No training while PCT = Keeping more gains!

[satyricon1]

After a cycle, when your hormone levels are completely fucked up, you start your PCT in order to get things back in order. You eat a lot to prevent losing weight. Hopefully you can gain some even.

If however you goto the gym, you cause micro trauma to your muscles, instead of repairing and building new muscle, the body now allows the muscle tissue to break down due to low concentration of maintanance hormone levels.

Every time I have done PCT, I have stayed out of the gym, just eating like a beast and relaxing.

I have never had a problem with losing all my gains...

Whats your thoughts on this?

 

[crushtime]

curious...subscribed

 

[satyricon1]

Basicly when you work out, you lower your hormone levels, the body tries to prevent muscle growth. Therefore, going to the gym while your hormones are non excistant is a no no. What IGG-1 is concerned, its a theory that microtrauma releasing IGF-1 while on PCT would be an anabolic factor, however, it is not this insulin growth factor alone that decides wether to gain weight (muscle) or not. IT simply signals that repairs are required.

I am personally 6'3, currently at 240 pounds.

Any and all muscle breakdowns caused by working out during PCT will make you lose more gains than needed. Cardio will have the same effect. Dieting will have the same effect. You do not have to eat 6000 kcals, but you should not eat less than what your daily requirements are. Usually something like 18 x your weight in pounds, should be fine.

Anyways, this is just my personal experience. I have also read about this, it goes against all "training logic and gym myths", but thats the point.. now isnt it?

Take a minute to think about it. When you have exceeded your genetic potential, there are even more processes in your body that wants to downgrade your musclemass. Even more important to stay out of the gym during PCT. The more muscle you have, the more you will lose during PCT if you goto the gym...

Ever heard about people that got sick at the end of their cycle, and far into pct... they could not got the gym, they were stuck in a chair or whatever. When they go back to the gym months later... hardly lost much strenght at all and the volume is still impressive once they get their pump going. Thats a prime example of this theory in effect.

Anyone got any personal experience with this, other than myself?

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

its true to an extent, however incorrect to a point

the better option is lowering the volume of ur gym workouts to adjust for the hormone decreases

that way only cause minimum damage to muscle fibers, n maintain ur metbalsim, boost up ur hormone levels faster since weight training increases a release of natural hormones, maintain CNS strength etc

the main problem with people on PCT is usually they train like there on cycle still, or as u pointed out dont eat enough

u need to remeber muscle loss on PCT is guarenteed for those who exceed there genetic potential

if you are able to maintain ur gains during PCT fairly easy, it is also a sign u are not very close to ur genetic potential as alot of guys are on this forum are

ive seen alot of guys who brag about how they kept all there gains after PCT and brag about it, then they tell me there 5'10 and 190 pounds and i realise why, its simply coz there still a size a natural could have acheieved

then another guy complain how he lost all his gains with this super duper PCT everyone told him to run, then he tells me how hes 5'10 again, but 225 pounds and could neally bench 400 at the end of his 1 gram cycle, well wat did ya expect?

quoted for truth

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Basicly when you work out, you lower your hormone levels, the body tries to prevent muscle growth. Therefore, going to the gym while your hormones are non excistant is a no no. What IGG-1 is concerned, its a theory that microtrauma releasing IGF-1 while on PCT would be an anabolic factor, however, it is not this insulin growth factor alone that decides wether to gain weight (muscle) or not. IT simply signals that repairs are required.

I am personally 6'3, currently at 240 pounds.

Any and all muscle breakdowns caused by working out during PCT will make you lose more gains than needed. Cardio will have the same effect. Dieting will have the same effect. You do not have to eat 6000 kcals, but you should not eat less than what your daily requirements are. Usually something like 18 x your weight in pounds, should be fine.

Anyways, this is just my personal experience. I have also read about this, it goes against all "training logic and gym myths", but thats the point.. now isnt it?

Take a minute to think about it. When you have exceeded your genetic potential, there are even more processes in your body that wants to downgrade your musclemass. Even more important to stay out of the gym during PCT. The more muscle you have, the more you will lose during PCT if you goto the gym...

Ever heard about people that got sick at the end of their cycle, and far into pct... they could not got the gym, they were stuck in a chair or whatever. When they go back to the gym months later... hardly lost much strenght at all and the volume is still impressive once they get their pump going. Thats a prime example of this theory in effect.

Anyone got any personal experience with this, other than myself?

this does sound like a very good theory. Surely by not working out at all, it won't bode well for keeping gains. However, it could lessen the loss to an extent under this theory

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Take IGF and Osta like me and you will make gains when training like a beast during PCT:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...rmssearch-osta-sarm-pct-journal-725845-2.html

 

[dfein]

so now you have low hormone levels and you are overeating so you're now putting on bodyfat

heavy physical exercise upregulates anabolic signaling even in hypogonadal males.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

5x5 is PERFECT for PCT. It helps keep strength, its lower in volume, and ur squatting 3x a week which naturally releases testosterone.

Food is just as important.

 

[babushka]

Lower intensity that's what I do
Not going to the gym for about a month or more that's retarded.
imho

 

[Discreet User]

its true to an extent, however incorrect to a point

the better option is lowering the volume of ur gym workouts to adjust for the hormone decreases

that way only cause minimum damage to muscle fibers, n maintain ur metbalsim, boost up ur hormone levels faster since weight training increases a release of natural hormones, maintain CNS strength etc

the main problem with people on PCT is usually they train like there on cycle still, or as u pointed out dont eat enough

u need to remeber muscle loss on PCT is guarenteed for those who exceed there genetic potential

if you are able to maintain ur gains during PCT fairly easy, it is also a sign u are not very close to ur genetic potential as alot of guys are on this forum are

ive seen alot of guys who brag about how they kept all there gains after PCT and brag about it, then they tell me there 5'10 and 190 pounds and i realise why, its simply coz there still a size a natural could have acheieved

then another guy complain how he lost all his gains with this super duper PCT everyone told him to run, then he tells me how hes 5'10 again, but 225 pounds and could neally bench 400 at the end of his 1 gram cycle, well wat did ya expect?

Good post thatbloke.

I lost a fair amount during PCG, however now that I am 10 weeks from the end of my first cycle, I see that my body is in better shape then before the cycle. That's how I know I kept quality gains and added to my once maximum achievable natural physique.

To the OP:
Your post is interesting. I definitely agree that volume must be lowered post-cycle. However the devil is in the details in regards to how long you stop exercising for...