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My Anti-Gyno Run Results *With Pics*

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C.K.

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Alright I've gotten ALOT of emails about gyno reversal how I did it and for before and after pics so here they are - A lil disturbed about guys messaging me for nipple pics haha

This is a few weeks after my last cycle I used no anti estrogen and got crazy rebound a lump in the right nipple and huge puffiness in both.

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I ran 2.5 mgs letro am & pm (that is correct 5 mgs a day) & 1 mg prami pm... in one week the lump was gone and by week 2 the puffiness had subsided.

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I have naturally "larger" nipples but no they are not puffy neither is there a lump any more...

*NOTE* For my puberty gyno I used the same dose but it took a couple weeks more...

The sides are very bearable, muscle soreness, agression, BUT with prami and cialis your libido will be THROUGH THE ROOF! I like the combo so much that I run it during pct and cruise on it...
 
prami and cialis combo ?? hmmm

the libido hit is why i wont run letro anymore, but might try a lower dose..

I get prolactin build up, a little puffiness, so letro isn't really needed..

I thought you'd be taller?? jk

you at what ?? 6-8% bf ??

great job
 
I was using Letro 2.5 every day and saw a reduction in gyno and I looked good. I recently switched it to adex 1.0 every day and I'm not liking the way my nips are looking. You think I should just stick with the Letro? I don't want to be dependant on sildenafil...caber does a sick job though but I'm worried that too much letro will overcome that (which it hasn't but just worried since I have a young horny wifey in need lol)
 
Like I said with cialis and prami I have quite the opposite...
 
Does gyno always appear w puffy nips or is it also when u have slight soreness and bulbs under nips I think I'm prone to it but nips have never looked anything like that ?


Eat sleep train repeat
 
Post up a couple months after youre off the letro and stuff and let us know if gyno is still gone bro...
 
Question, if one has puffy nips but no lumps is that a form of gyno? I have had for a long time (since puberty) so wondering if it is puberty gyno that just stuck around.
 
CK is the man with gyno prevention.. all you newbies who are concerned with gyno pay close attention to what he says .. if you think you are gyno prone need to take precautions.. a lot of guys i've talked to get gyno and don't even know what it is!! they just assume its normal i guess or just ignore it.
 
Nice post CK. That is a great before and after. Everyone that even thinks they have gyno should look at your photos. Good job brother.. K
 
Ck u have some big nipples bro.. Haha just clowning a bit bro.. You look awesome tho man.. What's your bf% on the second pic? The first pic u look more cut to me..
 
Lol I've never gotten complaints from the ladies :p

I'm guesstimating around 8% at 5'11 190 lbs I want to get to 6% 200 lbs after next cycle and I will die happy :evil:

Letro does the job... I read that at 2.5 mgs ed it will eliminate up to 98% of estrogen in the body but what ever that extra 2.5 mgs does def gets the job done...
 
adamlson said:
Does gyno always appear w puffy nips or is it also when u have slight soreness and bulbs under nips I think I'm prone to it but nips have never looked anything like that
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LetsGrow said:
Question, if one has puffy nips but no lumps is that a form of gyno? I have had for a long time (since puberty) so wondering if it is puberty gyno that just stuck around.
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If you think you have gyno... 99% of the time you most probably have it. If there is anything lumpy or puffy or lactating yes that is gyno. If your nipples are rock hard stfu and stop complaining who the heck doesn't like rock hard nipples? Haha...
 
Thanks i got some from ar-r and all it did was kill my sex drive and make took a way a small about of sorness it was hell
 
a few weeks of no sex drive is worth not having retarted nipples for life
 
im coming up on week 2 of ck doseage plan and still got a lil bump should i got for another 2 and after i stop the letro and prami what should i do for the rebound plz help i want normal nips
 
I've heard a few pumps of formastanzol ed after stopping letro should prevent any rebound.


