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The thyroid thread

Tatyana

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I have been diagnosed with hypothryoidism, quite a serendipitous finding really.

For those of you who don't know what this means, it is a chronic condition where my thryoid gland (located in the neck) doesn't make enough T4 and T3.

As these two hormones are those that control the majority of metabolism, the side effects can be quite far ranging.

I have a few interesting ones like losing the outer third of my eyebrows, being very sensitive to noise, and slight loss of hearing.

I have just started on 25 micrograms of thyroxine/day. It takes approximately 2 weeks for thyroxine to have any effect.

After about four weeks I am having bloods done again to see if my T4 levels are in the normal range.

I thought I would document my experience with this as I know I won't remember what it was like at the beginning later on, and I would also like to hear other's experience with thyroxine, either medically or as a bodybuilding drug.

I have contacted one of the natural federations in the UK already, and I have found out that this (and probably insulin) is the only hormone replacement that is allowed and still be considered to be natural.

I just have to provide a doctor's note.


Here is a wee bit of research I did in a medical book:


Hypothalmic-pituitary-thryoid axis

Thyrotrophic releasing hormone (TRH) is secreted in the hypothalamus and travels to the pituitary where it stimulates the thryotroph cells to produce thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH).

TSH is secreted into the circulation where it stimulates increased thyroid gland iodine uptake and thyroxine (the two main components of thryoxine – T4 and tri-iodothryonine – T3) and T4 and T3 synthesis and release

Serum levels of T4 and T3 are increased by TSH, as well the conversion of T4 to T3 (the more active hormone) in the peripheral tissues

T4 and T3 enter cells where they bind with nuclear receptors and promote increased metabolism and cellular activity

Blood levels of T3 and T4 are sensed by receptors in the pituitary and possibly the hypothalamus, if they rise above normal range, TRH and TSH production is suppressed, leading to less T4 and T3 secretion






Here is a HUGE amount of information that EddieMerck posted before:


The Thyroid Gland Part 1: Fat Loss, Muscle Growth, and Diet
by Dharkam


In this series I am going to write about the thyroid gland and the hormones that it produces (or that it no longer produces). Although the term "thyroid"' is often associated with fat loss, the thyroid also helps to gain or lose muscle. It therefore has other functions which will be described after we have established some simple ideas of physiology. I also reserve a large place for explaining why it slows down during a diet and how to restart it in a natural way.

The thyroid, how does it work?


The thyroid gland is situated in the top part of the neck. It produces several hormones which are crucial for the appearance of the bodybuilder. It is not a question here of flaunting our science with complicated terms. I am concentrating on what is important for the bodybuilder in terms of leanness and muscles, but it is important to understand how the thyroid works and its mechanisms of action.

The thyroid gland produces a substance called T4 (thyroxine or tetra-iodothyronine). This T4 is called a pro-hormone, as the scientists haven't succeeded in demonstrating a direct action by it. Of course, a pro-hormone, is nonetheless a hormone.

But its action is indirect, as it will, in part, be transformed into T3 (triiodothyronine) which is responsible for the actions of the thyroid. Not all the T4 is transformed into T3 -- it therefore constitutes a reserve of thyroid hormones in the blood. Its lifetime will thus be longer, the T3 being degraded more rapidly.

A portion of the T3 (20%) comes directly from the thyroid, the rest coming from the transformation of the T4. Tissues like the liver, the kidneys, the heart, the muscles or the central nervous system are the sites of this transformation.

The action of TSH

TSH is a hormone that stimulates the thyroid (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone) to produce T4 and T3. When these two are elevated, they lower the level of TSH. On the other hand, when T3 and T4 are low, the level of TSH increases.

In a blood analysis, a hypothyroid is therefore in theory characterized by a low T3 and T4 and a raised TSH, while a hyperthyroid is characterized by an elevated T3 and a low TSH.

In reality, many hypothyroids have not only a low TSH, but also a low T3. This is called having a "lazy" thyroid as the body does not react to the deficiency of thyroid hormones. Women often have this condition.

It is said that TSH determines the size of the thyroid gland. Those who take medications containing thyroid extracts lower the level of TSH, which means that they will atrophy their thyroid gland, sometimes even for a long time after the stopping of this medication. But why is this gland so important for the bodybuilder?

What are the effects of thyroid hormones?


First of all, they are a determining factor for basal metabolism. The more the T3 is elevated, the more calories the body burns, particularly in the form of heat. Therefore the higher the level of these hormones is elevated, the more your body temperature will be elevated.

