of issues. None of this has to do with my issue but that was a classis family doctor response. It's all in your head, your too stressed out, your work schedule is demanding... Have a nice day there's the door.

And a urologist prescribed me to this I'm not ordering it online

What was your last cycle?
What was your pct?
When did you start using this product you blame it on?
When you jerk off does it get hard?
Do you cum?


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[stevesmi]

^^^ dude calm down. I have worked with dozens of guys with your problem. I am trying to get you on the right track WITHOUT being put on HRT for the rest of your life. you are only 23.

if you want to stick to HRT forever than that is fine though. one day if you get sick of the injections then what though?

you have a problem which is low T. you took test cyp and the problem is still there. which leads me to believe that yes it is in your head. the more you obsess over it the more the problem will grow.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

That's a pretty bold statement to make about a complete stranger. Especially considering I'm the one that broke up with her, and what affect does that have on me have a total test level below 200 at the age of 23? And she was the farthest thing from a slut. When your in a serious relationship and you have zero sex drive when things were great before it causes a shitload of issues. None of this has to do with my issue but that was a classis family doctor response. It's all in your head, your too stressed out, your work schedule is demanding... Have a nice day there's the door.

And a urologist prescribed me to this I'm not ordering it online

It has nothing to due with your problem...Though you said the doctor told you the same thing.

 

[mxrider47]

Honestly that's why I split up with her I thought I wasn't attracted to her then I have tried hooking up with other females and have all the same problems. And the only reason I lost my conifdence is from these problems. The rest of my life is pretty stable. The test has made me put on some muscle. I've got the best body I've ever had but honestly I'm way more concerned about sexual function than muscle

 

[Pound4PoundAAS]

^^^ dude calm down. I have worked with dozens of guys with your problem. I am trying to get you on the right track WITHOUT being put on HRT for the rest of your life. you are only 23.

if you want to stick to HRT forever than that is fine though. one day if you get sick of the injections then what though?

Steve is right, I've been on trt for years and I'm the same age. It's tiring now and I have to do this for the rest of my life.

OP, listen up, he's just trying to help you so you don't have to rely on a hormone for the rest of your life

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Honestly that's why I split up with her I thought I wasn't attracted to her then I have tried hooking up with other females and have all the same problems. And the only reason I lost my conifdence is from these problems. The rest of my life is pretty stable. The test has made me put on some muscle. I've got the best body I've ever had but honestly I'm way more concerned about sexual function than muscle

And your so concerned about the sex thing and nervous, scarred, worried about your performance that its adding to your problems. Its like the kid that wants sex for the first time and when the opportunity comes, He cant get the boy up...

 

[stevesmi]

Honestly that's why I split up with her I thought I wasn't attracted to her then I have tried hooking up with other females and have all the same problems. And the only reason I lost my conifdence is from these problems. The rest of my life is pretty stable. The test has made me put on some muscle. I've got the best body I've ever had but honestly I'm way more concerned about sexual function than muscle

you said in the first post you want to put a pellet in your head.

now lets get real here, that is not something someone who is 'stable' with their life would ever say. you have problems man. now yes I don't know you, but it seems to me that you are making a mountain out of a mole hill and creating a bigger problem than it is. it probably started out innocent but the more you obsessed over it the bigger the problem got. like gorilla said above me, we all been through that lol. there was a 6 month stretch in my early 20's when i was single and i don't even remember having sex that whole time because i was upset and depressed after a breakup and some stressful stuff with work. life is TOUGH man and we all been through a bad streak. it will get better

is the test you are taking from a doc? did he sit down with you and talk about how you would come off if you so choose? what I'm getting at is you could be turning a short term problem into a long term headache..

 

[BEEFCAKEZ]

Get off the test cyp, get some hcggenerate and some daa. Run it for a couple months at high doses. Perhaps get some HCG to spike test first if you want.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Pop a few Viagra


Do Ya Thing Boi, Fuck What They Lookin At!!

That's not a solution.

The problem can be in part psychological, which also can have a physiological effect on T levels. Triazole will lower estrogen, which can also affect libido. I say, go with a double dosing of UNLEASHED for a month. If that doesn't help, nothing will.

