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Uh-oh. Obama went ahead and pissed off Israel.

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Israeli rebuke of Obama exposes divide on Mideast


By Jeffrey Heller and Matt Spetalnick – Sat May 21, 7:56 am ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu bluntly told President Barack Obama on Friday his vision of how to achieve Middle East peace was unrealistic, exposing a deep divide that could doom any U.S. bid to revive peace talks.

In an unusually sharp rebuke to Israel's closest ally, Netanyahu insisted Israel would never pull back to its 1967 borders -- which would mean big concessions of occupied land -- that Obama had said should be the basis for negotiations on creating a Palestinian state.

"Peace based on illusions will crash eventually on the rocks of Middle East reality," an unsmiling Netanyahu said as Obama listened intently beside him in the Oval Office after they met for talks.

Netanyahu insisted that Israel was willing to make compromises for peace, but made clear he had major differences with Washington over how to advance the long-stalled peace process.
Netanyahu's resistance raises the question of how hard Obama will push for concessions he is unlikely to get, and whether the vision the U.S. leader laid out on Thursday to resolve the decades-old conflict will ever get off the ground.

Despite assurances of friendship by both leaders, this week's events also appeared to herald tense months ahead for U.S.-Israeli relations, even as the Arab world goes through political tumult and Palestinians prepare a unilateral bid this fall to seek U.N. General Assembly recognition for statehood.

Speaking to reporters after the meeting, Obama said he reiterated to Netanyahu the peace "principles" he offered on Thursday in a policy speech on the Middle East upheaval.

The goal, he said, "has to be a secure Israeli state, a Jewish state, living side by side in peace and security with a contiguous, functioning and effective Palestinian state.

Obama on Thursday embraced a long-sought goal by the Palestinians: that the state they seek in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip should largely be drawn along lines that existed before the 1967 war in which Israel captured those territories and East Jerusalem.

Netanyahu, who heads a right-leaning coalition, responded with what amounted to a history lecture about the vulnerability to attack that Israel faced with the old borders. "We can't go back to those indefensible lines," he said.

Picking a fight with Israel could be politically risky for Obama at home as he seeks re-election in 2012.

CRISIS IN RELATIONS

The brewing crisis in U.S.-Israeli relations dimmed even further the prospect for resuming peace talks that collapsed late last year when Palestinians walked away in a dispute over Israeli settlement building in the West Bank.

Obama and Netanyahu, meanwhile, appear to have reached an impasse after two and a half years of rocky relations. The Obama White House was angered when Netanyahu refused a U.S. demand to halt building Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

Some Israelis have never felt entirely comfortable with Obama, unnerved by his early attempts to reach out to Iran and his support for popular Arab revolutions that have unsettled Israel.
In a pointed comment clearly aimed at Obama's new approach to the long-running conflict, Netanyahu said: "The only peace that will endure is one that is based on reality, on unshakable facts."
Netanyahu, Israeli officials said, was determined to push back hard because the reference to 1967 borders was a red flag that would attract more international pressure on Israel for concessions. A senior Israeli official said Netanyahu felt he had to speak bluntly so he would be "heard around the world."
"There is a feeling that Washington does not understand the reality, doesn't understand what we face," an official on board the plane taking Netanyahu to Washington told reporters.

Despite that, Obama's first declaration of his stance on the contested issue of borders could help ease doubts in the Arab world about his commitment to acting as an even-handed broker and boost his outreach to the region. Another failed peace effort, however, could fuel further frustration.

In line with Netanyahu's stance, Obama voiced opposition to the Palestinian plan to seek U.N. recognition of statehood in September in the absence of renewed peace talks.

The Democratic president has quickly come under fire from Republican critics, who accuse him of betraying Israel, the closest U.S. ally in the region. Pushing Netanyahu could alienate U.S. supporters of Israel as Obama seeks re-election.

Obama may get a chilly reception in a speech to an influential pro-Israel lobbying group on Sunday. Netanyahu is expected to be feted when he addresses the same audience on Monday and then the U.S. Congress on Tuesday.

MARKERS FOR COMPROMISE

Obama, in his speech on Thursday, laid down his clearest markers yet on the compromises he believes Israel and the Palestinians must make to resolve a conflict that has long been seen as a source of Middle East tension.

But he did not present a formal U.S. peace plan or any timetable for a deal he once promised to clinch by September.

In Thursday's speech, Obama said: "We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps" of land. While this has long been the private view in Washington, Obama went further than U.S. officials have in the recent past.

Agreed swaps would allow Israel to keep settlements in the West Bank in return for giving the Palestinians other land.

Going into the talks, Netanyahu said he wanted to hear Obama reaffirming commitments made to Israel in 2004 by then-President George W. Bush suggesting that it may keep some large settlement blocs as part of any peace pact.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said on Friday that Obama had said nothing that "contradicts those letters."

