Congress - HGH - & Professional Athletics

[redsamurai]

I get it now! It's just like how we can't make pot legal for the general public because then even more people would use it. And like you said... "And then once it's physician supervised they'll augment with even more use".

So professional atheltes with the means to deal with downstream effects of AAS = forbidden!

Potheads, some of who will lack the means to deal with downstream effects of pot = anything goes!

It must be fun on your planet.

does pot enhance anyone's performance "for anything"? Does one person taking pot force another person to take pot otherwise they can't put food on the table?

Woefully inept argument. Absolutely woeful. You should ban yourself for 7 days out of sheer intellectual embarrassement.

 

[redsamurai]

ololololol! @ "if"

lol at "olololololol"

 

[mrplunkey]

does pot enhance anyone's performance "for anything"? Does one person taking pot force another person to take pot otherwise they can't put food on the table?

Woefully inept argument. Absolutely woeful. You should ban yourself for 7 days out of sheer intellectual embarrassement.

You've made the argument for never legalizing drugs and still don't even recognize it.

Awesome awesomeness!

Even if we make some things legal, they'll just augment it with more use.

 

[redsamurai]

You've made the argument for never legalizing drugs and still don't even recognize it.

Awesome awesomeness!

Even if we make some things legal, they'll just augment it with more use.

ummm no, no I haven't. Incorrect analysis. You are not comprehending english mother fucker, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

do i have to explain to you how/why I haven't made that argument or do you have the intellectual gumption to figure it out yourself instead of just typing your first instinctual blurb that passes through your prefontal cortex.

 

[mrplunkey]

ummm no, no I haven't. Incorrect analysis. You are not comprehending english mother fucker, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

do i have to explain to you how/why I haven't made that argument or do you have the intellectual gumption to figure it out yourself instead of just typing your first instinctual blurb that passes through your prefontal cortex.

Gah... now you're got prefrontal cortex envy too.

 

[-SD-]

Gah... now you're got prefrontal cortex envy too.

*you've

 

[mrplunkey]

*you've

damn it!

 

[jiggagold]

i have an obliterated sphincter cortex

 

[mrplunkey]

i have an obliterated sphincter cortex

I bet HGH would clear that right up.

 

[mrplunkey]

no idea. Honestly. The cleveland clinc told me it was possible AAS had something to do with my heart issue but nothing could be said for certain as they really didn't know what was going on with me in the first place.

So AAS may have damaged your heart. What about your back? I vividly remember you saying something about back problems in the past.

 

[PICK3]

damn it!

p'wnt by a cerebral cortex failure probably more specifically a Broca's Area failure!!!

 

[redsamurai]

So AAS may have damaged your heart. What about your back? I vividly remember you saying something about back problems in the past.

inversion table. That one is all my fault. I read for years about decompressing after deadlifting or squatting, but I was young and just didn't understand how perpetually compressed I was. The back still ins't great but it's a far cry from what it used to be. Changed when I started religiously hanging every day and not just whenever the back tweaked. Every day 10 minutes once or twice a day. When you're badly compressed, feeling your lower spine decompress/pull apart...is one of the most disconcerting feelings I've ever felt. But to be fair I haven't shoved anything up my ass like you have pick3 do infront of his webcam....

 

[PICK3]

I haven't shoved anything up my ass like you have pick3 do infront of his webcam

*and

 

[Spartacus]

 

[Spartacus]

It's a magic carpet ride

Every door steriods will open wide

To lazy people like you--

Happy people like HGH

What a beautiful

Sunny Day

 

[redsamurai]

*and

incorrect...

 

[Spartacus]

big bird
careful what you wish for

 

[Spartacus]

can't come up with an attack angle?

 

[mrplunkey]

inversion table. That one is all my fault. I read for years about decompressing after deadlifting or squatting, but I was young and just didn't understand how perpetually compressed I was. The back still ins't great but it's a far cry from what it used to be. Changed when I started religiously hanging every day and not just whenever the back tweaked. Every day 10 minutes once or twice a day. When you're badly compressed, feeling your lower spine decompress/pull apart...is one of the most disconcerting feelings I've ever felt. But to be fair I haven't shoved anything up my ass like you have pick3 do infront of his webcam....

So exactly how did you hurt it in the first place?

 

[redsamurai]

So exactly how did you hurt it in the first place?

not sure I can pinpoint an exact time and date for you on that one. Honestly. It started sometime in my mid 20's and was completely unaffected by AAS and even HGH use. But who knows if I knew then what I know now the AAS might have been of some use, tough to say. I used to have bad elbow problems when I was using, that's gone.

 

[mrplunkey]

not sure I can pinpoint an exact time and date for you on that one. Honestly. It started sometime in my mid 20's and was completely unaffected by AAS and even HGH use. But who knows if I knew then what I know now the AAS might have been of some use, tough to say. I used to have bad elbow problems when I was using, that's gone.