 

[mxrider47]

The pellet goes in around your hip... It's fairly common. I'm not trying to get into a pissing match or give my life story over the Internet. My blood work results are in I will post them here that's why I came here I don't really know what I'm looking at i just know how I feel.

But yeah I can still get off and no it's still half limp if I jerk off. I know what being nervous and unable to perform is like it happened to me a few times when I anticipated it too much but this has been with me for months and I'm not even nervous about it anymore just want to get it fixed. Thanks

 

[mxrider47]

And I don't think being on trt is a guarantee fix half the reviews I read if not more than half say their levels didn't go up much if at all and felt no different while on a shot or the gel

And I am calm I'm not trying to alienate myself but if you were in your early 20s and your dick couldn't get hard to save you life and it had been that way for months I bet you wouldn't want to have someone tell you that your dreaming it up. I couldn't be more sure that it's not the case here

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ cool post up your bloods.. since you are on test i can tell you already your LH will be near 0 and your total T should be in the high triple digits. lets see what they come out as. if you are on dr prescribed test no doubt it is legit and not bunk

 

[JoeBlob]

I see this as somewhat physiological but if you experienced the low test BEFORE you and your girlfriend broke up.... It's probably the OTC product you ran.... did you run a PCT?? Maybe I missed it but I would say that's a pretty big factor in your situation. If I were you I would get 2 bottles of Unleashed, and run that double dosed. While you do that you need to take Steve's advice and do the meditation/yoga, etc. All of that with the combination of Unleashed will certainly help. If you never ran a PCT, maybe a full PCT with Clomid would help.
You need to answer ALL of 4T's questions... This could be something that is just obvious and you could get the perfect solution... A PCT could help TONS if you never ran one or ran a shitty one.

 

[mxrider47]

My bad the pellet in my head thing was a typo. Was talking about the pellet and saying its not in my head and combined the 2. Trust me man i don't want to be on trt my whole life especially starting out this young. Not to mention my insurance won't cover it. I wish it was just a mental thing but the rest of my life is going pretty well.

When the doc put me on it all we had to go off of was my total test level which was very low but that's just a small peice of the puzzle. I told him I wanted total test, free test and estrogen levels checked at the least. I wish we were a little more thurough and did the blood work first but I was excited that he prescribed me to it and I thought my problems were over.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ okay but you didn't answer the post before..

is that triazole stuff a pro hormone?

now we are getting somewhere, you weren't very clear in your first post.. these little details are important to figure out what is going on.

sounds to me like you should be running a PCT and not being put on HRT. your doctor is an idiot

 

[mxrider47]

I will do some research on the unleashed. I did some research on chlomid a whole back but have never tried it and I never ran a pct. triazole worked great at first and I had great libido but when I ended my last cycle I got the floppy dick like crazy and thought it would go away. I waited a whole then took another cycle and made no improvement. I wish I would have never touched the shit. Everyone on bodybuilding laughed when I told them triazole messed me up but that's when my problems started

 

[stevesmi]

I just did a google search and you aren't the first person to get low T from triazole.. boom now we know what caused your problem.

now you need to get on a PCT and stop taking the HRT, that doc you used is a friggin moron.. did u tell him you took that stuff?

triazole fucks with your hormones.. I don't know much about what that shit is but anything that fucks with hormones and estrogen etc needs to be used with caution.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Here is another review on same product that's interesting in parts.

Triazole Review

I was taking four pills a day (2 in am + 2 in pm) for about 40 days when I had blood work done. The following info is what it is. I know there weren't any parameters put in place for a true scientific test, but I have to give the members this info and let them come to their own conclusions.

First off, I did not have blood work done before I started my cycle. Second, I took DHEA but only for the first two days of the cycle. Third, my nutritional and exercise habits weren't Jim Jupiter but they wern't Al Bundy either. I wasn't getting 40g of protein every 3 hours, but I wasn't eating junk food either. That all being said, here's my blood test results:

TOTAL TEST = 364 (range 262-1593)

FREE TEST = 2.69 (range 3.8-34.17)

The free test is so low that the Dr gave me a sample of Axiron testosterone topical solution, which he wants me to take for 30 days and have my blood tested again.

So that's it. Those are my numbers. I understand that I don't have any numbers from before the cycle. I admit that my health habits have not been exemplary. I even admit that I thought my body was responding better to my workouts than pre-cycle. But the numbers speak for themselves as far as what Triazole has done for me. Could it be something in my genetic makeup? Maybe. Could it be that I had even lower test before the cycle? Highly doubtful.

