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Arimidex- and HCG-doses for my cycle?

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Janejja

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Hi. I'm going on a 15 week cycle soon looking like this:

Week 1-15: Test Prop 100mg ED
Week 5-10: Dbol 20mg ED

I have HCG and Arimidex on hand and want to runt small/moderate doses of each to help prevent gyno and to not shut myself down too much.

And before you say anything about it: no, I won't reconsider the HCG/Arimidex.

My questions are:

How much HCG per week do you recommend for my cycle? And should I up the dose while on dbol? And how should I administer the shots? I've heard 500ui e3d. Any good?

How much Arimidex for my cycle? And I'm only taking it to prevent gyno while on the cycle. And should I up the dose while on dbol? I've heard 0,25mg EOD if I'm on test only. What do you guys recommend?
 
how many cycles have you ran in the past? you are not going to make it 15 weeks on prop... why are you not running dbol at the start of the cycle? the way your running it doesn't make any sense... why dbol? what is your goal here?
 
dylangemelli said:
how many cycles have you ran in the past? you are not going to make it 15 weeks on prop... why are you not running dbol at the start of the cycle? the way your running it doesn't make any sense... why dbol? what is your goal here?
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2nd cycle.

Why am I not going to make it? How long will I/should I make it? Why dbol? Because I want to build mass!
 
have you pinned prop before? 8 weeks is a normal prop run... if you want to run test longer then run test e or cyp 12 weeks... kickstart the cycle with dbol the first four weeks... what was your first cycle?
 
dylangemelli said:
have you pinned prop before? 8 weeks is a normal prop run... if you want to run test longer then run test e or cyp 12 weeks... kickstart the cycle with dbol the first four weeks... what was your first cycle?
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I havent pinned before, no. This might sound douchy, but it doesnt matter to me what a normal test p run is. My question is this: will 15 weeks mess up my body more? If so, how? With a 6 week pct, I should be OK and not too shut down, right? So why cant I run 15 weeks even though most people dont? I mean, if I do 15 weeks, will my body stop putting on mass after 8-10 weeks? That sounds weird to me. So tell me, why not 15 week? And 8-10 weeks being a "normal cycle" is not an argument to me. Tell me for real what the problem is, apart from all the pinning.

Sorry if this sounded like im being a douche, thats not my intention.
 
You'll be better off running Test Cyp or Enanthate than Prop , Prop Criples me too much that my workouts suffer, also running it that long you'll be sick of feeling like a pin cushion.

You can start the HCG on week 4 at 500iu's a week thruout the cycle ,Adex at .25mg ED from the start of the cycle. Good luck.
 
Janejja said:
I havent pinned before, no. This might sound douchy, but it doesnt matter to me what a normal test p run is. My question is this: will 15 weeks mess up my body more? If so, how? With a 6 week pct, I should be OK and not too shut down, right? So why cant I run 15 weeks even though most people dont? I mean, if I do 15 weeks, will my body stop putting on mass after 8-10 weeks? That sounds weird to me. So tell me, why not 15 week? And 8-10 weeks being a "normal cycle" is not an argument to me. Tell me for real what the problem is, apart from all the pinning.

Sorry if this sounded like im being a douche, thats not my intention.
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To be honest... The way your coming across is disrespectful... Go ahead and try to run prop 15 weeks... Youve never pinned before yet you want to run a short estered test twice the amount of normal AND the PIP that you HAVE IDEA is going to feel like... You come across like a know it all yet you have no experience... Ive only been doing this a decade and have completely dedicated my life to it but you act like you know more so be my guest running prop that long... Dont come back complaining when you cant run it that long...


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dylangemelli said:
To be honest... The way your coming across is disrespectful... Go ahead and try to run prop 15 weeks... Youve never pinned before yet you want to run a short estered test twice the amount of normal AND the PIP that you HAVE IDEA is going to feel like... You come across like a know it all yet you have no experience... Ive only been doing this a decade and have completely dedicated my life to it but you act like you know more so be my guest running prop that long... Dont come back complaining when you cant run it that long...