So you injured your back through weight training and your heart most likely through AAS?

 

[redsamurai]

So you injured your back through weight training and your heart most likely through AAS?

Didn't I mention that they don't know what was wrong with my heart? The cleveland clinic could not definitively tell me it was AAS, perhaps it was the clen...I told them that too and they said if it was something I was taking that more than likely a beta agonist like clen would be the culprit. But they could not make any defintive statements.

 

[PICK3]

Didn't I mention that they don't know what was wrong with my heart? The cleveland clinic could not definitively tell me it was AAS, perhaps it was the clen...I told them that too and they said if it was something I was taking that more than likely a beta agonist like clen would be the culprit. But they could not make any defintive statements.

sorry to hear that

 

[redsamurai]

sorry to hear that

over and done with no worries.

 

[mrplunkey]

Didn't I mention that they don't know what was wrong with my heart? The cleveland clinic could not definitively tell me it was AAS, perhaps it was the clen...I told them that too and they said if it was something I was taking that more than likely a beta agonist like clen would be the culprit. But they could not make any defintive statements.

But it was some sort of unregulated non-recreational drug use, correct?

And what about your back? How specifically did you injure your back?

 

[PICK3]

And what about your back? How specifically did you injure your back?

yeah, how you do that from the bottom

Round has to learn to be moar gentle




just sayin'

 

[mrplunkey]

^^^ Your avi is awesome awesomeness.

Just sayin'

 

[redsamurai]

But it was some sort of unregulated non-recreational drug use, correct?

And what about your back? How specifically did you injure your back?

how was it non recreational since I wasn't using with a Dr. Prescription for any sort of verfiable condition? All the guys here are technically "recreational" drug users.

And as I said, I don't really have a specific event to point to with the back. It was mild tweaking that got progressively worse. Then when the bad tweaks would happen I'd be lying down for over a day. When I was in Frisco i did go get a happy ending massage during one of those bad tweak episodes.....it seemed to help.

 

[Spartacus]

how was it non recreational since I wasn't using with a Dr. Prescription for any sort of verfiable condition? All the guys here are technically "recreational" drug users.

And as I said, I don't really have a specific event to point to with the back. It was mild tweaking that got progressively worse. Then when the bad tweaks would happen I'd be lying down for over a day. When I was in Frisco i did go get a happy ending massage during one of those bad tweak episodes.....it seemed to help.

 

[mrplunkey]

how was it non recreational since I wasn't using with a Dr. Prescription for any sort of verfiable condition? All the guys here are technically "recreational" drug users.

I consider mood or mind-altering drugs "recreational" and I consider AAS as "performance enhancing". When you mentioned clen it sort of fell through the cracks. I'm not sure clen enhances anything, hence my term "non-recreational".

If anything, clen is a "aesthetic" drug.

 

[jiggagold]

steroids alter your mind, they make you depressed and then you blow your brains out like this guy did at the gym down the road. Guy was a monster too and had it all.

 

[mrplunkey]

steroids alter your mind, they make you depressed and then you blow your brains out like this guy did at the gym down the road. Guy was a monster too and had it all.

I can't argue that the line between recreational drugs, AAS and aesthetic drugs is at best blurred.

 

[redsamurai]

I consider mood or mind-altering drugs "recreational" and I consider AAS as "performance enhancing". When you mentioned clen it sort of fell through the cracks. I'm not sure clen enhances anything, hence my term "non-recreational".

If anything, clen is a "aesthetic" drug.

but since we're not professional athletes AAS use to us is recreational because our physical activity is recreational. That's not to deride what we do, all people should be engaging in recreational physical activity it's what our DNA blueprint insists of us but we ignore.

Does clen not have some androgenic effects? I thought it did, but yeah people take it for it thermogenic effect. All it did was elevate my heart rate and probably did do some damage. I was taking that shit with coffee....god what a moron.

 

[mrplunkey]

but since we're not professional athletes AAS use to us is recreational because our physical activity is recreational. That's not to deride what we do, all people should be engaging in recreational physical activity it's what our DNA blueprint insists of us but we ignore.

Does clen not have some androgenic effects? I thought it did, but yeah people take it for it thermogenic effect. All it did was elevate my heart rate and probably did do some damage. I was taking that shit with coffee....god what a moron.

I believe clen is more of an anti-catabolic, but that effect diminishes unless you take it with keto or cycle it to keep your receptors fresh.

And for me, AAS (mostly HGH) are more of an anti-aging & professional stamina tool.

 

[redsamurai]

I believe clen is more of an anti-catabolic, but that effect diminishes unless you take it with keto or cycle it to keep your receptors fresh.

