Libor...WTF?

[EnderJE]

i live in a small town and i have lots of clients that are in the upper 5% of household incomes...and most of them are desperately looking to hire people right now too but they can't because obama keeps extending unemployment and no one wants to go back to work...the unemployment statistics are significantly skewed.

Maybe your clients should pay more for the wages?

Or are you suggesting that all of the unemployment gets cut and then your clients can pay whatever they want for the wages?

Or should more illegals be bus loaded in for the wages?

I'm not quite sure which one you're referring to...?

 

[digimon7068]

Maybe your clients should pay more for the wages?

Or are you suggesting that all of the unemployment gets cut and then your clients can pay whatever they want for the wages?

Or should more illegals be bus loaded in for the wages?

I'm not quite sure which one you're referring to...?

the ones that are looking to hire are among the higher wage payers in the county (yes, i meant county)...and the positions they are looking to fill are skilled labor that will pay substantially more than unemployment...the people on unemployment in my neck of the woods simply have no pride...period. don't get me wrong, there are a lot of entry-level positions out there as well that don't pay that great...however, oppotunities for advancement are virtually limitless, due in part to the high turn-over rates at those entry level positions...people that work hard and are eager to learn and take on additional responsibilities are promoted...however, anyone that would rather languish on unemployment, probably doesn't possess any of those characteristics.

not everyone is a hard worker, who is eager to learn and take on additional responsibilities...and, no matter what you do for those people, they will languish in mediocrity for their entire careers/lives, by their own free will...those are the rules of the land of the free.

please don't misunderstand my comments (like some bald, skinny, newbie, fucks around here are prone to do)...there are SIGNIFICANT problems with corporate america and they are 100% motivated by/associated with greed...but, i honestly believe that the day of reckoning is upon us...things are going to get fixed...it won't be perfect...and, to a large degree, a lot of us will learn to be happier with less than we are accustomed to...but, water always finds its level, and it's working real hard to do so right now.

 

[EnderJE]

the ones that are looking to hire are among the higher wage payers in the county (yes, i meant county)...and the positions they are looking to fill are skilled labor that will pay substantially more than unemployment...the people on unemployment in my neck of the woods simply have no pride...period. don't get me wrong, there are a lot of entry-level positions out there as well that don't pay that great...however, oppotunities for advancement are virtually limitless, due in part to the high turn-over rates at those entry level positions...people that work hard and are eager to learn and take on additional responsibilities are promoted...however, anyone that would rather languish on unemployment, probably doesn't possess any of those characteristics.

not everyone is a hard worker, who is eager to learn and take on additional responsibilities...and, no matter what you do for those people, they will languish in mediocrity for their entire careers/lives, by their own free will...those are the rules of the land of the free.

please don't misunderstand my comments (like some bald, skinny, newbie, fucks around here are prone to do)...there are SIGNIFICANT problems with corporate america and they are 100% motivated by/associated with greed...but, i honestly believe that the day of reckoning is upon us...things are going to get fixed...it won't be perfect...and, to a large degree, a lot of us will learn to be happier with less than we are accustomed to...but, water always finds its level, and it's working real hard to do so right now.

Damn, in that case, that's pretty bad. People are given a way out and not going for it but are happy to "drain" society's coffers.

I got no issue with people taking unemployment or being mediocre. Everyone is good at something, but not everyone is good at everything. However, I do have an issue if people are willing to live and drain the coffers without trying.

I've "known" you long enough to know where you're posts are coming from. BTW, what do you have against the French? I keed! Haha. You know, I've been working on minimizing my life to reduce my expenses and live on less. I don't understand out the amount of commercialism can be maintained. Regardless of the environmental impact, I can't see how it's fulfilling in the long term (or at least wasn't for me).

 

[digimon7068]

Damn, in that case, that's pretty bad. People are given a way out and not going for it but are happy to "drain" society's coffers.

I got no issue with people taking unemployment or being mediocre. Everyone is good at something, but not everyone is good at everything. However, I do have an issue if people are willing to live and drain the coffers without trying.

I've "known" you long enough to know where you're posts are coming from. BTW, what do you have against the French? I keed! Haha. You know, I've been working on minimizing my life to reduce my expenses and live on less. I don't understand out the amount of commercialism can be maintained. Regardless of the environmental impact, I can't see how it's fulfilling in the long term (or at least wasn't for me).

it's sad...i was walking to a client's office down the street a couple of weeks ago to drop off/pick up some stuff...the street was under construction...they were milling and resurfacing...milling is messy, lots of pebbles of ground up blacktop...the milling machine picks up most of it, but there's a stream on either side of the machine that needs to swept/shoveled into the path of the big rotary sweeper machine that follows behind the milling machine...the man doing the sweeping/shoveling HAD ONE FUCKING ARM!!!!!!!!! i submit to you that when the largest road construction company in my geographic region is reduced to hiring one-armed shovel operators, IT'S TIME TO SHUT DOWN THE UNEMPLOYMENT, MR. OBAMA!!!

the french? eh...they're just an easy target...i don't really hate them...hell, i don't even know any french people...kinda hard to hate someone you don't know...it's all for shits-n-giggles...that's why we come here, right??? i mean, ain't real life triffling enough??

 

[Jack steel]

I want a distribution of wealth closer to what we had before the 80s trickle down disaster that shifted all the wealth and power to a few people. There are 400 Americans that have more money than half the countrys combined net worth. Its not good for America. And it's not the free market when a few people have so much power they manipulate markets, as was the case in the subject of this thread.
We currently are living under an oligarchy. If we don't do more to favor the growth of middle class incomes, we will sink into a third world model, where we have the royalty and the peasants and nothing in between.
It's not socialism or "Robin Hood" tax money the way it was taxed between the great depression and the Reagan years. The highest tax bracket was always in the 60 to 90 percent range and that worked for America. In fact America grew to be the most successful nation on earth under those tax conditions.
The wealthy take the land and resources belonging to "we the people" to enrich themselves. I have no problem taxing them for the benefits they have received. I'm no cucksucker for the rich, how about you?