It's also worth mentioning that my sexual ability was poor and desire was low during my cycle. I wasn't (and still am not) ready to necessarliy blame that on Triazole, as I have had desire problems for several years, and bad sex always occurs when I force myself to engage without the proper level of desire. However it is worth mentioning, because even if it was just my regular period of low desire, Triazole sure as hell didn't make it any better.

So I'm just putting that out there. Some people swear by the stuff, but it wasn't for me. I just figured I'd give members my take on it and let them make up their own minds about taking it. I don't think I have anything to add but am willing to answer any questions.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yup that shit fucked this guy up. and then he ran it again and it fucked him up more... and then he started freaking out and got himself into a bigger hole.

he needs to run a PCT now and get the heck off HRT before he makes more damage

 

[mxrider47]

Ok man thanks I appreciate your guys help. Would a pct even be beneficial this far out from taking triazole? I'm not sure how that works. Can I get a list put together on the things you guys think I should try so I can research it? My libido was great before triazole. I found one other story of someone saying triazole destroyed their libido but all the other reviews were ranting and raving.

Am I gonna be more fucked up than I was in the first place now that my body's used to synthetic testosterone? I wish I knew more about this. I could more helpful advise from weightlifters than doctors that have been in school half their life. Docs just don't give a shit they want you in and out

 

[Nelson Montana]

Here is another review on same product that's interesting in parts.

Triazole Review

I was taking four pills a day (2 in am + 2 in pm) for about 40 days when I had blood work done. The following info is what it is. I know there weren't any parameters put in place for a true scientific test, but I have to give the members this info and let them come to their own conclusions.

First off, I did not have blood work done before I started my cycle. Second, I took DHEA but only for the first two days of the cycle. Third, my nutritional and exercise habits weren't Jim Jupiter but they wern't Al Bundy either. I wasn't getting 40g of protein every 3 hours, but I wasn't eating junk food either. That all being said, here's my blood test results:

TOTAL TEST = 364 (range 262-1593)

FREE TEST = 2.69 (range 3.8-34.17)

The free test is so low that the Dr gave me a sample of Axiron testosterone topical solution, which he wants me to take for 30 days and have my blood tested again.

So that's it. Those are my numbers. I understand that I don't have any numbers from before the cycle. I admit that my health habits have not been exemplary. I even admit that I thought my body was responding better to my workouts than pre-cycle. But the numbers speak for themselves as far as what Triazole has done for me. Could it be something in my genetic makeup? Maybe. Could it be that I had even lower test before the cycle? Highly doubtful.

It's also worth mentioning that my sexual ability was poor and desire was low during my cycle. I wasn't (and still am not) ready to necessarliy blame that on Triazole, as I have had desire problems for several years, and bad sex always occurs when I force myself to engage without the proper level of desire. However it is worth mentioning, because even if it was just my regular period of low desire, Triazole sure as hell didn't make it any better.

So I'm just putting that out there. Some people swear by the stuff, but it wasn't for me. I just figured I'd give members my take on it and let them make up their own minds about taking it. I don't think I have anything to add but am willing to answer any questions.

Thanks for the heads up. So many products that promise an elevation in testosterone do the exact opposite. Stuck with the sure fire winners. UNLEASHED after cycle. HCGen while on. And BRIDGE all the rest of the time. You can't go wrong.

 

[goin on 4T]

Thanks for the heads up. So many products that promise an elevation in testosterone do the exact opposite. Stuck with the sure fire winners. UNLEASHED after cycle. HCGen while on. And BRIDGE all the rest of the time. You can't go wrong.

Wow I am still amazed this product could have fucked this kid up this bad!
Probably no product liability?


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[Gorilla-Pharma]

Wow I am still amazed this product could have fucked this kid up this bad!
Probably no product liability?


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I personally don't think it did, his story is missing alot. And I would imagine a doctor would perform all blood tests and look at the whole situation before prescribing TRT. Unlike what he said just went in told doc the story and he checked test levels and BAM put me on TRT.....not likely.

