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: : : By the way, here are 2 posts that Animal wrote about the interum period on 2x2x2 (lame name) : : : <Begin paste> : : : I admit that I was skeptical just like everybody else was at first, but we can't ignore all the stories : : : coming in from Dartboy and the rest. It must work, but how? We can't decide what steroids to use : : : and if they should be 'long or short'lived. The point is that all the steroids worked on this cycle. : : : That is the key to solving one of the problems. All steroids will work because ALL STEROIDS : : : WORK BY EXACLTY THE SAME MECHANISM INSIDE THE CELL. All AS attach to the cell : : : membrane and are then tranported by the carrier (receptor is now gone, aka downgrade and another : : : one must be produced to take its place). The molecule is transported to the nucleus where it attaches : : : to a specific site on the DNA and induces protein synthesis. This is true regardless of what steroid : : : you take! So why can't we take AS all the time and keep making gains? The cell has its own : : : negative feedback system and it doesn't want to be producing protein all the time. Furthermore, the : : : protein and enzymes that the AS causes the : : : Dna to synthesize are NOT the same enzymes that create the AS receptor on the : : : cell wall. We therefore, need more receptors to make further gains! How : : : gain we extend a normal cycle that has plateaued w/o increasing AS dosage? : : : GH! and the key word here is growth. Apparently, GH causes more receptors to : : : be formed enabling growth to continue. This is how I theorize the 2x2x2 cycle works : : : They have apparently stumbled upon a way to upgrade receptors in the off : : : weeks. It is not the time off but what you take during the time off that lets : : : you keep or further your gains. : : : Let's say they have fully saturated their receptors with high doses of AS which : : : is the goal. But what does the body's normal hormone system look like. The : : : LF, FSH, and endogenous test will still be dropping no matter what steroid you : : : use! All your receptors are saturated or are in transport, so you have AS : : : and endogenous test floating around. This endogenous test has nowhere to go : : : and it starts your negative feedback system which we were trying to avoid : : : by doing it for only 2 weeks. This is why some of us have noticed that we : : : lose our sex drive while on 19 nors. This is not supposed to happen but it : : : does because end. test has nowhere to go due to saturation! It has nothing : : : to do with aromatization or type of steroid, its all saturated. That's great : : : but we need more receptors. Here's where the HCG/Clomid comes in! HCG works : : : via the hypothalamus and raises LH and FSH to try and kick your balls back into : : : production. But they haven't shut down in two weeks, so 2x2x2 says. However, : : : you are now your own AS factory and the AS has nowhere to go! But HCG mimics : : : what? Puberty! I think that since the HCG is working on the Hypothalamus that : : : it is also causing a rise in GH which makes more receptors. We made the best : : : and fastest gains when we were young because these hormones were of the roof. : : : The clomid is also essential because it is an anti-aromatase. What this does : : : is keep your end. test. from turning to DHT. Now the new receptors will : : : not be filled with DHT but with your own test and viola the gains continue. : : : I'll bet that someone on HCG only wouldn't see the same gains as HCG/clomid. : : : This is part one and I'm not going to post all this again, so if you want it : : : copy it now. The next session will discuss how we could use DNP, and/or T3/cle : : : to do the same thing and how it WILL work. : : : The main point so far is that it is not the AS but what you take in your time : : : off that is the important factor. This could also be applicable into the middle : : : and toward the taper of a tradional cycle as to increase gains as you go off! : : : I would use the traditional as that what my liver told me to do! : : : Let the discussion begin! : : : Anarchy in the USA! : : : : : : I didn't want to write this today but since someone asked for it, here we go. : : : Some of this info is from Slinger but I feel it is reliable so I'm going to : : : base it on some of that anecdotal evidence. He stated that when you put DNP : : : on your unit that when you come off the DNP your unit grows! Another thing : : : we know about DNP is that it works directly on the cellular mitochondria. It speeds : : : them up and it is the second most important cellular regulator besides activation : : : of DNA. (mitochondria has its own DNA) Ok so the DNP is speeding up the : : : cellular metabolism which speeds up all the processes of the cell. But why : : : does it grow only when you come of the DNP? A DNP molecule looks very much : : : like the first ring in the chain of a AS molecule and it is very possible that : : : the DNP lodges into that receptor and blocks it until the DNP is kicked out : : : by the cell, which can't happen until you come off the DNP. : : : Now, a cell with a faster metabolism is creating more of everything, including : : : AS receptors which is what we want. But we don't need to take DNP to get this : : : affect. Another cellular regulator that we take at the end of a cycle to : : : try and stave off the losses is clenbuterol. It works by speeding up the : : : cellular metabolism, too. Therefore it should increase receptors and only : : : taking it for 2 weeks should not downregulate the beta-2's. Another metabolism : : : regulator is T3 and when you come off the juice your BMR is probably going : : : to go down. T3 is systemic and cellular as anyone who is hypothyroid will : : : tell you, a little T3 goes a long way in promoting recovery and muscle building. : : : Oh well, that's just a theory but it should work because a faster cell : : : will produce more receptors! This is a bit of a stretch but it uses mechanisms : : : that we already use at the end of a cycle and most of us have had luck with. : : : HCG/clomid would probably be better but this should work, too. Just an : : : alternative! Could use meta or al in place of clen. Let the : : : discussions begin! Anarchy in the USA! : : : <End paste> : : : -APF : : Thanks APF and could you add the Bromocriptine to these to posts as that also applies to boosting your GH and freeing endogenous test. Thanks. Anarchy in the USA! : : I happen to archive notes that I find interesting (such as this, known fakes/legits, etc), for future reference. : Here's what Animal wrote on Bromocriptine & 2x2x2: : Whoever raised this question to me yesterday should pat themselves on the back! : Bromocriptine could be used as a GH stimulator in the 2x2x2 weeks off period. : Not only does br stimulate GH, but it also helps with glucose tolerance, and : it causes a rise in free testosterone by inhibiting test binding globulin. : This sounds great, but there is a drawback. Parlodel and/or ergoset were : withdrawn from the market last year in use in lactacting women because it : was giving otherwise healthy people heart attacks and pluerisy. (pleurisy is : thickening of the heart) The pleurisy would onset only after prolonged use : which would be ok for for 2x2x2 but that heart attack thing is kind of scary. : Any researchers who have tried br could let us know. Just another option. Anarchy in the USA! : (end paste) : -APF

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