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Personally speaking I'm not a fan of the way I feel when I smoke pot. Alcohol I can drink without getting drunk because I enjoy the taste (wine with dinner, a bloody mary at brunch, something fruity and rum based by the beach, a beer on the dive boat - AFTER the day's dives are over, of course). It accompanies various other activities I enjoy outside the house. Pot seems to serve no real purpose or enjoyment beyond it's mood altering properties, and I've already stated I'm not a huge fan of how it alters mine.
Personally speaking I'm not a fan of the way I feel when I smoke pot. Alcohol I can drink without getting drunk because I enjoy the taste (wine with dinner, a bloody mary at brunch, something fruity and rum based by the beach, a beer on the dive boat - AFTER the day's dives are over, of course). It accompanies various other activities I enjoy outside the house. Pot seems to serve no real purpose or enjoyment beyond it's mood altering properties, and I've already stated I'm not a huge fan of how it alters mine.
Why would you have to drink/smoke everyday? The choice was for the rest of your life whenever you want. But you have to choose for the rest of your life if its going to be mj or alcohol.
Your question wasn't clear. In that case, that's easy. Alcohol, no question. I mean, it's not really even a choice.
calveless wonder
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Alcohol. You can't be that social on mj even with the strains that don't knock you out.
No alcohol means going out would be boring and pointless.
If weed removed inhibitions, it'd be the perfect drug.
No alcohol means going out would be boring and pointless.
If weed removed inhibitions, it'd be the perfect drug.
Its a choice for some people though. MJ does have its advantages believe it or not.
Gross.
calveless wonder
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How is it not a choice? It's obviously a choice. Some people despise the fact alcohol will make you fat and lower testosterone.
Just because you react to it a certain way doesn't mean others do.
For my question to have more meaning i think they both have to be on equal legal ground. Still interesting though
No, I meant for ME it's not really a choice since I don't smoke marijuana and dont have any plans to ever use it for the rest of my life. It's not like I use both and I'm forced to choose one over the other. Make sense
The one time in the last year I smoked weed at a party, I left because there was just too much going on and I wanted peace and quiet lol. I agree with cw....I don't see it as a very social drug at all.
Im very sociable when high as are the others im smoking with usually. Now we cant drive to a bar, order a joint, get high with everyone else thats doing the same thing there. So that sort of legality limits its sociability i agree.
That's where I spoke from just my own perspective....pot doesn't make me social....it makes me dull. And by dull I don't mean boring....just everything is muted and bleh. I'm way more fun when I'm drinking lol.
redshirt27se
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the older i get the more i prefer to stay in and relax rather than go out.
that said, it's still a tough decision.. i love the booze.
that said, it's still a tough decision.. i love the booze.
I can agree with that aspect. But for me whatever my mood or energy level for the day im feeling is what makes a big difference no matter if its weed or drink
LOLi chose pot but really its a shitty drug if you think about it.
i love alcohol and the way i feel when im drunk (who doesnt), but its so detrimental to my goals. i spent most of college smoking instead of drinking and it just makes you really awkward and introverted, when you smoke too much.
i would just take 2-3 hits of pot though, when i used to do it alot i would smoke blunt after blunt and then be worthless, but at least i was/am jacked
Lambruh
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When I think alcohol, I think 3-12 brews
The thing is with alcohol (for most casual drinkers), the timing to drink has to be set. After work, weekends, at night, football game, w/e. Noone just smashes a beer before they go to work like you can rip a bong.
So you have to build your schedule around when to drink, add to that you need schedule in the morning recovery.
To me, I rather be able to just toke whenever, physically function, go unnoticed and wake up the next day full of energy
The thing is with alcohol (for most casual drinkers), the timing to drink has to be set. After work, weekends, at night, football game, w/e. Noone just smashes a beer before they go to work like you can rip a bong.
So you have to build your schedule around when to drink, add to that you need schedule in the morning recovery.
To me, I rather be able to just toke whenever, physically function, go unnoticed and wake up the next day full of energy
very true. but pot makes me "think more" so i have a tendency to get thrown off easier
It does the same thing to me..I get so HIGH...it's like I'm stuck in my head, and I want to say something, but my mouth is clamped shut and all I can do is observe and smile. I think about anything and everything...so much that it's hard for me to focus on a movie. It's like the trance of a little kid staring out the window in the back seat only x 100 and there is no way I can be social...no thanks.
IDK what I'm doing wrong...lol but I have not gotten high in 5 years because of it.
There is no way I could go to work like that.
jiggagold
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If its chronic then im choosing bud. I dont like alcohol that much but a couple beers and a shot of rumpleminz is good for me. I find it hard to control my drinking once i start. Thats why i try not to drink really.