How good is Letrozole when compared with Aromasin (Exemestane) and Arimidex (Anastrozole), its primary rivals? Letrozole is 10-20x more potent than Anastrozole, and about as potent (but with a slightly different mechanism) as Exemestane. It also long-lasting. Letrozole has a whopping 2-4 day half-life, and youll need to take Letrozole for approximately 60 days (with wild variance of 2-6 weeks) to achieve a steady blood plasma level (8).
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OP if you don't mind me asking, what was your last cycle that you began to experience your Gyno symptoms? I am going to run a test e cycle at 500 mg's and have arimidex and aromasin on hand but now you made me wonder about getting letro as well.

Also ever since I was a teenager I've had softer puffy nipples, tend to accumulate fat in my lower chest, but no lump or anything of the sort, would you consider this gyno?
 
djjohnnied said:
OP if you don't mind me asking, what was your last cycle that you began to experience your Gyno symptoms? I am going to run a test e cycle at 500 mg's and have arimidex and aromasin on hand but now you made me wonder about getting letro as well.

Also ever since I was a teenager I've had softer puffy nipples, tend to accumulate fat in my lower chest, but no lump or anything of the sort, would you consider this gyno?
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Cycle was beast/kata/test/mast... had strong rebound from running no anti estro after... yes puffy nipples is gyno


bgbay said:
Nice work C.K. Did you use chemicalneed for your supplies?
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Yes sir :)
 
Ps: had a couple people message me that 5 mgs letro a day made a huge dif where 2.5 wouldn't so give it a shot guys
 
Hey C.K. I am pretty sure I have some puberty gyno. I have never gotten itchy nips or any estrogen sides on cycle and they have looked like this since I can remember which is why I believe it's puberty related gyno. I have no lump at all and it's not really noticeable to any one but me but my nips some what puff a little and to me some what look like they have a tiny fat deposits underneath them. I'm just wondering if you think running 5 mgs of letro a day would dry them up ... like you said everyone likes hard nips.
 
Srt8088 said:
Hey C.K. I am pretty sure I have some puberty gyno. I have never gotten itchy nips or any estrogen sides on cycle and they have looked like this since I can remember which is why I believe it's puberty related gyno. I have no lump at all and it's not really noticeable to any one but me but my nips some what puff a little and to me some what look like they have a tiny fat deposits underneath them. I'm just wondering if you think running 5 mgs of letro a day would dry them up ... like you said everyone likes hard nips.
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I have same thing so would like to know as well
 
So question, from what iv gained ck is your puberty gyno went away as well?? iv read so much that the hard lump from puberty isn't possible to remove unless surgery. Which now that iv been dropping bf% my one nipple is showing alot more and making me desperate to do surgery or perhaps your dose if it actually removes the hard lump too? thanks very much for the help

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sterolizer said:
What about their liquid prami? Any idea?
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Their prami is an oral as well. The taste isn't bad at all. It's better than their adex imo in taste. The shit works. My lil bro is having prolactin problems from when he was a teenager. He's 24 now and his gyno is almost gone. It's down probably 80% and he's been running .25mg prami every night and 1mg adex every day for the last 6 days. Today is day 7. All from chemneed.
 
How did you guys go about tapering down from 5mg letro a day? Just reduce by 0.5mg till you got to 0.5mg? After that did you switch to another ai or run a serm like nolva for another week or so? I'm currently running 5mg a day and am wanting to start tapering down next week .. Any advice on getting this done with as little rebound as possible is greatly appreciated, thanks!
 
starting a mast/proviron with aromasin cycle this week (no test) for 8 weeks. gonna throw in 1mg prami 4 weeks in. then run 1mg prami and 5mg letro for 4 weeks during pct. summer cutter/ anti gyno cycle combined, wonder how this is gonna turn out..
 