In consequence, taking your temperature in the morning is a good indicator of the level of activity (or lack of activity) of your thyroid. Many women find that they are constantly cold, even in warm weather. This is often because they suffer hypothyroidism.

The thyroid hormones are also at once anabolic and catabolic. A weak level of T3 is mainly anabolic and very little catabolic. The higher this level gets, the more the catabolic action will predominate, while the anabolic activity reaches a ceiling quickly.

The thyroid hormones also have indirect actions. For example: only the action of either epinephrine or norepinephrine on the beta receptors in the fat cells has lipolytic (fat loss) properties. So if one blocks these beta receptors, the increased caloric expenditure due to a high T3 level will be derived mostly from muscles (amino acids), and not from fat. On the other hand, thyroid hormones help to reduce fat (and to gain muscle) by increasing the number of beta receptors in the fat and muscle cells.

Moreover, thyroid hormones are indispensible for the production of IGF-1 by the liver. A large part of this permissive effect, other than a stimulation of the secretion of the secretion of GH, is due to the increase of the number of growth hormone receptors in the liver.

Of course, all this works well if the thyroid gland functions normally. Unfortunately, this isn't always the case, especially during a diet poor in calories. We must therefore ask:

What are the effects of a diet on the thyroid gland?

This is not a secret for anyone: the stricter and longer a diet is, the more the body adapts to the deficiency in calories and reduces its energy needs. Metabolism slows down and the body temperature is lowered.

This action is essentially due to a reduction in the level of thyroid hormones in the blood. The lowering of thyroid hormones is produced not only directly by an atrophy of the gland but also by a lessening of the transformation of T4 to T3.

How is this lowering of activity of the thyroid gland produced?

Many hormones have a permissive effect on the action of TSH. The best known of these hormones are insulin and IGF-1. When one eats less, the plasma levels of these two hormones drop. The result is that TSH is unable to stimulate the thyroid gland properly [1].

The level of TSH drops under the action of many hormones. Cortisol, whose level is elevated during a caloric restriction, plays an inhibiting role on the thyroid in lowering the level of TSH.

Other factors are raised during the diet prevent the transformation of T4 (inactive hormone) to the active hormone T3. This is the case with glucagon for example. The T4 is degraded without being transformed into T3 or is transformed into an inactive form of T3 called reverse T3 (rT3). A deficiency in protein increases this phenomenon.


Some metabolites resulting from the degradation of T3 reduce the rate of conversion of T4 to T3.

The level of free T3 lessens when it is tied to a binding protein. While this extends the lifetime of the T3, it also renders it inactive.

A puzzling phenomenon needs to be pointed out. Normally, GH raises the level of free T3. This is one of the reasons why GH increases basal metabolism and reduces fat. One could therefore be entitled to expect an elevation of the level of T3 during a diet since the concentration of GH is raised following a caloric restriction.

In fact, it is the opposite which occurs. The level of free T3 drops in spite of a rise in the level of GH. Therefore, we must differentiate the effects of GH during a diet and when not on a diet:

GH with a normal or elevated caloric ration is essentially anabolic and increases basal metabolism.

GH during a caloric restriction is catabolic (for muscle and for fat) and is unable to oppose the lowering of the rate of T3.

These effects can appear paradoxical. They are explained by the increase or not of the level of IGF-1.

In conclusion:

The macronutrients will have an important role in the stimulation, or the slowing of the thyroid [2].

Carbohydrates are the key macronutrient. They have a direct action on insulin and indirect on IGF-1, while inhibiting the secretion of glucagon.

Therefore, The more you reduce carbohydrates during a diet and the longer your diet lasts, the more you will reduce the secretion of thyroid hormones.

This is the big problem of diets without carbohydrates. They will drastically reduce the basal metabolism, hence the value of periodically resuming a normal (i.e. not low calorie or low carbohydrate) diet to restart the thyroid.

Consequences of the lowering of the activity of the thyroid
Lowering of the secretion of thyroid hormones seems disadvantageous during a diet.

It translates not only to a lowering of the caloric expenditure but also to a reduction of lipolysis due to two phenomena: fewer beta receptors on the adipocytes and more potent factors preventing lipolysis. These factors are adenosine, phosphodiesterases, etc. As you can see, all this is very harmful for your fat reduction.

The solution seems easy: raise the activity of the thyroid.