Sometimes being high is great and makes me more social and really clears my mind.
Sometimes being high is great and makes me more social and really clears my mind.
Big surprise here robs
Wow didnt you just try mj this year?
*ebony*
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lol yea, but i don't actually like the taste of alcohol. I got same affect from mj as being tipsy kinda, apart from munchies. but that beats side affects of alcohol for me.
DannoMight
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One of the last times I smoked weed was with sub z. He looked like a demon his eyes were so red!!!
I would choose the cabbage myself. I lose control when I get drinking I do things I sometimes regret later if I even remember. But I did have a few heinys the other weekend. First time in over 15 months.
Plus now that I'm not torquin I have to see some of the best space cabbage I seen in a long long while. But my job is worth it.
I would choose the cabbage myself. I lose control when I get drinking I do things I sometimes regret later if I even remember. But I did have a few heinys the other weekend. First time in over 15 months.
Plus now that I'm not torquin I have to see some of the best space cabbage I seen in a long long while. But my job is worth it.
calveless wonder
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That's how I get but not all the time. Depends on the bud and how much I smoke. I've gotten a lot better about in the in my own head stuff the past year or so. But I've also smoked a lot better weed
DannoMight
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1-3 rips of some flame jayne and ur good. i used to smoke right before hitting the gym and blast out killer workouts. then smoke again when I got home.
The aforementioned party was also probably the highest I've ever been on pot. I was going shot for shot with a roommate and hit for hit off a bong with his girlfriend. And I should note that this was also only the second time I had smoked pot since my sophomore year in college. I got so effed up from the pot that it nearly made me faint and I had to sit outside in the rain for god knows how long (probably only a few minutes, but it felt like an hour) before the trees stopped looking neon orange (it was night). The rest of the night I barely said five words to anyone....I did a lot of smiling and nodding, but they might as well have been the teachers from charlie brown.
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just means you got too high. some people get higher easier.
i dont know if it has anything to do with it or not, but my highs were always in control, but once i did shrooms for the first time getting high after that put me in my own head and tripped me out a bit more intensely. i find if i smoke just a few hits im good though, and not tripping out
Lambruh
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Everyone gets the chron schizo anxiety when their brain isn't use to it, I still do
Best way is to just buy a personal bag, take a couple rips at night and lax. By the time your bags gone, you'll notice your buzz is more nerve soothing and that paranoid feeling is gone
You just have to slowly adjust to it, not like ramp up but instead of smoking a whole blunt with nigga ash-trey just take a couple tokes
Best way is to just buy a personal bag, take a couple rips at night and lax. By the time your bags gone, you'll notice your buzz is more nerve soothing and that paranoid feeling is gone
You just have to slowly adjust to it, not like ramp up but instead of smoking a whole blunt with nigga ash-trey just take a couple tokes
Society once answered it with the 18th amendment at one point as well. Nothing in government is immutable.
DannoMight
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Also I have more control over my emotions/way I act with mj over alcy. I can't be so high I can't function or remember what I did the night before. I don't think grown ups or late teens piss themselves when they smoke too much weed either.
PICK3
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There has never been a documented human fatality from overdosing on tetrahydrocannabinol or cannabis in its natural form 
Tetrahydrocannabinol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tetrahydrocannabinol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maximus-29
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Definitely alcohol 
Definitely alcohol
9 posts in 4 years? what the fuck bro
redshirt27se
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I imagine getting shitfaced on a regular basis also lowers productivity.
I did a jay with my old man on the boat Sunday. Nothing better than slaying some fish and partaking in the herbage with pops.
I could pry hit the vape everyday. I couldn't drink everyday.
I could pry hit the vape everyday. I couldn't drink everyday.
calveless wonder
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rofl
mrplunkey
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It most definitely does. But a lot of alcoholics (functional ones) sober-up overnight. While they may not be at their physical best, they can still show-up the next day and mentally perform at near 100%.
Daily stoners can't do that. I'm sure they think they are fine, but regular (i.e. almost daily or daily) pot use leaves you in a fog that can't be shaken with a single night's sleep.
I dont know rob, I got baked last night and feel fine today, and have been getting stuff done that if I was hungover I would have said "fuck this today"
jiggagold
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You obviously know nothing about smoking or what youve experienced the minimal times you have smoked is totally off base and biased. There is no fog and when you wake up youre refreshed not hung over feeling like shit. After a night of drinking I do things i never do like eat shitty food and be unproductive.
calveless wonder
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Do you seriously believe what you just wrote
calveless wonder
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Being hungover for most people = your day is fucked. Most Human beings experience hangovers.
When I plan to go out, it basically counts as 2 days of not being productive (the night, and the following day).