And for me, AAS (mostly HGH) are more of an anti-aging & professional stamina tool.

I'll agree with the HGH.

 

[-SD-]

HGH didnt do shit for me and actually made me worse than when i started. Im really hoping no permanent damage was done to my joints from it.
These drugs arent all they are cracked up to be

 

[mrplunkey]

HGH didnt do shit for me and actually made me worse than when i started. Im really hoping no permanent damage was done to my joints from it.
These drugs arent all they are cracked up to be

Are you sure it was real HGH? Sometimes they try to pass-off HCG as HGH. Did you take a pregnancy test?

 

[ledhead]

steroids alter your mind, they make you depressed and then you blow your brains out like this guy did at the gym down the road. Guy was a monster too and had it all.

Prove it!!! You run your mouth a lot like the rest these know nothings.. Back up your claims.. You take a sound bite and use it as a comprehensive tool. Without knowing the full details..

Please!! Your entire post is pure speculation and total hearsay... Everyone over the aas forum should be dead according to you or will eventually kill themselves.. Try going over there sometime. Perhaps, you might learn something, considering this is a steroid site..





"I can't say enough about the two Marine divisions. If I use words like brilliant, it would really be an under-description of the absolutely superb job they did in breaching the so-called impenetrable barrier. . .Absolutely superb operation, a textbook, and I think it'll be studied for many, many years to come as the way to do it." (General H. Norman Schwarzkopf, USA, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, 27 February 1991.)

 

[-SD-]

Are you sure it was real HGH? Sometimes they try to pass-off HCG as HGH. Did you take a pregnancy test?

I took a vial, reconstituted it, drew it up and squirted it onto a preg test and it was neg. Possibly Im not using enough but i just dont think HGH is for me. I gave it 3 good months and felt worse than when started. Not worth it to me, gonna go back to good ol' test, which does me good

 

[mrplunkey]

I took a vial, reconstituted it, drew it up and squirted it onto a preg test and it was neg. Possibly Im not using enough but i just dont think HGH is for me. I gave it 3 good months and felt worse than when started. Not worth it to me, gonna go back to good ol' test, which does me good

Odd... HGH really does good things for me.

Another odd thing though, I've always read that test is test, but for me, cyp > eth > prop

Not sure why.

 

[-SD-]

Odd... HGH really does good things for me.

Another odd thing though, I've always read that test is test, but for me, cyp > eth > prop

Not sure why.

I wasnt taking hardly any either (2iu, 5/2 split), then dropped down to 1iu because of joint pain, then just had to stop since nothing improved. Digimon has extensive hgh experience and has the same stuff and said it looked legit. I might give it another run when im older or can afford more than chinese blue tops.
Im a Cyp man also, 100mg/wk was great but for long term applications i will need to use some sort of intermittent PCT since it caused shutdown after 10 months.

 

[mrplunkey]

I wasnt taking hardly any either (2iu, 5/2 split), then dropped down to 1iu because of joint pain, then just had to stop since nothing improved. Digimon has extensive hgh experience and has the same stuff and said it looked legit. I might give it another run when im older or can afford more than chinese blue tops.
Im a Cyp man also, 100mg/wk was great but for long term applications i will need to use some sort of intermittent PCT since it caused shutdown after 10 months.

I'm considering doing more frequent 100mg/week cycles. I might even try something weird like 4 weeks on / 4 weeks off.

I'm prescribed up to 350 mg/week (yeah, I have a "flexible" doctor) but much more than 250/week really changes me. When my levels are relatively low I like heady, intellectual stuff and when they get relatively high I gravitate more toward the gym and other physical activities. High levels are great for selling, acquisitions and new markets. Low levels are great for problem-solving, engineering/science and litigation.

 

[-SD-]

I'm considering doing more frequent 100mg/week cycles. I might even try something weird like 4 weeks on / 4 weeks off.

I'm prescribed up to 350 mg/week (yeah, I have a "flexible" doctor) but much more than 250/week really changes me. When my levels are relatively low I like heady, intellectual stuff and when they get relatively high I gravitate more toward the gym and other physical activities. High levels are great for selling, acquisitions and new markets. Low levels are great for problem-solving, engineering/science and litigation.

Yea Im prescibed 400/wk but obviously wont do that unless full on cycle. I think your theory about levels is correct as I remember when I wiped out my levels with letro I was much more intelectual oriented. But when I started the Cyp I was more interested in going out, working out, chasing ass etc

 

[mrplunkey]

Yea Im prescibed 400/wk but obviously wont do that unless full on cycle. I think your theory about levels is correct as I remember when I wiped out my levels with letro I was much more intelectual oriented. But when I started the Cyp I was more interested in going out, working out, chasing ass etc

It's a tough balance. That's why I'm considering the 4 weeks on / 4 weeks off low dose cycle. I'd either try 100mg/week 4 on / 4 off or 6 on / 6 off.