 

[stevesmi]

Ok man thanks I appreciate your guys help. Would a pct even be beneficial this far out from taking triazole? I'm not sure how that works. Can I get a list put together on the things you guys think I should try so I can research it? My libido was great before triazole. I found one other story of someone saying triazole destroyed their libido but all the other reviews were ranting and raving.

Am I gonna be more fucked up than I was in the first place now that my body's used to synthetic testosterone? I wish I knew more about this. I could more helpful advise from weightlifters than doctors that have been in school half their life. Docs just don't give a shit they want you in and out

doctors don't know anything about AAS or pro hormones unless they are juicers themselves

this is what you do.

. follow what i write to a tee, please don't try and cut corners.. follow it exactly..

stop the test
start taking hcg 500iu's every 3-4 days for 2 weeks, then take it 1000iu's every 3-4 days for 2 more weeks. (find an online pharmacy that sells it)
take 2-3 hits of HMG spread out over the course of 1 week(online pharmacy)

then take the following together as i list
clomid 12.5mg a day for 3 weeks (chemical need.com)
hcgenerate 2 caps 2 caps per day until a bottle is gone (needtobuildmuscle.com)_

then take
unleashed with DAA.. finish the bottle and tub (needtobuildmuscle.com)

wait 2 weeks.. if you aren't feeling better then repeat the PCT all over again.

 

[goin on 4T]

I personally don't think it did, his story is missing alot. And I would imagine a doctor would perform all blood tests and look at the whole situation before prescribing TRT. Unlike what he said just went in told doc the story and he checked test levels and BAM put me on TRT.....not likely.

Yeah bloods tests are not like strep throat test that's done in 20 min. Plus there is much more to a hormone panel than just test.
Would have been good if could have gotten his labs results to post.


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[mxrider47]

All I did was have my family doc fax my urologist my total test level and he prescribed me. There isn't anymore to that


And Steve could you dumb that up for me I'm not familiar with all the acronyms. My bloodwork results just came in today I'll post em up when I get a chance

 

[rustilldown]

you said it yourself.. you had a bad relationship and you lost your confidence.. boom end of story you have your answer.

you can take all the test cyp in the world and it wont fix it. its called going through a bad breakup, but these days we gotta jump on 5 different mood enhancement drugs plus go on HRT forever..(thats what society has become, NOT a generational thing but a society thing)

been there, done that. get off the cyp.. run a pct. and then start practicing meditation/yoga, prayer, something to get your head on straight. stop taking girls so seriously you are only 23 dating girls who are still running getting fucked and chucked by every guy they meet drunk at their college. once you get into your 30's or 40's you can find the right girl. really this thread isn't even about AAS, its about a young man who had a woman rip his heart out and steal his thunder.... all of us unless we were ugly or shy at your age has been through that crap, and i'm in my 30's and it still sucks if a girl screws me over.. you gotta get through it without the use of drugs or hormones because they will be habit forming/addictive and they will not necessarily help you (as you can see by the test cyp not helping)

This is so correct. Been there once before also. It's all In the head the majority of the time. If you have no confidence and are constantly thinking oh I hope I can get it up for this babe, 99% of the time you will NOt be able to perform.

 

[Aplopez8]

That's not a solution.

The problem can be in part psychological, which also can have a physiological effect on T levels. Triazole will lower estrogen, which can also affect libido. I say, go with a double dosing of UNLEASHED for a month. If that doesn't help, nothing will.

Lol nothing?

 

[rustilldown]

Triazol actually works half decent

 

[callmejay]

doctors don't know anything about AAS or pro hormones unless they are juicers themselves

this is what you do.

. follow what i write to a tee, please don't try and cut corners.. follow it exactly..

stop the test
start taking hcg 500iu's every 3-4 days for 2 weeks, then take it 1000iu's every 3-4 days for 2 more weeks. (find an online pharmacy that sells it)
take 2-3 hits of HMG spread out over the course of 1 week(online pharmacy)

then take the following together as i list
clomid 12.5mg a day for 3 weeks (chemical need.com)
hcgenerate 2 caps 2 caps per day until a bottle is gone (needtobuildmuscle.com)_

then take
unleashed with DAA.. finish the bottle and tub (needtobuildmuscle.com)

wait 2 weeks.. if you aren't feeling better then repeat the PCT all over again.

This is great advice. It covers everything, LH (hcg, hcgenerate), FSH (hmg), free test (unleashed), total test (clomid, hcgenerate)...