die faster said:
starting a mast/proviron with aromasin cycle this week (no test) for 8 weeks. gonna throw in 1mg prami 4 weeks in. then run 1mg prami and 5mg letro for 4 weeks during pct. summer cutter/ anti gyno cycle combined, wonder how this is gonna turn out..
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I wouldnt start out with 1mg of prami. You'll regret it. It will make you puke violently and feel like absolute shit. Start out at .25mg or .5mg and work your way up.
 
infern03k said:
How did you guys go about tapering down from 5mg letro a day? Just reduce by 0.5mg till you got to 0.5mg? After that did you switch to another ai or run a serm like nolva for another week or so? I'm currently running 5mg a day and am wanting to start tapering down next week .. Any advice on getting this done with as little rebound as possible is greatly appreciated, thanks!
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Anyone got an answer for this? Would be interested in knowing what best way to prevent rebound is.
 
bump come on guys read the thread instead of messaging me
 
Ok so it seems like saying Forma after to help with rebound, but would it be possible to just work down to a very low dose instead over time so say 3 weeks at 5mg a day and then start going down and run 2.5mg a day for a week then dropping .5mg a day until you hit .5 then cut it to .25/day for 2 days then come off all together? Just trying to play devils advocate as Forma is rather hard to come by and sells out fast.

Thanks.
 
Hi ck. this is a great thread some brilliant info. Do you lose any of your gains whilst doin this protocol? If so how do you prevent it? Also did you run the 5mg dose of letro durin pct or after? I am just comin up to pct now and the small lump I have has got slightly bigger. After reading this I think I can get rid of it pretty quick. Do you think I should wate till after pct or during??
 
LetsGrow said:
Ok so it seems like saying Forma after to help with rebound, but would it be possible to just work down to a very low dose instead over time so say 3 weeks at 5mg a day and then start going down and run 2.5mg a day for a week then dropping .5mg a day until you hit .5 then cut it to .25/day for 2 days then come off all together? Just trying to play devils advocate as Forma is rather hard to come by and sells out fast.

Thanks.
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Yeah that's fine man but make the taper long ! I would say once your down to like .25 a day then gradually work to .25 eod then every 4th day and so forth. So the Estro has a long time to slowly get back to normal levels. It would even be wise to run like an over the counter anti Estro/ test booster once ceasing the letro . Just for precautions anyways.
 
I'm running inhibit-e when I come off it is by FAR the strongest OTC anti estrogen I have EVER ran
 
Rustilldown said:
Yeah that's fine man but make the taper long ! I would say once your down to like .25 a day then gradually work to .25 eod then every 4th day and so forth. So the Estro has a long time to slowly get back to normal levels. It would even be wise to run like an over the counter anti Estro/ test booster once ceasing the letro . Just for precautions anyways.
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Thanks I will keep that in mind, big help :D
 
I have a pea sized lump under my left nipple and some puffiness.I've had it for a few weeks now. I'm about to buy some letro running it 5mg a day one bottle will last 15 days will that be enough or should I get more?

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jmorgan88 said:
I have a pea sized lump under my left nipple and some puffiness.I've had it for a few weeks now. I'm about to buy some letro running it 5mg a day one bottle will last 15 days will that be enough or should I get more?

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I would pick up 2 as you don't know how you will respond and what I think you would want to do is run the 5mg for 2-3 weeks then begin the taper down process.
 
ck how much cialis did you run and how was your libido effected from just letro and prami? was it real bad? im wondering if i should just start the cialis today when i start the letro and prami.
 
Everyone reacts differently to letro as I found out. My libido is fine and I dont have achy joints either.
 
I've been running 1.25mg letro and .125 prami for a couple weeks and I'm not seeing much improvement. I'm about to bump those up. Worried about the no libido thing though, as I just started dating some chick. I might give cialis a try, I really don't want to become dependent on that shit though. What's dosing protocol for cialis?
 