Obama on Thursday also delivered a message to the Palestinians that they would have to answer "some very difficult questions" about a reconciliation deal with Hamas, the Islamist group that runs Gaza and which the United States regards as a terrorist group.

Israeli rebuke of Obama exposes divide on Mideast - Yahoo! News

Prepare for a shit storm if we don't comply to their terms.
 
Of course the Israelis are upset, they don't want peace.
 
Of course the Israelis are upset, they don't want peace.

this.

they dont want to give up anything. they want to have their cake and eat it too. no peace, just war for territory.

who the fuck does israel think they are anyway lol. goodluck without us...they should be the ones trying not to piss off the US

besides, if they have an "indefensible line" then the US would obviously step in and fuck up palastine for trying anything and ruining the peace agreements.
 
My first thought what incredible temerity to be so openly confrontational with the nation that has pretty much singlehandedly ensured the survival of their country since it's creation. Then I remembered how many tremendously powerful Jews there are in the U.S and that the Israelis know they can talk as much shit about our leadership as they choose.
 
My first thought what incredible temerity to be so openly confrontational with the nation that has pretty much singlehandedly ensured the survival of their country since it's creation. Then I remembered how many tremendously powerful Jews there are in the U.S and that the Israelis know they can talk as much shit about our leadership as they choose.

its sad that it is "OK" when american jews automatically support israel despite their wrong doings.

imagine if american muslims all supported wrongdoings of muslim natioons
 
Majority of americans don't care about Isreal. Isreal's conflict has been going on for decades and will still be going on after we're all dead. I still remember talking about Isreal 10 years ago on the internets. Nothing has changed.

People care about lohan, immigration, jobs, gas and dancing with the stars. They don't really talk about Hamas, PLO, Jewish Congress, etc. at the water cooler.

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Israel is nothing without the United States. We gave them the fire power and the nuclear capability they have today. They are nothing without the US. Had it not been for the US , someone would have challenged and won that country over along time ago.
 
The way I see it, the US should step back and let Israel fight...and make a fortune selling them all the instruments of war they'll need to fight their neighbours.
 
That claim is nothing new. Numerous Presidents and all their negotiators have stated the 1967 borders should be reinstated for years.

Doesn't mean it's going to happen. I don't understand why that is a big deal. That is their starting point.

Obviously negotiations will happen. And you start with bottom dollar.
 
The way I see it, the US should step back and let Israel fight...and make a fortune selling them all the instruments of war they'll need to fight their neighbours.


That's a great idea. Unfortunately we GIVE them shit.

Money, weapons, tech.....but they are our little dog keeping shit in check in the mideast, no?
 
That claim is nothing new. Numerous Presidents and all their negotiators have stated the 1967 borders should be reinstated for years.

Doesn't mean it's going to happen. I don't understand why that is a big deal. That is their starting point.

Obviously negotiations will happen. And you start with bottom dollar.

Differenece is now the US may no longer have the $$ or the appetite to keep these expanded borders in place. Perhaps Isreal should be more realistic about that.
 
They could go back to their borders before the 50's...

I hope they don't start a war...way too close to my house.
 
Brilliant analysis in here. Given the fact that Israelis live under the constant threat of being rocketed, bombed or shot at, I wonder how many of you under those same circumstances would be so willing and quick to make it easier and closer for your enemies to continue?!? Not many I would guess.
 
Brilliant analysis in here. Given the fact that Israelis live under the constant threat of being rocketed, bombed or shot at, I wonder how many of you under those same circumstances would be so willing and quick to make it easier and closer for your enemies to continue?!? Not many I would guess.

and the Palestenians don't? Wan't to compare body counts?
 
I take my suppositions on the authority of someone who actually lives there. Not you two. Think whatever you want. But until you walk in their shoes your opinions don't amount to more than fertilizer. Israel has every right to protect itself. And considering they are surrounded by people who would like nothing better than to wipe them off the planet, they can handle their security however seems best. If I lived under those circumstances I doubt I'd act any differently. True followers of the Koran don't want peace because that is not what the Koran teaches. It's a no-win game however you slice it.
 
Many of 'em passed through Cyprus on the way to Israel anyway, in the late 1940s.

Lots of people have passed through Cyprus over the centuries...but you get no sympathy from Cyprus when it comes to Israel.
 
I take my suppositions on the authority of someone who actually lives there. Not you two. Think whatever you want. But until you walk in their shoes your opinions don't amount to more than fertilizer. Israel has every right to protect itself. And considering they are surrounded by people who would like nothing better than to wipe them off the planet, they can handle their security however seems best. If I lived under those circumstances I doubt I'd act any differently. True followers of the Koran don't want peace because that is not what the Koran teaches. It's a no-win game however you slice it.

