Eating Raw/Vegan while on Juice....

[colorado1975]

Hi Guys,
Any of you eaten raw/vegan while on cycle? If so, how did it go? Were you able to get the protien you needed? Any supplements you consider a must if doing so? I am on a cutting cycle of Test/Tren/Mast and going raw/vegan (only exception is raw fish).
Thanks!

 

[stevesmi]

it is a myth that you MUST get a certain amount of protein on cycle or whatever.. the myth is probably derived from those that use insulin to shuttle nutrients into the muscle. for everyone else its just not plausible to down 500g of protein a day and expect it to magically get pumped into the muscle like popeye

i would say this type of diet would help you cut very well, not hurt. fish is an excellent source of protein and omega's as well. I like that diet a lot and would recommend something like that especially for anyone trying to cut down.

I do believe however that soy is a no-go.. ever see what those guys in sushi bars look like? they are skinny as a rail. I think soy should be avoided. so go vegan, but stay away from soy.. you can do that believe it or not.. i don't believe soy to be healthy nor do i think its good for someone trying to build muscle. its a stretch but i do believe that it does raise estrogen in men. i don't have any evidence or studies to prove that on me, but just look at what those sushi loving men look like!!

 

[redsamurai]

i do eat some technically "raw" food but it's not the staple of my diet and i've been vegetarian for about a year now. There's plenty of vegetable protein out there in beans, mushrooms and certain types of grains. While i havne't juiced in awhile, last time was well before i went vegan, i don't see why roids cares whether you're getting animal or vegetable proteins.

 

[colorado1975]

it is a myth that you MUST get a certain amount of protein on cycle or whatever.. the myth is probably derived from those that use insulin to shuttle nutrients into the muscle. for everyone else its just not plausible to down 500g of protein a day and expect it to magically get pumped into the muscle like popeye

i would say this type of diet would help you cut very well, not hurt. fish is an excellent source of protein and omega's as well. I like that diet a lot and would recommend something like that especially for anyone trying to cut down.

I do believe however that soy is a no-go.. ever see what those guys in sushi bars look like? they are skinny as a rail. I think soy should be avoided. so go vegan, but stay away from soy.. you can do that believe it or not.. i don't believe soy to be healthy nor do i think its good for someone trying to build muscle. its a stretch but i do believe that it does raise estrogen in men. i don't have any evidence or studies to prove that on me, but just look at what those sushi loving men look like!!

Thank you! Much apprecaited! I'm def trying to cut so this is good to hear. I havent heard much about negging soy but this too is good to hear!

 

[redsamurai]

yeah i read a study not too long ago that soy inhibited either the production of test or it bound it, something to that effect. So not good for free circulating test .

 

[Ezskankens]

I eat some raw food sometimes.

 

[colorado1975]

I eat some raw food sometimes.

huh....sometimes I eat carrots??

 

[RADAR]

Certain uncooked foods should be avoided or cooked due to parasites and the presence of E coli
as far as soy ,it's a complete protein compairable to animal protein,Soy May help reduce the risk of heart disease,remember tho protein sources should come from a large vareity of foods and not just one single Choice.

 

[digit0x]

it is a myth that you MUST get a certain amount of protein on cycle or whatever.. the myth is probably derived from those that use insulin to shuttle nutrients into the muscle. for everyone else its just not plausible to down 500g of protein a day and expect it to magically get pumped into the muscle like popeye

i would say this type of diet would help you cut very well, not hurt. fish is an excellent source of protein and omega's as well. I like that diet a lot and would recommend something like that especially for anyone trying to cut down.

I do believe however that soy is a no-go.. ever see what those guys in sushi bars look like? they are skinny as a rail. I think soy should be avoided. so go vegan, but stay away from soy.. you can do that believe it or not.. i don't believe soy to be healthy nor do i think its good for someone trying to build muscle. its a stretch but i do believe that it does raise estrogen in men. i don't have any evidence or studies to prove that on me, but just look at what those sushi loving men look like!!

I thought I stumbled on some studies supporting what you're saying.

 

[mstiles87]

The only cases of sit raising estrogen in men is when it is Inested in large quantities over and extended period of time. Takin this from my fiancé who is an rd

 

[muscleaddiction]

yeah i read a study not too long ago that soy inhibited either the production of test or it bound it, something to that effect. So not good for free circulating test .

They say that soy is the highest pesticide ridden crop which we all know that for men pesticides can raise estrogen.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using EliteFitness

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ that may explain it.

in any event if you eat sushi in a restaurant you are likely getting the bottom of the barrel fish soaked in soybean oil. soybean oil is one of the 3 things that should be avoided.

the other 2 are high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oil. the 3 are bad bad bad for the heart and will make you gain fat. everyone should right now go to their pantry and find if you have anything that have any of these 3 in them and throw them out!!

people who strive for health MUST learn to cook on their own with ingredients that are carefully picked, gotta read the labels and be smart. I don't trust anything from restaurants, i have grown to hate eating at them. would much rather cook myself so i know what i am eating!

OP I would definately add cage free eggs to your diet too if you go that route. and you will be in good shape.