I really like SARMS too, because I don't lose as much muscle but I still like the nerdier stuff.

 

[-SD-]

It's a tough balance. That's why I'm considering the 4 weeks on / 4 weeks off low dose cycle. I'd either try 100mg/week 4 on / 4 off or 6 on / 6 off.

I really like SARMS too, because I don't lose as much muscle but I still like the nerdier stuff.

Its a balance between taking it long enough for efficacy and short enough to avoid shutdown.
What is SARMS all about?

 

[redsamurai]

Odd... HGH really does good things for me.

Another odd thing though, I've always read that test is test, but for me, cyp > eth > prop

Not sure why.

ur spiking your levels with prop that's why. ur injection schedules have to be on the hour with prop or your circulating hormones crash. This is why I'm done with AAS except possibly for test cream. I never felt the crash on t-gel. And there is some research that shows low level hormone supplementation can bring back natural levels to full once you're off. U just can't go up and down the blood plasma levels like most juicers do...that fucks up your own shit for months on end. That's why cyp feels better cause it's not as drastic on the ups and downs.

Weird on the Hgh with Superdave. It's supposed to help heal your joints. Maybe the chinese shit has some slight impurities that ur not able to properly dispose of...???

 

[mrplunkey]

Its a balance between taking it long enough for efficacy and short enough to avoid shutdown.
What is SARMS all about?

SARMS-S4 is a testosterone-like molecule that is supposedly selective toward skeletomuscular tissue (available through sponsors of this board). So the story is you get the body composition benefits without the testosterone sides (i.e. aromatization). It's also billed as not being suppressive.

I'm reasonably convinced it works -- I use it from time to time (although real test is considerably more potent). I also think it's slightly suppressive, but nowhere near that of hard-core gear.

 

[redsamurai]

did ur eyes get yellow?

 

[mrplunkey]

did ur eyes get yellow?

First time I ran it, I got up to 100 mg/day 5 on/2 off. Then my vision got a little yellow. It's not that noticeable, you just see a slight yellow tint. And your night vision gets pretty screwed-up as well.

Then I backed off a little and had no problems.

But strangely enough, I was taking around 80-100mg/day a month or so ago and didn't get the yellow tinted vision (but I did get the crappy night vision back). It also didn't have the same skeletomuscular benefits either. It makes me wonder if what they ship now isn't as strong as what they shipped at first.

 

[-SD-]

First time I ran it, I got up to 100 mg/day 5 on/2 off. Then my vision got a little yellow. It's not that noticeable, you just see a slight yellow tint. And your night vision gets pretty screwed-up as well.

Then I backed off a little and had no problems.

But strangely enough, I was taking around 80-100mg/day a month or so ago and didn't get the yellow tinted vision (but I did get the crappy night vision back). It also didn't have the same skeletomuscular benefits either. It makes me wonder if what they ship now isn't as strong as what they shipped at first.

Jesus, think I will stick with good old test lol

 

[mrplunkey]

Jesus, think I will stick with good old test lol

The vision issues go away within 36-48 hours of use. I was usually clear as a bell by Sunday night if I missed my Sat/Sun dose.

 

[redsamurai]

Jesus, think I will stick with good old test lol

yeah no shit, my dad had a detached retina a few years ago. We used to play ping pong alot but now he can't cause he see's double....it kind of sucks. Not fucking with shit that could be degenerating ocular nerves.

 

[brownbrown]

If they can control your healthcare then of course they can control your gear/supplements/hormone.

Lots of bitching coming from you.
So my quesion is : When you had your little Sit-Down with Boner, did you bring up the current troubles with PH bans and supplements, or did you just worry about yourself and talk how you can get/keep more money?
Just want to know if your truley on our side for bodybuilding and supplements. I've signed petitions, spread the word on the proposed restrictions. But you had a meeting with the BoneMan.

 

[mrplunkey]

Lots of bitching coming from you.
So my quesion is : When you had your little Sit-Down with Boner, did you bring up the current troubles with PH bans and supplements, or did you just worry about yourself and talk how you can get/keep more money?
Just want to know if your truley on our side for bodybuilding and supplements. I've signed petitions, spread the word on the proposed restrictions. But you had a meeting with the BoneMan.

I have no problems getting AAs. There are several doctors who will script me what I like. Why in the world would I bring up a non-issue to me?

If AAS legalization is such a big issue to you, the solution is simple: Pull together a good lobbying group, secure one (preferably more) lobbyists and write a good position paper to circulate on your road show.

Remember, I'm not the one trying to shovel more power to the government hand over fist. Anyone advocating a bigger government is being a pure hypocrite when they complain over how government can then be lobbied.