The PCT above is going to run you I'd say ~$400-$500. A big chunk of that cost coming from HMG, which is more expensive and challenging to obtain than everything else listed. I don't know how much pharma-grade test costs without insurance but I cannot imagine it is cheap. Please heed Steve's advice and run this PCT. It's worth a shot.

I would recommend full bloodwork 2-3 weeks after the PCT - lipids, liver, everything + estrogen, test, free test, fsh, lh, etc...post the results here.

Good luck bro

 

[callmejay]

Here's how I read Steve's PCT, feel free to make corrections.

Steve, why only a week of hmg?

Step 1: Stop test cyp injections.
Day 1-14: HCG 500iu's every 3 days (search ef & Youtube for instructions on mixing and using HCG)
Day 15-28: HCG 1000iu's every 3 days
Day 14-21: HMG 75iu every other day
Day 21-42: clomid 12.5mg/ed
Day 21-: hcgenerate, unleashed, daa - until finished

 

[mxrider47]

ok my results are in and its not what i was hoping for...

total test is 884.

free test is 25

FSH is less than .1 and normal range is .7-11.1 (dont even know what that is)

CBC/Thyroid is "normal" whatever that may be.

Dont know if estrogen was on there but to me those #'s look great which is not what I was hoping for because now im totally lost. I still refuse to beleive that its mental, I feel like thats as if I walked into a hospital with bones sticking out of my skin and they tell me Im just thinking too much about it. If it was a fluke, or even maybe just a few weeks I could accept that it was in my head. But a fuckin year? And for this to happen out of the blue leaves me more puzzled. I am just reading these values from a picture mail off my phone so I may be missing something.

The only clue I have is I was on and off triazole when this started so thats what I keep coming back to. I think I might actually cry if I drop that much money on a PCT and it doesnt help.

 

[callmejay]

ok my results are in and its not what i was hoping for...

total test is 884.

free test is 25

FSH is less than .1 and normal range is .7-11.1 (dont even know what that is)

CBC/Thyroid is "normal" whatever that may be.

Dont know if estrogen was on there but to me those #'s look great which is not what I was hoping for because now im totally lost. I still refuse to beleive that its mental, I feel like thats as if I walked into a hospital with bones sticking out of my skin and they tell me Im just thinking too much about it. If it was a fluke, or even maybe just a few weeks I could accept that it was in my head. But a fuckin year? And for this to happen out of the blue leaves me more puzzled. I am just reading these values from a picture mail off my phone so I may be missing something.

The only clue I have is I was on and off triazole when this started so thats what I keep coming back to. I think I might actually cry if I drop that much money on a PCT and it doesnt help.

You'll cry over $400? My estimate was on the high end, but if you spend $2,000/year on the 6 month implants x 60 that's $120,000+ you'll spend on trt for the rest of your life...and it's not even solving your problem! Your test is on the normal-high range now and you still have the same issue that led you to trt in the first place.

It's financially irresponsible NOT to try a good PCT.

It is possible you have low test + clinical erectile dysfunction. Let's try to solve the low test problem with a good PCT first and if the ED is still there, then there is always viagra or cialis.

We're here to support you bro, let us know what questions you have any people much smarter than me are happy to help. I urge you to keep an open mind and look at TRT as the last resort.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Most definitely, and with normal to high test levels the problem is still there??? So get off the TRT, run a good PCT like what Steve laid out and move on to the core of the problem. You now know its not your testosterone level......

You'll cry over $400? My estimate was on the high end, but if you spend $2,000/year on the 6 month implants x 60 that's $120,000+ you'll spend on trt for the rest of your life...and it's not even solving your problem! Your test is on the normal-high range now and you still have the same issue that led you to trt in the first place.

It's financially irresponsible NOT to try a good PCT.

It is possible you have low test + clinical erectile dysfunction. Let's try to solve the low test problem with a good PCT first and if the ED is still there, then there is always viagra or cialis.

We're here to support you bro, let us know what questions you have any people much smarter than me are happy to help. I urge you to keep an open mind and look at TRT as the last resort.

 

[stevesmi]

Here's how I read Steve's PCT, feel free to make corrections.

Steve, why only a week of hmg?