 

[muscleaddiction]

^^^ that may explain it.

in any event if you eat sushi in a restaurant you are likely getting the bottom of the barrel fish soaked in soybean oil. soybean oil is one of the 3 things that should be avoided.

the other 2 are high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oil. the 3 are bad bad bad for the heart and will make you gain fat. everyone should right now go to their pantry and find if you have anything that have any of these 3 in them and throw them out!!

people who strive for health MUST learn to cook on their own with ingredients that are carefully picked, gotta read the labels and be smart. I don't trust anything from restaurants, i have grown to hate eating at them. would much rather cook myself so i know what i am eating!

OP I would definately add cage free eggs to your diet too if you go that route. and you will be in good shape.

Steve and I share the exact same views on proper nutrition...and he is spot on!

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using EliteFitness

 

[RADAR]

Steve and I share the exact same views on proper nutrition...and he is spot on!

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using EliteFitness

I share those exact same views

 

[redsamurai]

^^^ that may explain it.

in any event if you eat sushi in a restaurant you are likely getting the bottom of the barrel fish soaked in soybean oil. soybean oil is one of the 3 things that should be avoided.

the other 2 are high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oil. the 3 are bad bad bad for the heart and will make you gain fat. everyone should right now go to their pantry and find if you have anything that have any of these 3 in them and throw them out!!

people who strive for health MUST learn to cook on their own with ingredients that are carefully picked, gotta read the labels and be smart. I don't trust anything from restaurants, i have grown to hate eating at them. would much rather cook myself so i know what i am eating!

OP I would definately add cage free eggs to your diet too if you go that route. and you will be in good shape.

absfuckinglutely^^^

honestly i don't feel right anymore after eating at restaurants, even though i'm getting all vegetarian/pescatarian stuff. There's something cheap they're using and it doesn't sit right with me.

 

[Headholio]

. its a stretch but i do believe that it does raise estrogen in men. i don't have any evidence or studies to prove that on me, but just look at what those sushi loving men look like!!

The data seems to be mixed on this topic. I think large amounts of soy can mess with test/estrogen, but in normal occasional doses is probably nothing to be concerned about, and has some positive health benefits as well (on blood lipids for example).

Soy lowers T:
Hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction asso... [Nutrition. 2011 Jul-Aug] - PubMed - NCBI

Isoflavone supplements stimula... [Prostate Cancer Prostatic Dis. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI

Soy doesn't lower T:

Soybean isoflavone exposure does not have femi... [Fertil Steril. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

Clinical studies show no effects of soy protei... [Fertil Steril. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

Effect of Soy Protein on Testosterone Levels

Effect of protein source and resistanc... [J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI

 

[burnthiscorpse]

While I disagree with not eating meat and think its unhealthy long term.....I will stay off that argument and just interject that I agree with Steve.....soy is awful. Avoid soy bro.

 

[stevesmi]

The data seems to be mixed on this topic. I think large amounts of soy can mess with test/estrogen, but in normal occasional doses is probably nothing to be concerned about, and has some positive health benefits as well (on blood lipids for example).

Soy lowers T:
Hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction asso... [Nutrition. 2011 Jul-Aug] - PubMed - NCBI

Isoflavone supplements stimula... [Prostate Cancer Prostatic Dis. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI

Soy doesn't lower T:

Soybean isoflavone exposure does not have femi... [Fertil Steril. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

Clinical studies show no effects of soy protei... [Fertil Steril. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

Effect of Soy Protein on Testosterone Levels

Effect of protein source and resistanc... [J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI

problem is that sushi and a lot of tofu out there has soybean oil, and not organic soybeans. thats why people need to read the ingredients. when you eat at a restaurant you have no idea what they are putting in.

i know for sure soybean oil is a major no no when it comes to fitness. organic soybeans could be fine as you wrote i won't doubt that..

 

[stevesmi]

absfuckinglutely^^^

honestly i don't feel right anymore after eating at restaurants, even though i'm getting all vegetarian/pescatarian stuff. There's something cheap they're using and it doesn't sit right with me.

well from people i know that work in that industry they use a lot of oils, butters, fried fats, etc. its definately gonna hit you hard after eating there.. those that eat that kind of food frequently just adapt to it and their bodies adjust, that would explain the obesity epidemic. I avoid at the very least chain restaurants for that reason. they are all about squeezing a profit by using inferior ingredients in their food and most people just don't care that they are eating slop for $12 a plate as long as they can be lazy and not have to cook

 

[muscleaddiction]

It is the fact that soy is the most pesticide ridden crop...the chemicals used in pesticides are poison and toxic, and cause hormonal imbalance, and in men creates high estrogen levels from what I seen in a documentary...I will have to find it and post the link, but it was in regards to Monsanto.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using EliteFitness

 

[redsamurai]

While I disagree with not eating meat and think its unhealthy long term.....I will stay off that argument and just interject that I agree with Steve.....soy is awful. Avoid soy bro.

i used to think the same way till I stopped eating meat. I'm not militant about it, like for St.Patty's day i went to a relative's and aint some corn beef...no big deal i'm not gonna be "that guy" that goes to family function and sits there thumbing his nose up at the food. But that's pretty much the only meat i've eaten since last january, had a little piece of chicken at a Browns tailgate a few weeks ago....and that's it. Haven't felt better in my life. I'm starting to beleive in the eat for your bloodtype concept because some people feel like absolute shit if they don't eat meat, completely opposite from me. So I really do think it's a to each his own kind of deal. If the microbes in your stomach aren't liking meat anymore for whatever biological reason.....than you pretty much can't meat anymore cause you won't properly digest it.