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Like I said, it was NOT my intention to come off as a douchebag. And I do respect you and your advice. What I want to know is simply why I can't do it? Because of pinningpain or because running test P that long shuts me down too bad?
 
It will take longer to recover from a 15 week cycle than an 8 week cycle. And pinning prop everyday you will be in total body pain as the prop can be very irritating. One pin area could be sore for days and also difficult to work that body part out.
 
Janejja said:
Hi. I'm going on a 15 week cycle soon looking like this:

Week 1-15: Test Prop 100mg ED
Week 5-10: Dbol 20mg ED

I have HCG and Arimidex on hand and want to runt small/moderate doses of each to help prevent gyno and to not shut myself down too much.

And before you say anything about it: no, I won't reconsider the HCG/Arimidex.

My questions are:

How much HCG per week do you recommend for my cycle? And should I up the dose while on dbol? And how should I administer the shots? I've heard 500ui e3d. Any good?

How much Arimidex for my cycle? And I'm only taking it to prevent gyno while on the cycle. And should I up the dose while on dbol? I've heard 0,25mg EOD if I'm on test only. What do you guys recommend?
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You can run the HCG from the start or a few weeks out. Merit to either approach. If you're using prop I would actually suggest starting after the first week because you'll be completely shut down a lot faster.

I'd listen to Dylan's advice. 15 weeks is exceptionally long for prop and completely unnecessary. You will improve recovery time and have just as successful of a cycle - if not more successful - by running the dbol on the front-end and a longer ester test.

Dbol is strong enough to stand on it's own and doesn't need the support of test like other, more mild orals. What Dylan is suggesting is very standard, and it's standard because it works best.

You will probably want more adex while running dbol, but when you're on test only you can probably get away with .25 eod and up it if needed. Just listen to your body.
 
callmejay said:
You can run the HCG from the start or a few weeks out. Merit to either approach. If you're using prop I would actually suggest starting after the first week because you'll be completely shut down a lot faster.

I'd listen to Dylan's advice. 15 weeks is exceptionally long for prop and completely unnecessary. You will improve recovery time and have just as successful of a cycle - if not more successful - by running the dbol on the front-end and a longer ester test.

Dbol is strong enough to stand on it's own and doesn't need the support of test like other, more mild orals. What Dylan is suggesting is very standard, and it's standard because it works best.

You will probably want more adex while running dbol, but when you're on test only you can probably get away with .25 eod and up it if needed. Just listen to your body.
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very well said...
 
Janejja said:
Why 150 and not 200?
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Its unnecessary thats why! You have never even ran a cycle and now your wanting to run doses of test that veterans run... You have no idea how your body will react and theres not going to be any difference in the gains... All your doing is pumping yourself full of more test which will suppress you further and make recovery longer..


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dylangemelli said:
Its unnecessary thats why! You have never even ran a cycle and now your wanting to run doses of test that veterans run... You have no idea how your body will react and theres not going to be any difference in the gains... All your doing is pumping yourself full of more test which will suppress you further and make recovery longer..


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I have run a cycle but not an inject cycle.

But OK, 150 EOD it is then :) I want to go for at least 10 weeks, would that be ok?

And also, I'm throwing in a dbol blast for mass as well along with evert liver protecting drug money can buy (liv52, milk thistle etc). Could you recommend the dbol dose and how long to run it? Also at what week to start it?
 
week 1-4 30 mg day... no need to exceed that and make sure you are running an ai with it... you can run prop for ten weeks but i would not go any longer than that...
 
dylangemelli said:
Yeah its unnecessary ! Good luck man


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Ok thanks :)

So, how about this then?

Week 1-10 prop 150mg eod
Week 1-4 dbol 30mg ed
Week 1-4 adex 0,5mg ed
Week 5-10 adex 0,25mg ed
Week 1-10 HCG 400ui e3d

PCT:

Week 1-4: 20mg nolva ed
Week 1-4: adex 0,25mg ed


Any good?
 
Janejja said:
Ok thanks :)

So, how about this then?