I get baked at night, maybe I wake up a little groggy but some caffeine or a workout and I'm 100% of what i would be.
When I plan to go out, it basically counts as 2 days of not being productive (the night, and the following day).
I get baked at night, maybe I wake up a little groggy but some caffeine or a workout and I'm 100% of what i would be.
calveless wonder
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I love plunk, but he's the same guy who tried to justify recreational use of oxy/roxy's over smoking pot.
Lambruh
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mrplunkey
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Months ago I pulled a number of peer-reviewed published articles from primary sources on the after-effects of pot, including its short-term effects on cognition and memory. Here's the cliff's notes summary:
1) There is undoubtedly a short-term (1-2 days) after-effect from pot, even after the acute phase of the drug wears off. This effect impacts both cognitive and memory skills.
2) This after-effect is definitely more pronounced in regular (i.e. daily) users. True intermittent users experience much less of the after-effect.
3) There is overwhelming positive evidence that the after-effect subsides long-term, even with regular use that can include multiple uses per day.
Now I don't mind re-pulling the studies when I return to Knoxville, but if the best our stoner crowd is going to retort with is some anecdotal story about how they much energy they get from wake-and-bake, then it's just a waste of time.
1) There is undoubtedly a short-term (1-2 days) after-effect from pot, even after the acute phase of the drug wears off. This effect impacts both cognitive and memory skills.
2) This after-effect is definitely more pronounced in regular (i.e. daily) users. True intermittent users experience much less of the after-effect.
3) There is overwhelming positive evidence that the after-effect subsides long-term, even with regular use that can include multiple uses per day.
Now I don't mind re-pulling the studies when I return to Knoxville, but if the best our stoner crowd is going to retort with is some anecdotal story about how they much energy they get from wake-and-bake, then it's just a waste of time.
jiggagold
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Those studies are filled with ducktales and funny how you just one day decided to pull a bunch of studies on pot smoking and read them, sounds like more ducktales. How about this for a study, why don't you get smashed one night and high another, and tell me how you feel the next day.
You don't think alcohol fucks with your memory?
Its ok to be wrong every once in a while.
You don't think alcohol fucks with your memory?
Its ok to be wrong every once in a while.
billfred
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Never smoked pot but know if I have more than 2 or 3 drinks in one night, I am not worth 2 cents the next day.
If I pull a good ol college drunk, I am sick for 2 days. Next day is lay on the couch about to puke and the 2nd day is normal hangover day.
I hate hangovers and why I try to limit myself to two drinks.
mrplunkey
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I pulled those studies because I was having the same retarded argument with redsamauri. This is a roughly once-per-year EF debate. It's not like this is an area that's closely studied in the literature.
And don't get me wrong. Your study idea is a great one too. I just found $20 under a red car in the parking lot. I'm excited now, because if I ever need quick cash in the future, I just need to look under the closest red car.
P.S. Alcohol can definitely effect your memory. Long-term abuse kills brain cells and malnourishes you as well.
PICK3
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I found $50 in a dark alley adjacent to Cutter's
I just watched this documentary on the pot issue in this country.
The Union
Even if you sidestep the focal point of the flick it kinda makes you sick realizing how bass-ackwards and irrational we've gotten with our spending as a whole. It doesn't take much to understand the reasons either.
About the best logical, rational explanation I can muster as to why pot is still illegal if money was taken out of the equation would be that which they answered themselves. Its detrimental effects stay in your system far, far, far longer than any other narcotic. In a way it's a damn shame seeing as how by itself it's so much less harmful chemically than any other as well.
The Union
Even if you sidestep the focal point of the flick it kinda makes you sick realizing how bass-ackwards and irrational we've gotten with our spending as a whole. It doesn't take much to understand the reasons either.
About the best logical, rational explanation I can muster as to why pot is still illegal if money was taken out of the equation would be that which they answered themselves. Its detrimental effects stay in your system far, far, far longer than any other narcotic. In a way it's a damn shame seeing as how by itself it's so much less harmful chemically than any other as well.
redshirt27se
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It's not about the studies bro. It's about saying that a booze hangover is less detrimental to productivity than a weed hangover.
It's not even close.
mrplunkey
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It's an unfair comparison to begin with.
A person who smokes 5-6 days a week is going to have impaired cognitive and memory function compared to someone who drinks 2-3 glasses of wine 5-6 days a week. I don't see how this is so hard for people to see.
AztecWarrior
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Pick WEED not even a question. It helps me because I've lived with ADD for most of my life. All the people that I'm close with prefer me on. Nothing bothers me and my agression is under control completely. Could be easy to anger when off and restless. Besides there is more bad things that come with alcohol anyway.