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onlyone26 said:
I've been running 1.25mg letro and .125 prami for a couple weeks and I'm not seeing much improvement. I'm about to bump those up. Worried about the no libido thing though, as I just started dating some chick. I might give cialis a try, I really don't want to become dependent on that shit though. What's dosing protocol for cialis?
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i took about .7 mg a day. i would def up the letro too
 
Wtf, so the loss of gyno after a cycle like this is permanent? I've had some tiny puffynipples with a little lump inside since I was 14.. Should I do this instead of surgery?
 
GYNO KILLING STACK- Toremifene 50mg/ letro1.25mg/Prami .5mg (TRY THIS FOR 3 MONTHS BEFORE YOU GIVE UP)

Once your nipples clear up you will want to prevent rebound.

REBOUND PREVENTION:
Torem 50mg/ letro .625mg/ Forma 5 pumps am+pm
Torem 50mg/ letro .625mg EOD/ Forma 5 pumps am+pm
Torem 50mg/ Forma 5 pumps am+pm
Forma 5 pumps am+pm (UNTIL BOTTLE IS FINISHED)
 
Thanks CK for this post! I take it i've got severe Estrogen rebound! My waist got thicker and nipples got puffy as I got on SAN Tight, a fat burner. This is absurd, never happened to me before. Add to that I was a fat kid growing up, so certainly have that lingering in my system... Will definitely try your method out!!

Were you taking the liquid form of Letro and Prami?

Also, did you happen to get a tummy tuck!? Just curious...
 
Foxboro said:
So many questions and no answers in this thread...
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Not to be a dick, but then you aren't reading properly. There is a ton of answers on this thread.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
 
Do you slowly work your way up to 2.5 mgs a day, and do you slowly work your way down? N just run letro at 2.5 mg until lumps are gone?
 
Foxboro said:
Do you slowly work your way up to 2.5 mgs a day, and do you slowly work your way down? N just run letro at 2.5 mg until lumps are gone?
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You can start at 2.5mgs from the get go. The op was 2.5mgs two times a day for a total of 5mgs a day. What i did was 5mgs for 15 days then I began the taper down process to .25mg day then once you are at that dose for a few days move it to .25mgs eod for a week, then .25 twice a week for a week then begin adex(stane) the day after your last dose of letro at 25mg day for a month to prevent estrogen rebound. Do this and you will be good.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
 
LetsGrow said:
You can start at 2.5mgs from the get go. The op was 2.5mgs two times a day for a total of 5mgs a day. What i did was 5mgs for 15 days then I began the taper down process to .25mg day then once you are at that dose for a few days move it to .25mgs eod for a week, then .25 twice a week for a week then begin adex(stane) the day after your last dose of letro at 25mg day for a month to prevent estrogen rebound. Do this and you will be good.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
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THANK YOU MAN! I couldnt find this anywhere i messaged needto n he told me the products i needed to buy and never got back to me after a few pms for dosages. How many mgs did you taper down? Something like -0.5 every day until .25? Did you use prami aswell? Thanks for ya help!
 
Foxboro said:
THANK YOU MAN! I couldnt find this anywhere i messaged needto n he told me the products i needed to buy and never got back to me after a few pms for dosages. How many mgs did you taper down? Something like -0.5 every day until .25? Did you use prami aswell? Thanks for ya help!
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No problem. Needto is great but the guy is beyond swamped running a bunch of businesses and whatnot. Anyway, I dropped from 5mg to 2.5mgs and ran that for a week then i kept halcyon doses basically till I hit .25mgs/week. Didn't use prami, used the adex/stane instead. Very similar product o be honest.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
 
Yeah thanks mate, did you experience any hair loss issues, I've heard if estrogen levels are low it causes hair loss.
 