Week 1-10 prop 150mg eod
Week 1-4 dbol 30mg ed
Week 1-4 adex 0,5mg ed
Week 5-10 adex 0,25mg ed
Week 1-10 HCG 400ui e3d

PCT:

Week 1-4: 20mg nolva ed
Week 1-4: adex 0,25mg ed


Any good?
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No... You dont need adex ed... .5 mg eod... Bro your pct is horrible... Nolva is complete garbage...

Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed/post cycle combo
Forma stanzol
Daa powerchews or powder


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You can start the HCG on week 6 and don't need to start it right away.

Keep the DBOL to 4 weeks because it's toxic.

I'm on my fourth week of eod injections of test Prop and am sore everyday from it. I've also run several injectable cycles and don't get anywhere near the pain and sides that 99% of the guys on here get, as those who know me can attest.

Listening to vets is a good way to be successful with your endeavor. I'm going to be the 3rd person on this young thread to recommend a longer estered test (if you do, go for a longer run).
 
dylangemelli said:
No... You dont need adex ed... .5 mg eod... Bro your pct is horrible... Nolva is complete garbage...

Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed/post cycle combo
Forma stanzol
Daa powerchews or powder


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Dylan's PCT is exactly how I would run it but with HCG.
 
Janejja said:
Learn what the hard way? Be specific
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Bro ive given you all the help and advice i can throughout... You have it in your head that longer is better so you just need to learn on your own... Youll find out soon enough with the injection pain.. I am getting so frustrated with you questioning every piece of advice youve been given... Ive done all i can with you... Good luck


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Holly shit. Did this kid do any fucking research? Dylan has laid out the whole cycle for you. You are crazy for not listening on the prop pain. Go with Cyp or eth. Some of the best gurus have offered advice and you are not listening.
 
nelson_303 said:
Holly shit. Did this kid do any fucking research? Dylan has laid out the whole cycle for you. You are crazy for not listening on the prop pain. Go with Cyp or eth. Some of the best gurus have offered advice and you are not listening.
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The thing is, I already have the prop on hand. So, it's gonna have to be 10 weeks of 150mg EOD.
 
Janejja said:
The thing is, I already have the prop on hand. So, it's gonna have to be 10 weeks of 150mg EOD.
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Enjoy the cycle then, I'm sure it's going to be an unpleasant one,You could save that and use it as a 4 week jump start on a longer cycle, but I guess you'll learn the hard way! Good luck!
 
Just go with 100 EOD. When I run prop I still gain off of that. Why jump in balls deep? Tread carefully and up the dose halfway through if you are not gaining like you want. Stop second guessing all of the vets here. You come in for advice then question all of the advice given. It's given for a reason. If you are hell bent on the dbol for 6 weeks, maybe try this. 1-4 30 mgs, 8-10 30 mgs so your body gets a break and you can still finish the cycle strong with a nice boost. But 150 mgs EOD of legit prop is going to blow you up anyways. I suggest starting at 100EOD. Warm your needle under Hott water with the oil in it before you pin. I have run prop 12 weeks before EOD and eliminated most pain by warming the needle and sometimes cutting it with a little eq but let's not even go there. Goodluck and remember more isn't always better. Too much gear and you will feel like shit.


Ride it like you stole it!!
 
he hasnt done any research and can learn these questions/arnswers elsewhere, but i dont think hes challenging you or second guessing your info guys he seems curious and maybe a little lazy(not searching 4 himself) but when you've got a load of you vets in a persons thread it makes sense to ask varied questions as everbody is different/opinion vary and alot of advice can condratict each other from post to post in other threads etc. always nice to know Why ? and understand a topic rather than following somethng blindly and not being able to adapt and understand its uses and suit it to your own needs, just my opinion.
least hes taking interest and asking why and not what.
No disrepect to anyone most of you have helped me shitloads in the last year whether intentionally or not.
nick
 
RADAR said:
Enjoy the cycle then, I'm sure it's going to be an unpleasant one,You could save that and use it as a 4 week jump start on a longer cycle, but I guess you'll learn the hard way! Good luck!
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It's gonna suck ass! But hey, I'll wisen up for my next one ;) lol althougj i have like twice the amount of prop I need :P
 
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