 

[brownbrown]

I have no problems getting AAs. There are several doctors who will script me what I like. Why in the world would I bring up a non-issue to me?

If AAS legalization is such a big issue to you, the solution is simple: Pull together a good lobbying group, secure one (preferably more) lobbyists and write a good position paper to circulate on your road show.

Remember, I'm not the one trying to shovel more power to the government hand over fist. Anyone advocating a bigger government is being a pure hypocrite when they complain over how government can then be lobbied.

Where the fuck did I say AAS in my post? I said PH and supplements. Fuck.... you're dense.
THEY are trying to ban all supplements that are not from big pharma.

But you did answer my question... and I figured that would be your answer.


Droid Bionic EF app

 

[mrplunkey]

Where the fuck did I say AAS in my post? I said PH and supplements. Fuck.... you're dense.
THEY are trying to ban all supplements that are not from big pharma.

But you did answer my question... and I figured that would be your answer.


Droid Bionic EF app

Now why in the world would I want a prohormone when I can get a prescription for any AAS I want within 24 hours?

And THEY will continue to get bigger and bolder because libtards such as yourself want to shove even more money their way. Then you act shocked when powerful lobbyists use a relatively small amount of money to influence the entire system. Sad thing is, you'll never figure it out no matter how long it's flaunted in front of your face.

 

[digimon7068]

First time I ran it, I got up to 100 mg/day 5 on/2 off. Then my vision got a little yellow. It's not that noticeable, you just see a slight yellow tint. And your night vision gets pretty screwed-up as well.

Then I backed off a little and had no problems.

But strangely enough, I was taking around 80-100mg/day a month or so ago and didn't get the yellow tinted vision (but I did get the crappy night vision back). It also didn't have the same skeletomuscular benefits either. It makes me wonder if what they ship now isn't as strong as what they shipped at first.

i could be wrong but, i just assumed that he meant actual yellowing of the eyes from excess bilirubin due to compromised liver function...correct me if i'm wrong...

 

[mrplunkey]

i could be wrong but, i just assumed that he meant actual yellowing of the eyes from excess bilirubin due to compromised liver function...correct me if i'm wrong...

Your eyes don't yellow at all (at least mine didn't). I don't believe it's a liver issue at all. What it does is give your vision a yellow tint. It's hard to describe... if you've ever noticed an oddly-lit room where the colors seem "off", that's what it looks like.

 

[digimon7068]

Your eyes don't yellow at all (at least mine didn't). I don't believe it's a liver issue at all. What it does is give your vision a yellow tint. It's hard to describe... if you've ever noticed an oddly-lit room where the colors seem "off", that's what it looks like.

that said, the way i read his question was that he wanted to know if you looked in the mirror and noticed a yellowing in your whites.

 

[brownbrown]

Now why in the world would I want a prohormone when I can get a prescription for any AAS I want within 24 hours?

And THEY will continue to get bigger and bolder because libtards such as yourself want to shove even more money their way. Then you act shocked when powerful lobbyists use a relatively small amount of money to influence the entire system. Sad thing is, you'll never figure it out no matter how long it's flaunted in front of your face.

Um because your a long time "member" of Elitefitness? Maybe because you might be a bodybuilder and respect the sport/hobby/lifestyle? Maybe because you want Big Government out of your business.

And you digress into immature behavior: "You act shocked" , "because libtards like yourself". I gave you a serious question without name calling or insults.



Oh well, I guess I have my definitive answer on what type of person you are.

 

[mrplunkey]

Post #155:

Where the fuck did I say AAS in my post? I said PH and supplements. Fuck.... you're dense.
THEY are trying to ban all supplements that are not from big pharma.

But you did answer my question... and I figured that would be your answer.


Droid Bionic EF app

Post #160:

Um because your a long time "member" of Elitefitness? Maybe because you might be a bodybuilder and respect the sport/hobby/lifestyle? Maybe because you want Big Government out of your business.

And you digress into immature behavior: "You act shocked" , "because libtards like yourself". I gave you a serious question without name calling or insults.


Oh well, I guess I have my definitive answer on what type of person you are.

Are you a goldfish? Actually, I retract that question. Even a goldfish can remember five posts back.

 

[brownbrown]

Post #155:



Post #160:



Are you a goldfish? Actually, I retract that question. Even a goldfish can remember five posts back.

You being dense is a clear observation. I was talking bout PH's and you went onto AAS. Clear difference of subject. And my comment was about the Original post.
Me being a "libtard" is an ASSumption.
Why are you on EF anyways? You obviously dont have anything to offer for the new members and bodybuilding beginners. Or Give a fuck about the sport. But your shure quick to screw with a new member that happens upon C&C.
I'm so fucking glad you stay out of the other forums.