Step 1: Stop test cyp injections.
Day 1-14: HCG 500iu's every 3 days (search ef & Youtube for instructions on mixing and using HCG)
Day 15-28: HCG 1000iu's every 3 days
Day 14-21: HMG 75iu every other day
Day 21-42: clomid 12.5mg/ed
Day 21-: hcgenerate, unleashed, daa - until finished

each shot of HMG is gonna cost about 25 bucks.. so if he ran it longer than that it would be costly.. hcg is way cheaper after being constituted ... HMG should become cheaper in time I hope

that would work but i would run clomid and hcgenerate together.. then stack unleashed DAA by themselves to extend things further. HMG would only be 2-3 hits total because of the costs. running it the same week as he is running hcg so they are stacked together is a great weapon to wake up his LH

 

[stevesmi]

ok my results are in and its not what i was hoping for...

total test is 884.

free test is 25

FSH is less than .1 and normal range is .7-11.1 (dont even know what that is)

CBC/Thyroid is "normal" whatever that may be.

Dont know if estrogen was on there but to me those #'s look great which is not what I was hoping for because now im totally lost. I still refuse to beleive that its mental, I feel like thats as if I walked into a hospital with bones sticking out of my skin and they tell me Im just thinking too much about it. If it was a fluke, or even maybe just a few weeks I could accept that it was in my head. But a fuckin year? And for this to happen out of the blue leaves me more puzzled. I am just reading these values from a picture mail off my phone so I may be missing something.

The only clue I have is I was on and off triazole when this started so thats what I keep coming back to. I think I might actually cry if I drop that much money on a PCT and it doesnt help.

your bloods are exactly what I said they would be.. okay now we know your test is legit as I told you already. your FSH is pretty much at 0.. and your LH which you didn't tell us is probably near 0 as well.. meaning you are shutdown. totally normal results considering you are on test.

the PCT i laid out for you will work, I wouldn't of posted it if I wasn't confident that it wouldn't work. I was once suppressed hard after a deca cycle. my T was at 98 and I ran this exact PCT. afterwards my T went up to 400 and kept going higher.

 

[mxrider47]

Ok fellas I'm not discarding anyone's info here. I just don't want to be a walkin pharmacy. If a supplement has a shitty side effect I will feel it x10. Can I get some brand suggestions so I can't come back and say hey man it didn't work then hear "Maaaan you got THAT crap?!"

I'm curious to see if any of the urologists advice will match yours

 

[callmejay]

Ok fellas I'm not discarding anyone's info here. I just don't want to be a walkin pharmacy. If a supplement has a shitty side effect I will feel it x10. Can I get some brand suggestions so I can't come back and say hey man it didn't work then hear "Maaaan you got THAT crap?!"

I'm curious to see if any of the urologists advice will match yours

As Steve already suggested: chemicalneed.com for the clomid; hmg and hcg you'll have to find on your own because we don't share sources publicly; and needtobuildmuscle.com has you covered for everything else.

Your urologist may give you a similar plan if you tell him/her that you want to stop trt and attempt to recover your natural levels. Did they talk with you about how to get off trt yet?

You need to give your doc all of the information if you want accurate advice. Tell them about the triazole and ed issues.

With that said, I wouldn't count on hearing the same thing from a urologist. I have a feeling they'll throw some viagra at it and call it solved. First of all, a urologist and endocrinologist are two very different specialties. You should be working with an endo for trt. Second, many non-specialists aren't as educated on getting people OFF trt.

Find a specialist, give them this layout and gauge their reaction.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yeah docs don't make money fixing the issue, they make money coating the issue and having the person keep coming back.

the worst offenders of this are dermatologists. it amazes me how many friends of mine go to one because of problems when they shave.. when they can buy MAGIC from any drug store for $5 and use that instead. but the dermatologist puts them on drugs and has them keep coming back. one of the biggest scams i have ever seen

 

[mxrider47]

need to build muscle out of stock on unleashed and post cycle. who else?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ use DAA until its back.

 

[mxrider47]

Ok fellas I snagged up some daa, post cycle and unleashed. Gonna get my clomid, hcg n hmg this weekend.

Got another ? My testicles have had a full ache for a while now nothin to bring me to my knees but it certainly isn't normal. Nothing else has changed since my last post just wanted to see what you all thought about that