-40% of Americans have less than 1% of all the wealth
-Income growth for the top 1% has been exponential in the last 30 years, while it has been nearly flat for the rest of America.
-The top 1% has 40% of all the net worth of the country.
-In the 60's, a corporate CEO made about 30 times the salary of one of his workers. Since 2000, CEO's make 350 to 550 times the salary of an average worker.
-Private Equity and hedge fund managers make 16000 times the salary of an average worker, over 600 Million per year in 2006.

I don't care what party you like, those stats are not representative of the America our founding fathers envisioned. There are 2 simple choices. Let the trends continue or make policy changes to bring us back to a better America.

Watch that George Carlin Video. He nailed it.

Perhaps. But the top 10% still pays over 75% of all tax revenue. You can't keep them from being rich. Some fuckers need some prison time maybe. But redistribution is wrong. Period.

 

[Headholio]

...the man doing the sweeping/shoveling HAD ONE FUCKING ARM!!!!!!!!! i submit to you that when the largest road construction company in my geographic region is reduced to hiring one-armed shovel operators, IT'S TIME TO SHUT DOWN THE UNEMPLOYMENT, MR. OBAMA!!!

I thought you were going to use the guy as an example of someone who does want to work, and has the drive to do a difficult job. Or use him as an example of an inspiration of someone who doesn't let his misfortune get him down. Or use him to praise the employer who gave the guy a chance.
Instead you use him as an example of the bottom of the employment barrel. Maybe he did his job just fine. Maybe he's the best shovel guy that ever had that job. Maybe he comes to work on time and doesn't cause all the trouble that they had with the 2 handed bums they hired in the past.

Just something to consider.

 

[digimon7068]

I thought you were going to use the guy as an example of someone who does want to work, and has the drive to do a difficult job. Or use him as an example of an inspiration of someone who doesn't let his misfortune get him down. Or use him to praise the employer who gave the guy a chance.
Instead you use him as an example of the bottom of the employment barrel. Maybe he did his job just fine. Maybe he's the best shovel guy that ever had that job. Maybe he comes to work on time and doesn't cause all the trouble that they had with the 2 handed bums they hired in the past.

Just something to consider.

he was doing a kick ass job...and it was very inspirational...and they are a very good employer with excellent pay and benefits...but, seriously??? dude??? a ONE-ARMED SHOVELER??? come on???

you're a prospective employer.

you have a job opening for a goon-spoon operator.

3 guys apply for the job.

1 of them is missing an arm.

99.9999999% of the time, which one are you going to pick???

what should have happened is that every unemployed son-of-a-bitch that rode by should have gone home and opened the newspaper and picked a fucking job from the "help wanted" section and gone the fuck back to work. but, in reality, what probably happened is that they rode by on their way to the beer distributor (that is at the end of the street that was being milled), saw the one-armed dude shoveling his ass off and laughed all the way to the beer distributor...because most of them have no pride and no shame...we've created a generation of under-achieving, low-life, fucks...how's that for inspiration??

 

[Jack steel]

the ones that are looking to hire are among the higher wage payers in the county (yes, i meant county)...and the positions they are looking to fill are skilled labor that will pay substantially more than unemployment...the people on unemployment in my neck of the woods simply have no pride...period. don't get me wrong, there are a lot of entry-level positions out there as well that don't pay that great...however, oppotunities for advancement are virtually limitless, due in part to the high turn-over rates at those entry level positions...people that work hard and are eager to learn and take on additional responsibilities are promoted...however, anyone that would rather languish on unemployment, probably doesn't possess any of those characteristics.

not everyone is a hard worker, who is eager to learn and take on additional responsibilities...and, no matter what you do for those people, they will languish in mediocrity for their entire careers/lives, by their own free will...those are the rules of the land of the free.

please don't misunderstand my comments (like some bald, skinny, newbie, fucks around here are prone to do)...there are SIGNIFICANT problems with corporate america and they are 100% motivated by/associated with greed...but, i honestly believe that the day of reckoning is upon us...things are going to get fixed...it won't be perfect...and, to a large degree, a lot of us will learn to be happier with less than we are accustomed to...but, water always finds its level, and it's working real hard to do so right now.

I agree 100% actually

 

[digimon7068]

I thought you were going to use the guy as an example of someone who does want to work, and has the drive to do a difficult job. Or use him as an example of an inspiration of someone who doesn't let his misfortune get him down. Or use him to praise the employer who gave the guy a chance.
Instead you use him as an example of the bottom of the employment barrel. Maybe he did his job just fine. Maybe he's the best shovel guy that ever had that job. Maybe he comes to work on time and doesn't cause all the trouble that they had with the 2 handed bums they hired in the past.

Just something to consider.

oh and, the goon-spoon IS the bottom of the barrel...i've operated one quite a few times on real construction sites and it doesn't take long to figure out where you are in the food chain...on hot days, the equipment operators won't even open up the window (and let their a/c out) to bitch at you...they just scream at you through the glass window and you have to try to read their lips and figure out wtf they want you to do hahaha.

 

[digimon7068]

oh and, the goon-spoon IS the bottom of the barrel...i've operated one quite a few times on real construction sites and it doesn't take long to figure out where you are in the food chain...on hot days, the equipment operators won't even open up the window (and let their a/c out) to bitch at you...they just scream at you through the glass window and you have to try to read their lips and figure out wtf they want you to do hahaha.

oh and, on more than one occassion, the operator screaming at me was my old man...fucking prick.