 

[mrplunkey]

You being dense is a clear observation. I was talking bout PH's and you went onto AAS. Clear difference of subject. And my comment was about the Original post.
Me being a "libtard" is an ASSumption.
Why are you on EF anyways? You obviously dont have anything to offer for the new members and bodybuilding beginners. Or Give a fuck about the sport. But your shure quick to screw with a new member that happens upon C&C.
I'm so fucking glad you stay out of the other forums.

Perhaps the only reason I'm here is to piss you off.



You are quite entertaining.

 

[brownbrown]

Perhaps the only reason I'm here is to piss you off.



You are quite entertaining.

Epic Fail
But anyways. I have my answer. Thanks

 

[digimon7068]

Where the fuck did I say AAS in my post? I said PH and supplements. Fuck.... you're dense.
THEY are trying to ban all supplements that are not from big pharma.

But you did answer my question... and I figured that would be your answer.


Droid Bionic EF app

prohormones and most other supplements (besides protein and creatine and a few others) are horseshit anyway imho, so what difference does it make if they ban them?

 

[brownbrown]

prohormones and most other supplements (besides protein and creatine and a few others) are horseshit anyway imho, so what difference does it make if they ban them?

Because AAS are illegal for non HRT folks. And there are a lot of supplements that are beneficial. The new proposed Ban will even include muliti-vitamins.
You may think that PH's and most supplements are garbage. But there are Millions that use supplements not for only Bodybuilding, but for general better health.
The difference is that people wont have access to ANY supplements not from Big Pharma.
Everything will be off the shelfs. Even Creatine, even Protein. It's the End Game effort.

 

[digimon7068]

Because AAS are illegal for non HRT folks. And there are a lot of supplements that are beneficial. The new proposed Ban will even include muliti-vitamins.
You may think that PH's and most supplements are garbage. But there are Millions that use supplements not for only Bodybuilding, but for general better health.
The difference is that people wont have access to ANY supplements not from Big Pharma.
Everything will be off the shelfs. Even Creatine, even Protein. It's the End Game effort.

i kinda don't see anything that drastic happening...but if it did, it would certainly suck...where would i get my centrum silver and geritol?

 

[brownbrown]

i kinda don't see anything that drastic happening...but if it did, it would certainly suck...where would i get my centrum silver and geritol?

I dont underestimate the FDA and Pharma's close relationship.
You'd have to go to the black market of course.

 

[mrplunkey]

I dont underestimate the FDA and Pharma's close relationship.
You'd have to go to the black market of course.

I believe you're on to something. We most definitely shouldn't ban prohormones, vitamins, supplements or natural remedies. See? We completely agree on that issue!

But if government is here to help and protect us, why not have them use a proven FDA process for approval? The FDA has a drug approval process called an new drug approval (NDA) under the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 314.

If it's good enough for hand sanitizers, antibiotics, dick stiffeners, hair growth stimulants and just about any other new drug, why should prohormones, vitamins, suppliments or natural remedies be exempt?

 

[PICK3]

If it's good enough for hand sanitizers, antibiotics, dick stiffeners, hair growth stimulants and just about any other new drug, why should prohormones, vitamins, suppliments or natural remedies be exempt?

pretty sure my dick stiffener hasn't been evaluated by the FDA


just sayin'

 

[mrplunkey]

pretty sure my dick stiffener hasn't been evaluated by the FDA


just sayin'

Knot sure you could conduct double-blind multi-site clinical trials on the "safety and efficacy" of Cutter's trannies anyway.

 

[digimon7068]

I dont underestimate the FDA and Pharma's close relationship.
You'd have to go to the black market of course.

hmmm, and that would be different than now, becausssssse???

 

[mrplunkey]

I believe you're on to something. We most definitely shouldn't ban prohormones, vitamins, supplements or natural remedies. See? We completely agree on that issue!

But if government is here to help and protect us, why not have them use a proven FDA process for approval? The FDA has a drug approval process called an new drug approval (NDA) under the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 314.

If it's good enough for hand sanitizers, antibiotics, dick stiffeners, hair growth stimulants and just about any other new drug, why should prohormones, vitamins, suppliments or natural remedies be exempt?

C'mon roundbrown!

Can't we agree that a proven government approval process would be good for supplements, vitamins and prohormones?

 

[PICK3]

C'mon roundbrown!

Can't we agree that a proven government approval process would be good for supplements, vitamins and prohormones?

wood the process include texture ratings

 

[mrplunkey]

wood the process include texture ratings

Word is he can only discern the textures of spoo-like substances.

 

[jiggagold]

Healthy Dietary Habits Can Improve Long-Term Health Of Collision-Sport Athletes, Avoid Late-Life Health Problems

Youll like that article plunkey

 

[redsamurai]

Your eyes don't yellow at all (at least mine didn't). I don't believe it's a liver issue at all. What it does is give your vision a yellow tint. It's hard to describe... if you've ever noticed an oddly-lit room where the colors seem "off", that's what it looks like.

