Interesting facts (truth)coming out about Trayvon

[WoodyO]

I have a CCW issued by the San Diego sheriffs office. I've been through the training and I already posted the 20 page application I had to fill out. I'm allowed to carry three concealed weapons in the most unfriendly state for gun owners & I've never heard of anything like what you are saying RS.

 

[jnevin]

So plunkey..now we have someone in this thread who's actually been through CW training and is posting what he was taught. Are you going to continue your line of arguing despite not having done one sentence of your own research and basically blowing it out your ass yet again. The notion that the law would treat armed and unarmed conflicts the same should strike the normal rational person as utterly absurd. Why on earth would you think that your individual responsability while armed amounts to the same as if you were walking down the street unarmed and skipping like a fag? It's precisely people like you that shouldn't be allowed to really have any sort of firearm at all let alone be able to conceal. You don't get it, you don't get the responsability. Do you feel that if you can walk around in a video game with an assault rifle that what's the big deal with this whole CW thing? I'm all for citizens being armed until it comes down to people like you who think it's just another free market right that comes with as much responsability as walking down teh street with an ice cream cone.

You take things too literally and der plunkenheimer states things bare bones. He wins your debates because he's an effective debater. While you mean well you go off on tangents and lose your point in the process. While you mean well he effectively shoots you down, but he obviously enjoys your input.

Fuck this shit, I have a pinup girl coming over soon. I'll post pics if she lets me take them.

 

[redsamurai]

I have a CCW issued by the San Diego sheriffs office. I've been through the training and I already posted the 20 page application I had to fill out. I'm allowed to carry three concealed weapons in the most unfriendly state for gun owners & I've never heard of anything like what you are saying RS.

woody you posted the application, i saw nothing about rules. I posted the laws specific to OH CCW, straight from the AG's website. Those were copy and pasted segments. What you posted showed where you put your name and address in when you're filing for an application, obviously there is a supplemental handbook that came with your liscense....try posting that.

And you've heard nothing about the duty to try to retreat? I find that hard to beleive...even in FL SYG ruling you have to match force. So you have to show you reasonably expected great bodily harm. THat's why I was surprised about the case that was posted about the dude who jumped in the back of the truck and verbally threatened the guys life and said he had a gun. So based off what you've been saying, how would that guy have been found criminally negligent by shooting the guy who jumped in his truck...which is a vehicle and covered under CD?

 

[redsamurai]

because he's an effective debater. While you mean well you go off on tangents and lose your point in the process. .

what tangent have I gone off on? He's just wrong and did no research of his own. That's what he always does and no one calls him on it but me and a few other people. Yes, he is quite an effective debater because the way he talks makes it sound like he "knows". But you press him and the insults come out...and then the real tangents start. If that's "winning" than i guess our definition of win is different. In this case I've stuck on point have I not? I knew from the beginning there absolutely was a greater duty imposed on people to try to withdraw from conflicts while armed then not...

 

[jnevin]

what tangent have I gone off on? He's just wrong and did no research of his own. That's what he always does and no one calls him on it but me and a few other people. Yes, he is quite an effective debater because the way he talks makes it sound like he "knows". But you press him and the insults come out...and then the real tangents start. If that's "winning" than i guess our definition of win is different. In this case I've stuck on point have I not? I knew from the beginning there absolutely was a greater duty imposed on people to try to withdraw from conflicts while armed then not...

In a real debate there is a point that is argued. Plain and simple. Plunky is very effective, technically, because he focuses on one point of the debate and he is very thorough. You try to cover too much ground (I think you do well, but it's usually an argument that is very broad). He sticks to hi9s guns and technically wins. I think you both mean well and challenge each other to a degree, but it's obvious that you let him frustrate you.

 

[themondtster]

wow so the dude jumps into the back of his truck and verbally threatens deadly force and they still prosecuted the guy? that doesn't sound just whatsoever. Your vehicle is considered like your house from what i've been reading so i thought CD would apply in a situation like that.

That's why everyone was so surprised. He actually jumped in the passenger door and told the driver to get out or he would shoot so driver shot first. Just couldn't prove what happened. So instead of murder they felt justified by giving him manslaughter. He family sure didn't think it was.

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[redsamurai]

That's why everyone was so surprised. He actually jumped in the passenger door and told the driver to get out or he would shoot so driver shot first. Just couldn't prove what happened. So instead of murder they felt justified by giving him manslaughter. He family sure didn't think it was.

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oh i thought he jumped in the back...he actually jumped in the passenger side seat? dude what state do you live in that is insane. I mean fuck that situation sounds like what you need a gun for in the first place...if the fact he jumped into the car wasn't debated, how in teh world....??

 

[redsamurai]

In a real debate there is a point that is argued. Plain and simple. Plunky is very effective, technically, because he focuses on one point of the debate and he is very thorough. You try to cover too much ground (I think you do well, but it's usually an argument that is very broad). He sticks to hi9s guns and technically wins. I think you both mean well and challenge each other to a degree, but it's obvious that you let him frustrate you.

basically all he's said here is horseshit...offered no real analysis of his own based any research whatsoever. And now we have someone in teh thread who has gone through the CCW training.

 

[WoodyO]

woody you posted the application, i saw nothing about rules. I posted the laws specific to OH CCW, straight from the AG's website. Those were copy and pasted segments. What you posted showed where you put your name and address in when you're filing for an application, obviously there is a supplemental handbook that came with your liscense....try posting that.

And you've heard nothing about the duty to try to retreat? I find that hard to beleive...even in FL SYG ruling you have to match force. So you have to show you reasonably expected great bodily harm. THat's why I was surprised about the case that was posted about the dude who jumped in the back of the truck and verbally threatened the guys life and said he had a gun. So based off what you've been saying, how would that guy have been found criminally negligent by shooting the guy who jumped in his truck...which is a vehicle and covered under CD?

The application contains the rules and regulations. There are no separate bylaws or code of conduct other than a quick lecture basically telling you that you better be able to prove you or your family was in imminent danger, and a warning that you can still be charged with a crime or sued. Then there's the off- the-record comments telling you to make sure you shoot to kill to minimize a lawsuit.

That's all there is to it in San Diego. I'm betting it's about the same in most other states.

 

[jnevin]

basically all he's said here is horseshit...offered no real analysis of his own based any research whatsoever. And now we have someone in teh thread who has gone through the CCW training.

A real debate is based on cut and dry facts, not a slippery slope argument. You tend to go by interpretation, which doesn't apply in a real debate. That's why he sticks to his guns and that's why he wins.

Just sayin'