Posted by APF on March 06, 1997 at 12:51:23:
In Reply to: Re: 2x2x2 OH NO! posted by Animal on March 06, 1997 at 12:31:30:
By the way, here are 2 posts that Animal wrote about the interum period on 2x2x2 (lame name)
-APF
I admit that I was skeptical just like everybody else was at first, but we can't ignore all the stories
coming in from Dartboy and the rest. It must work, but how? We can't decide what steroids to use
and if they should be 'long or short'lived. The point is that all the steroids worked on this cycle.
That is the key to solving one of the problems. All steroids will work because ALL STEROIDS
WORK BY EXACLTY THE SAME MECHANISM INSIDE THE CELL. All AS attach to the cell
membrane and are then tranported by the carrier (receptor is now gone, aka downgrade and another
one must be produced to take its place). The molecule is transported to the nucleus where it attaches
to a specific site on the DNA and induces protein synthesis. This is true regardless of what steroid
you take! So why can't we take AS all the time and keep making gains? The cell has its own
negative feedback system and it doesn't want to be producing protein all the time. Furthermore, the
protein and enzymes that the AS causes the
Dna to synthesize are NOT the same enzymes that create the AS receptor on the
cell wall. We therefore, need more receptors to make further gains! How
gain we extend a normal cycle that has plateaued w/o increasing AS dosage?
GH! and the key word here is growth. Apparently, GH causes more receptors to
be formed enabling growth to continue. This is how I theorize the 2x2x2 cycle works
They have apparently stumbled upon a way to upgrade receptors in the off
weeks. It is not the time off but what you take during the time off that lets
you keep or further your gains.
Let's say they have fully saturated their receptors with high doses of AS which
is the goal. But what does the body's normal hormone system look like. The
LF, FSH, and endogenous test will still be dropping no matter what steroid you
use! All your receptors are saturated or are in transport, so you have AS
and endogenous test floating around. This endogenous test has nowhere to go
and it starts your negative feedback system which we were trying to avoid
by doing it for only 2 weeks. This is why some of us have noticed that we
lose our sex drive while on 19 nors. This is not supposed to happen but it
does because end. test has nowhere to go due to saturation! It has nothing
to do with aromatization or type of steroid, its all saturated. That's great
but we need more receptors. Here's where the HCG/Clomid comes in! HCG works
via the hypothalamus and raises LH and FSH to try and kick your balls back into
production. But they haven't shut down in two weeks, so 2x2x2 says. However,
you are now your own AS factory and the AS has nowhere to go! But HCG mimics
what? Puberty! I think that since the HCG is working on the Hypothalamus that
it is also causing a rise in GH which makes more receptors. We made the best
and fastest gains when we were young because these hormones were of the roof.
The clomid is also essential because it is an anti-aromatase. What this does
is keep your end. test. from turning to DHT. Now the new receptors will
not be filled with DHT but with your own test and viola the gains continue.
I'll bet that someone on HCG only wouldn't see the same gains as HCG/clomid.
This is part one and I'm not going to post all this again, so if you want it
copy it now. The next session will discuss how we could use DNP, and/or T3/cle
to do the same thing and how it WILL work.
The main point so far is that it is not the AS but what you take in your time
off that is the important factor. This could also be applicable into the middle
and toward the taper of a tradional cycle as to increase gains as you go off!
I would use the traditional as that what my liver told me to do!
Let the discussion begin!
Anarchy in the USA!
I didn't want to write this today but since someone asked for it, here we go.
Some of this info is from Slinger but I feel it is reliable so I'm going to
base it on some of that anecdotal evidence. He stated that when you put DNP
on your unit that when you come off the DNP your unit grows! Another thing
we know about DNP is that it works directly on the cellular mitochondria. It speeds
them up and it is the second most important cellular regulator besides activation
of DNA. (mitochondria has its own DNA) Ok so the DNP is speeding up the
cellular metabolism which speeds up all the processes of the cell. But why
does it grow only when you come of the DNP? A DNP molecule looks very much
like the first ring in the chain of a AS molecule and it is very possible that
the DNP lodges into that receptor and blocks it until the DNP is kicked out
by the cell, which can't happen until you come off the DNP.
Now, a cell with a faster metabolism is creating more of everything, including
AS receptors which is what we want. But we don't need to take DNP to get this
affect. Another cellular regulator that we take at the end of a cycle to
try and stave off the losses is clenbuterol. It works by speeding up the
cellular metabolism, too. Therefore it should increase receptors and only
taking it for 2 weeks should not downregulate the beta-2's. Another metabolism
regulator is T3 and when you come off the juice your BMR is probably going
to go down. T3 is systemic and cellular as anyone who is hypothyroid will
tell you, a little T3 goes a long way in promoting recovery and muscle building.
Oh well, that's just a theory but it should work because a faster cell
will produce more receptors! This is a bit of a stretch but it uses mechanisms
that we already use at the end of a cycle and most of us have had luck with.
HCG/clomid would probably be better but this should work, too. Just an
alternative! Could use meta or al in place of clen. Let the
discussions begin! Anarchy in the USA!