^^jesus christ I think i'd rather have my nuts shut down, wait...that still happens some with sarms. So what is the upside here?

 

[redsamurai]

.
Why are you on EF anyways? .

I'm looking for a word, something that says a question asked where the answer is well know to all parties involved....what's that damn word......

 

[brownbrown]

I'm looking for a word, something that says a question asked where the answer is well know to all parties involved....what's that damn word......

he won't answer honestly. But myself and you Redsam already konw.

 

[mrplunkey]

Roundbrown! Heyas!

So are you on board for letting supplements, vitamins and prohormones be regulated by the FDA? Don't we all deserve safe drugs and medical devices? The NDA process is a long-standing government process for protecting citizens from potentially bad drugs. Are you on board? Can I get us a petitions started? You and I can be the first two signatures!

 

[redsamurai]

I'll agree on prohormones cause those things are worse than the actual AAS, but not vitamins. You cannot put vitamins in the same class as drugs like benzo's or ace inhibitors. Actually vitamins aren't drugs period so I'm not even really sure why you're bringing them up.

 

[mrplunkey]

I'll agree on prohormones cause those things are worse than the actual AAS, but not vitamins. You cannot put vitamins in the same class as drugs like benzo's or ace inhibitors. Actually vitamins aren't drugs period so I'm not even really sure why you're bringing them up.

Wouldn't you agree that vitamins should at least be handled by the same standards that hand sanitizers or a new OTC pain killer would need to pass?

I'm not talking schedule C narcotics here. But I shouldn't be able to mix-up something in my basement and sell it, should I?

If government regulation is needed to protect us from so many other things, why should supplements, vitamins and prohormones be excepted?

 

[PICK3]

Wouldn't you agree that vitamins should at least be handled by the same standards that hand sanitizers or a new OTC pain killer would need to pass?

I'm not talking schedule C narcotics here. But I shouldn't be able to mix-up something in my basement and sell it, should I?

If government regulation is needed to protect us from so many other things, why should supplements, vitamins and prohormones be excepted?

and the govmint doesn't have to regulate wut you use to barter for said drugs



just sayin'

 

[redsamurai]

Wouldn't you agree that vitamins should at least be handled by the same standards that hand sanitizers or a new OTC pain killer would need to pass?

I'm not talking schedule C narcotics here. But I shouldn't be able to mix-up something in my basement and sell it, should I?

If government regulation is needed to protect us from so many other things, why should supplements, vitamins and prohormones be excepted?

I would agree. Some level of inspection needs to happen to make sure vitamin companies aren't running multiple products through the same equipment without some level of sanitization.

You realize those Sarms you're fond of were likely made in someone's basement right? I whole heartedly agree with the sentiment but most AAS is made in someones basement or kitchen.

 

[mrplunkey]

I would agree. Some level of inspection needs to happen to make sure vitamin companies aren't running multiple products through the same equipment without some level of sanitization.

You realize those Sarms you're fond of were likely made in someone's basement right? I whole heartedly agree with the sentiment but most AAS is made in someones basement or kitchen.

I'm not the one advocating for more regulation. I'd be fine leaving supplements, vitamins, prohormones and a whole host of other things unregulated. But my host of other things includes securities, CO2, education, fuel efficiency, light bulbs, health care, retirement, postal service and trans fat.

And of course I know my SARMS-S4 may very well be made in someone's basement. That's why I'd never just indiscriminately order something and follow the instructions on some home-made label. I did a little reading, knew I was taking a calculated risk and spent several weeks playing with it. Let the buyer beware.

 

[redsamurai]

. Let the buyer beware.

works in some cases, not so much in others. You can't broadswipe the vast spectrum of products in our market. I mean just a few things you just mentioned like retirement and securities, well we've seen now what happens when these guys spend enough money around washington where they get a free pass to do as they please. I would argue that they have already destroyed our society, america is done. A very small group of people took the foundation out from under an entire culture and the end will not be comfortable to watch let alone be in as we are.

 

[mrplunkey]

works in some cases, not so much in others. You can't broadswipe the vast spectrum of products in our market. I mean just a few things you just mentioned like retirement and securities, well we've seen now what happens when these guys spend enough money around washington where they get a free pass to do as they please. I would argue that they have already destroyed our society, america is done. A very small group of people took the foundation out from under an entire culture and the end will not be comfortable to watch let alone be in as we are.

Thats the problem with regulations -- everyone loves their own brand.