Nope didn't experience any.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
 
LetsGrow said:
You can start at 2.5mgs from the get go. The op was 2.5mgs two times a day for a total of 5mgs a day. What i did was 5mgs for 15 days then I began the taper down process to .25mg day then once you are at that dose for a few days move it to .25mgs eod for a week, then .25 twice a week for a week then begin adex(stane) the day after your last dose of letro at 25mg day for a month to prevent estrogen rebound. Do this and you will be good.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
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LetsGrow: I guess I rebounded as I am getting puffy nipples and weight gain so quickly while taking a simple Fat Burner! Tool Nolva 20 ED together with Stane but it didn't help... Hope to bring my estro level down with your protocol.

Did you run the above Letro protocol for just a month followed by another month on Adex/Stane? I am assuming either Adex or Stane to be used and NOT the combination of the both...?

Many thanks!
 
rollovah said:
LetsGrow: I guess I rebounded as I am getting puffy nipples and weight gain so quickly while taking a simple Fat Burner! Tool Nolva 20 ED together with Stane but it didn't help... Hope to bring my estro level down with your protocol.

Did you run the above Letro protocol for just a month followed by another month on Adex/Stane? I am assuming either Adex or Stane to be used and NOT the combination of the both...?

Many thanks!
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I ran 2 bottles of letro and 1 of stane. First bottle of letro at 5mgs/day only lasts 15 days, then another bottle worth of tapering down. Then a bottle of stane at regular dosing for a month.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
 
LetsGrow said:
No problem. Needto is great but the guy is beyond swamped running a bunch of businesses and whatnot. Anyway, I dropped from 5mg to 2.5mgs and ran that for a week then i kept halcyon doses basically till I hit .25mgs/week. Didn't use prami, used the adex/stane instead. Very similar product o be honest.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
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So what dosage were you doing from 7 days of 2.5mg ED,, ,,until .25mg EOD?
 
Foxboro said:
So what dosage were you doing from 7 days of 2.5mg ED,, ,,until .25mg EOD?
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Week of each dosage on the drop. Then once you get to .25mg/Ed for a week then go to eod for a week then go to .25mg 2x a week then you should be done.

Hope this helps


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
 
stevesmi said:
CK is the man with gyno prevention.. all you newbies who are concerned with gyno pay close attention to what he says .. if you think you are gyno prone need to take precautions.. a lot of guys i've talked to get gyno and don't even know what it is!! they just assume its normal i guess or just ignore it.
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i love having my own tits to play with though
 
To prevent estrogen rebound.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
 
Woops that was my mistake I misread something. The prami is to help the libido since letro will put a hurtin on it.

Stane is for after come off letro to prevent rebound.

My mistake.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
 
LetsGrow said:
Woops that was my mistake I misread something. The prami is to help the libido since letro will put a hurtin on it.

Stane is for after come off letro to prevent rebound.

My mistake.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
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No worries man, thanks. Is 1mg of a day overkill?
 
You should be fine with it. Letro is really powerful stuff and the sides are pretty harsh so there needs to be a balance. As always though if you start noticing adverse effects taper it back and see if it helps.


"you will never be happy with your results, but that shouldn't deter you from trying to obtain your goals"

~Me
 
Has anyone used Forma by itself to reduce puffiness? I have no lumps, but I do have puffiness and wondering if forma would work or not for this?
I'd rather run this than Letro if possible as it's less harsh and less to worry about.
 
Low body fat getz puffines gone...good diet & training with Forma...winner

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I tried the 2.5 mg am and pm a night protocol and it helped with the puffiness and what not but dam did the sides wipe the floor with my ass.

I could only do it for a week and taper off of it. I felt like shit after 5 days like I was going through pneumonia again. And I am pretty sure it had an adverse effect on my lipids.

Wouldnt recomend the 5mg a day protocol.
 
Letro isn't harsh. Just run 2.5 mg a day and you should be ok. 5mg is only appropriate if you have serious issues. Prami is a fucker and it makes me physically ill. I do not use it, nor do i use any prolactin antagonist.

Lefty78 - Forma will reduce puffiness. But letro will go through gyno like a freight train.
 
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