I've seen "Americans" get off the relief boats here in Cyprus...that had been hit by Israel's bombs. Filled with schrapnel to do the most damage.

And don't forget the Palestinians who lost their property, and who continue to lose their property...and how they response. It doesn't come down to religion...it comes down to your family took my land, killed my family, etc...and vice versa.
 
I've seen "Americans" get off the relief boats here in Cyprus...that had been hit by Israel's bombs. Filled with schrapnel to do the most damage.

And don't forget the Palestinians who lost their property, and who continue to lose their property...and how they response. It doesn't come down to religion...it comes down to your family took my land, killed my family, etc...and vice versa.

I agree and yet it cannot be glazed over that Islamists hold true to a book that specifically tells them to fight the jews and anyone who helps them. Not to mention that the guy who wrote did the same thing.

Again, there is NO WIN HERE. But I don't cop to anybody not being able to defend themselves. Here, there or anywhere. Period, end of story.
 
I take my suppositions on the authority of someone who actually lives there. Not you two. Think whatever you want. But until you walk in their shoes your opinions don't amount to more than fertilizer. Israel has every right to protect itself. And considering they are surrounded by people who would like nothing better than to wipe them off the planet, they can handle their security however seems best. If I lived under those circumstances I doubt I'd act any differently. True followers of the Koran don't want peace because that is not what the Koran teaches. It's a no-win game however you slice it.

trust me their neighbors couldn't care less about Israel or the Palestinians... as much as Texans care about the well being of Mexicans who cross the border.. cause that is what palestinians did going into Lebanon and Jordan. the Arab world couldn't give a rats ass about the Palestinians, and the countries that surround Israel.. Egypt, Leb, Jordan, the oil states, are all paid off by the US to leave Israel alone and crap on the Palestinians every chance they get.

stop believing what you hear on Fox News and stop believing that somehow the Arab nations give a damn about the Palestinians or Israeli's. also there are many Arabs that live in Israel.. as well as other non Jews. and they couldn't care less about the Palestinians either.
 
trust me their neighbors couldn't care less about Israel or the Palestinians... as much as Texans care about the well being of Mexicans who cross the border.. cause that is what palestinians did going into Lebanon and Jordan. the Arab world couldn't give a rats ass about the Palestinians, and the countries that surround Israel.. Egypt, Leb, Jordan, the oil states, are all paid off by the US to leave Israel alone and crap on the Palestinians every chance they get.

stop believing what you hear on Fox News and stop believing that somehow the Arab nations give a damn about the Palestinians or Israeli's. also there are many Arabs that live in Israel.. as well as other non Jews. and they couldn't care less about the Palestinians either.

In spite of our political differences Steve I enjoy the discourse. But when you insist on sticking your head up your ass over fox news you only look foolish. Your bias is inviting assumptions. As I previously stated I know someone who lives there. I also know a handful who have visited there...repeatedly. the bulk of the rest of what I know I get from reading. And the hogwash you just posted isn't worthy of debate. Its so far removed from reality its practically immeasurable.
 
And you totally don't look foolish when you insist Islam is a more violent religion than Christianity. Mm hmm.
 
Lol! Hi Feedz. I was wondering where you were hiding.

And yes it is. Doesn't hold a candle and you know it.

You're so full of it when it comes to Islam it's crazy.

You really think so? Guaranteed for every violent quote from the Qur'an you can come up with, I can throw one from the Bible back at you. I'm also damn sure for every war you can name started for religious purposes by Muslims, I can name just as many, if not more, started by Christians for religious purposes.

Lol @ your obvious bias.
 
this thread went exactly as I imagined it would when I read the first post

I knew exactly who would participate and what they would say...lol
 
I know. She told me the same thing. I told her it wasn't polite to talk with her mouth full so we didn't continue the discussion.

You had me going until you got to the mouthful part. Then I knew you were making shit up cuz you couldn't fill a thimble with that rice dick of yours.
 
You had me going until you got to the mouthful part. Then I knew you were making shit up cuz you couldn't fill a thimble with that rice dick of yours.

If you'd get off the computer for 5 minutes maybe I wouldn't need to fill her 'thimble' for you!
 
@billfred.. Body counts including the suicide bombers or without? Look at Arab countries around the world all(20 some of them) all citizens under constant threats of death and many other horrifying atrocities that they bring upon their own. How come none of their brethren in Jordan, Iraq, Iran, libya, syria... Won't take them in??? Cause they are the trash of the Arab people. Uneducated, violent.. People who live by the sword. Or should I say bomb? I am a Christian Arab who's family originates in Lebanon. We know wht it's like to live under terrorist regime aka hizbolla. My cuz always tells me about it. They can't even walk down the st without being robbed by armed militia. I feel the Israelis pain.
 
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