 

[redsamurai]

Thats the problem with regulations -- everyone loves their own brand.

oh I agree, have made that point to you numerous times. Problem is there are many cases in a free market where the consumer is blocked from making an informed decision either by definition of the product or by active deception. A vitamin is a vitamin, we know what vitamins are. As with all things too much is too much and "reasonable" people know this. There are other drugs however that come in a pill the size of a pencil tip but can have incredible systemic effects within the body. Nobody is having heartattacks from Vitamin D or C or whatever. Can you imagine if Clen was sold OTC? It's one of the drugs used by BB'ers that is potentially the most dangerous and damaging long term, and most people understand that and do treat it with respect. But if it were sold OTC with no warning labels or nothin, marketers would be free to promote it as the most safe, natural and utterly effective fat burner ever put on the market. And they'd be right about the last part. People would be taking swigs from the bottle like it was a flask. If 5 years down the line they show significant heart muscle deterioation, who's really to say that was from the clen right? I mean who's to say?....that's how our market works. Buyer beware works in some cases not in others.

 

[brownbrown]

I'll agree on prohormones cause those things are worse than the actual AAS, but not vitamins. You cannot put vitamins in the same class as drugs like benzo's or ace inhibitors. Actually vitamins aren't drugs period so I'm not even really sure why you're bringing them up.

Dude, they are acutal AAS...

DrOiD BioNiC EF App!

 

[redsamurai]

Dude, they are acutal AAS...

DrOiD BioNiC EF App!

well they're trying to be...they turn into AAS once they pass through your liver or something like that. They're worse for you then AAS and don't have near the same efficacy.

 

[brownbrown]

well they're trying to be...they turn into AAS once they pass through your liver or something like that. They're worse for you then AAS and don't have near the same efficacy.

You've tried? Because they are very efficient (in general) Ive used over a handful of different types of PH's and have put on 10-18 lbs of quality muscle on. JUST like AAs but legally!
And they aren't any worse than any other pill form Aas.
They do convert in the liver, they use the livers natural ability to break them into anabolic compounds.

DrOiD BioNiC EF App!

 

[mrplunkey]

You've tried? Because they are very efficient (in general) Ive used over a handful of different types of PH's and have put on 10-18 lbs of quality muscle on. JUST like AAs but legally!
And they aren't any worse than any other pill form Aas.
They do convert in the liver, they use the livers natural ability to break them into anabolic compounds.

DrOiD BioNiC EF App!

So shouldn't something that interacts with the body so complexly be regulated like other drugs?

isn't the role of the government to protect us?

 

[brownbrown]

So shouldn't something that interacts with the body so complexly be regulated like other drugs?

isn't the role of the government to protect us?

Okay- I'll reply to one of your idiodic posts.

1. Everything we eat ,drink, take, interacts with our body complexly. So that is a relative question
I dont want coffee , tea, beer, or liquor regulated.

2. The governments job is not to mommy us on what we do to our own bodies. But it should protect us from foreign enemies, and Killer cantaloupe, and killer spinach and killer cucumbers. Those are preventable.
My post was to RedSam. and you come in with a stupid post with stupid questions.. .

 

[mrplunkey]

Okay- I'll reply to one of your idiodic posts.

1. Everything we eat ,drink, take, interacts with our body complexly. So that is a relative question
I dont want coffee , tea, beer, or liquor regulated.

2. The governments job is not to mommy us on what we do to our own bodies. But it should protect us from foreign enemies, and Killer cantaloupe, and killer spinach and killer cucumbers. Those are preventable.
My post was to RedSam. and you come in with a stupid post with stupid questions.. .

So deregulate other things as well including securities, health care, environmental laws, education and other aspects of commerce?

Or should only your recreational substances be exempt from the government's "help"?

 

[-SD-]

Guess what pick3 deregulated last night

 

[redsamurai]

Or should only your recreational substances be exempt from the government's "help"?

actually yes because we do that to ourselves and we know what we're getting into. I'm currently reserving judgement on prohormones though, they might be something we don't know about yet.

When we're gettin hosed on financial scams or putting down ecoli ridden meat though, we're not exactly cognizant of what we just signed up for. So thank you for your eloqent point, you are precisely right.

 

[PICK3]

Guess what pick3 deregulated last night

a hymen

 

[redsamurai]

a prostate

indeed

 

[mrplunkey]

actually yes because we do that to ourselves and we know what we're getting into. I'm currently reserving judgement on prohormones though, they might be something we don't know about yet.

When we're gettin hosed on financial scams or putting down ecoli ridden meat though, we're not exactly cognizant of what we just signed up for. So thank you for your eloqent point, you are precisely right.

Yeah, it makes perfect sense to have them regulate meat but not regulate supplements.

I bet you read somewhere that bacteria and other bad things can't survive in supplement bottles. Is this all-natural pot smoke V 2.0?

 

[-SD-]

indeed

Indeed