AztecWarrior
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Everyone is different. I can still interact and do daily duties of live while on. People as a whole seem to always take the worse possible info and share that as it's main focus. If you can handle the drug don't use it, it's a beautiful situation to be in if you can. Live is a choice and everyone reacts differently to situations that are the factors of the end results. In the end, do what's best for yourself individaully as long as it dosen't hinder you, what's the problem?
are these EEG or PET scan studies on brain fog, or are these correlational "durr i smoke pot and dont feel like doing shit today" studies
calveless wonder
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first of all, pull these studies and lets see how valid they actually are (and who sponsored them, because we know 90% of studies done on cannabis have typically been funded by groups with conflicting interests).
Then, pull studies on alcohol that prove your claim of functionality. I must say, i loled at "the functional ones" when you spoke of alcoholics, as if to totally disregard the unfunctional ones. You're saying xyz about pot but completely disregarding the effects of alcohol.
Then, pull studies on alcohol that prove your claim of functionality. I must say, i loled at "the functional ones" when you spoke of alcoholics, as if to totally disregard the unfunctional ones. You're saying xyz about pot but completely disregarding the effects of alcohol.
calveless wonder
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no, what's an unfair comparison is using completely inequitable scales of consumption to try and make your point.
he doesnt have a clue what hes talking about. his ignorance of the drug causes his hatred, or maybe his hatred is why he is ignorant. maybe he is a script writer for anti drug campaign ads.
plunky, please limit your opinions to topics where they are respected and accurate - such as on hating womens
he doesnt have a clue what hes talking about. his ignorance of the drug causes his hatred, or maybe his hatred is why he is ignorant. maybe he is a script writer for anti drug campaign ads.
plunky, please limit your opinions to topics where they are respected and accurate - such as on hating womens
and hating on US goobermint, which he should be pro-MJ by proxy hahahhah
mrplunkey
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he doesnt have a clue what hes talking about. his ignorance of the drug causes his hatred, or maybe his hatred is why he is ignorant. maybe he is a script writer for anti drug campaign ads.
plunky, please limit your opinions to topics where they are respected and accurate - such as on hating womens
Who said I hated drugs? I'm a former recreational user. My um... Friend... Has had great experiences with MDMA, cocaine and oxys. Strangely enough, I never had the slightest problem with any of them. If an individual not having a problem is our standard, why can't I pick up a few bottles of each at 7-11 on my way home tonight?
I get entertained by the stoner crowd telling me how clear-headed and productive the are on pot. If someone told you what a great driver they were while drinking, would you buy it?
mrplunkey
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I'm pro legalization -- Once there is a guarantee that users never get subsidized by non-users via our ever-expanding social welfare system.
How come we keep having these intense EF stoner debates every 6-12 months? The posts are nearly identical, the threads follow the same trajectory and 90% of the posters are the same. It's almost like there is a group of otherwise healthy, relatively young males who are suffering from memory loss...
i am not very clear headed on pot. but i know plenty who are.
i do however fall under the jiggagold/cw/sdave arguement catagory, where i can smoke at night and be fine in the morning, whereas if i drink, i am sick for 1-2 days
also the drugs you mentioned have documented detrimental effects on brain chemistry and function, but "pot fog" i'm pretty sure has no chemical/medical basis
mrplunkey
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MDMA is an extremely useful tool when dosed correctly. Our military is quietly doing studies that involve MDMA in conjunction with psychotherapy for PTSD and getting fantastic results.
And yes, pot's after-effects from chronic use are well-documented. It's not a 'clean' drug in that it definitly lingers in your system beyond its relatively brief half-life.
mrplunkey
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That's another good point. Basing an opinion on a near-poisoning level of any drug doesn't make much sense. Alcohol to me is easy. You drink a few glasses until you start to think you might be a little slower in the morning. Then you stop for the evening, drink some water and carry on with your business.
Same concept applies to most substances, no?
how about we take "near poisoning levels" of marijuana to compare to the "near poisoning levels" of alcohol.
oh wait, thats not possible.
:rollseyes:
never had pot and jobs rarely test for alcohol so this is a no brainer for me....
you sure u doin it right?
you PUKED from ingesting nothing?
hmm sounds like an unhealthy physiological response (or a lie)
PICK3
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calveless wonder
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Do you piss your bed or drink unopen beverages when you smoke?
not a true Rob
mrplunkey
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sounds like you got an anxiety attack and puked "from nerves".
thats a you handling your mental shit issue, not a toxicity issue
uhh, no.
Still the same thing happens if you drink too much too fast. Just accept MJ and alcohol are different sides of the same coin. Each one has advantages and disadvantages to each user, neither one absolutely better than the other.
Of course agree, Im not saying accept mj for yourself personally. Just talking about the tolerability of both substances in general population.
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