Re: 3 Questions for Dr. L


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Posted by RZ on February 04, 1997 at 14:21:44:

In Reply to: Re: 3 Questions for Dr. L posted by Dr L on February 04, 1997 at 13:42:02:

: : : : Dr. L

: : : : In your prior posts you mentioned the term 'testicular insufficient'.
: : : : By that , do you mean low free
: : : : testosterone and/or low total testosterone (~300-400ng/dl)?
: : : =Low total testosterone <600 for a <30
: : : If you have normal total testo but low free it's another problem
: : : generally it appears for obese male
: : : Low-mild total testo and high free testo is seen in obese female
: : : : Why not make use of Testolactone(Teslac) instead of proviron? Cost?
: : : Teslac is not a AS ,it prevents the conversion of testo in female hormone
: : : Provirion is an androgen which doesn't aromatize in female hormone
: : : It's slighty different, you can use proviron alone but you need to use teslac with a testosterone-like
: : : otherwise it's useless
: : : : Would adding Deca (~200 - 400 mg/week for 6-8wks)
: : : : to the Proviron/Oxandrolone stack defeat the purpose?
: : : you can not help you to stack up AS ! The more you stack the more
: : : you are likely to get acute side effects. Stop to always think in term of cycle
: : : i have already explained than longer, fewer is better and safer
: : : 50-150mg/ week of deca is sufficient, you can use Proviron/Oxandrolone
: : : or proviron/deca which is more potent but less safe.
: : :

: : : : Would this make hypogonadism worse?
: : : of course
: : : : terms of nitrogen retention
: : : with deca it would be improved BUT side effects too
: : : and finally you might be compelled to stop this "cycle with deca" earlier than "without deca"
: : : Do you want to improve slightly your nitrogen retention during 2 months or 4?
: : : recovery aid and possibly helping with joint pains associated with lifting.
: : : I can't say, i'm not enough skilled in BB, generally joint pain get worse with/after AS
: : : :
: : : : Thank you very much for answers and contributions.

: : Thanks for the info. Dr. L. So as a matter of review,
: : Let's say a 31 yo male has the following
: : hormonal profile:

: : total testo of ~350 ng.dl,
: TOO LOW for 31 yo
: : free testo of 17 pg/ml (normal should be 18-39,I
: : think).
: LOW
: : %free testo .47
: : LH ~5.3-8.4 MIU/ML
: OK
: : FSH ~3.2 MIU/ML
: NORMAL,LOW
: : estrogen 67 PG/ML
: TOO HIGH
: : Body Type: Mostly Endo
: : BF: 12-13%
: : Wt.: 198 lbs
: : Ht: 5'7"
: : no gyno, susciptible(sic) to hair loss:RELEVANT
: : testes size: normal :RELEVANT

:
: There is something wrong, if it was a true testes insufficient,
: his LH would be much higher

: Has this guy already used AS ? what,how much,how long, recently ?

: : This male follows an excellent diet and intense
: : exercise 4 times a week.

: Before i answer i'm waiting your answer about his previous AS use
: because it changes everything
:
: : Then if one follows your advise correctly then
: : he should the following:

: : a) it appears that this person is a type 1 based
: : on your previous postings. Therefore:
: : b) start at 10 mg of Provirion a day for 1st week and try
: : to reach 25mg by the end of the month. Take
: : a blood test and make sure LH is above 0.5.

: : So the questions are (please forgive me for repeating
: : what you might have already covered):

: : 1) Should one stay at 25mg of Proviron for life
: : or increase to 40 mg a day (for life)? Or
: : should one take Provirion until testo elevates
: : to ~600 and then stop?

:
: : 2) We have discussed oxandrolone and you have
: : stated that 40mg for 45 days is safe and effective.
: : Is there a time in the Provirion administration
: : period that one should start oxandrolone or at
: : any time of therapy (i.e should one wait a few weeks
: : after start of Proviron therapy or at the start)?

: : 3) There has been some who say that oxandrolone
: : has caused them indegestion problems. In your
: : experience how should one administer this drug?
: : In small divided doses? Before, with or after meals?
: It doesn't matter, it depends for each people
: usually it's better to take it with the main meal

: : Thanks again for your help

Dr. L

One more thing: The blood test was administered
around 12:00 noon. One intense lifting session
was performed the day before. One protein/high
carb meal was consumed 2 hours before the tests.

Thanks


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