Unfortunately, the thyroid hormones also have a large impact on the muscles. As we have said, the thyroid hormones can be catabolic for the muscle. Insulin, if it is present in a sufficient quantity, can prevent the catabolism induced by the thyroid hormones. Therefore when one eats normally, the thyroid hormones are essentially anabolic. On the other hand, when the level of insulin is low due to caloric deficiencies, it is impossible to protect the muscle.

Conclusion: during a diet, if the thyroid hormones were maintained at an elevated level, they would have essentially a catabolic action on the muscle. It is also one of the reasons why the level of thyroid hormones is reduced during a diet: preservation of the muscle mass. In consequence, people who take thyroid extracts rapidly lose mass during a diet.

We must also add that the degradation of thyroid hormones is potentialized by cortisol, and this hormone is also increased by the diet [3].

The muscle catabolism due to thyroid hormones is both direct and indirect: the thyroid hormones take amino acids from the muscle while increasing and accelerating the catabolism of amino acids in the liver.

To summarize, it is important to preserve a normal activity of thyroid hormones during a diet, without wanting to increase their level excessively with thyroid extracts.
 
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Thanks Tatyana do you think contest prep alone can be cause to hypothryoidism? I have know a number of girls to have lots of issues after a prep even ones that have competed naturaly dealing with things such as hypothryoidism and issues with adrenal glands?
 
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Thanks Tatyana do you think contest prep alone can be cause to hypothryoidism? I have know a number of girls to have lots of issues after a prep even ones that have competed naturaly dealing with things such as hypothryoidism and issues with adrenal glands?

As much as I love competing and I still have a few things I want to accomplish competing, I don't think that it is all that balanced a lifestyle for me.

I know some manage to maintain a healthy weight, but I find that I do put on a fair amount off season after a BBing comp diet.

It could be considered a semi-starvation diet and this is the normal response.

I also wonder if the dieting, especially the low carb dieting (which is known to suppress your thyroid), had brought this on.

Ironically, if it hadn't been for the low carb/anabolic diet suppressing my thyroid and elevating my TSH that wee bit more, it could have been years before I found out I was hypothyroid.

I am giving myself two years max to achieve what I have intended with bodybuilding, and then I am going to stop competing.

I used to have a far more balanced diet and bodyweight before competing.

There have been a lot of really great things I have learned from competing, but the rebound weight is not one of them.
 
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Wow Tat.

I really hope this all works out for you.

Thanks for sharing that info. Very good stuff.
 
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It is one week in so far on the meds and thus far I think I have been experiencing the placebo effect.

I am finally over my jet lag, but I am off again next week for three weeks just to have jet lag all over again.
 
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As much as I love competing and I still have a few things I want to accomplish competing, I don't think that it is all that balanced a lifestyle for me.

I know some manage to maintain a healthy weight, but I find that I do put on a fair amount off season after a BBing comp diet.

It could be considered a semi-starvation diet and this is the normal response.

I also wonder if the dieting, especially the low carb dieting (which is known to suppress your thyroid), had brought this on.

Ironically, if it hadn't been for the low carb/anabolic diet suppressing my thyroid and elevating my TSH that wee bit more, it could have been years before I found out I was hypothyroid.

I am giving myself two years max to achieve what I have intended with bodybuilding, and then I am going to stop competing.

I used to have a far more balanced diet and bodyweight before competing.

There have been a lot of really great things I have learned from competing, but the rebound weight is not one of them.

I am almost convinced that the low carbs diet can bring this on. As you said, it is known to suppress the thyroid. I know far too many people with this issue after being on a low-carb diet. Naturally, everyone's body reacts differently, but is not a natural way to live and certainly not a healthy lifestyle.
I do hope you get that resolved!
 
I thought I would update what has been happening on thyroid meds.

I was a bit naughty, and while I was meant to be on 25 mcg/day, after the drugs started to work after two-three weeks, I started taking 50 mcg/day every other day, and I felt SO much better on the days with the higher dose.

I had bloods done approximately 5 weeks after I started to see how I was doing:

TSH = 2.88 mU/L (normal 0.5-3)

fT4 = 14.3 pmol/L (normal 12-24)


I also still had a high cholesterol, I don't have the numbers here, but it was still around 7 mmol/L, and my glucose was around 6.2 mmol/L. These were non-fasting but still a bit high.


I also had a slightly elevated creatinine, which when used in conjuction with the eGFR (estimated glomerular filtration rate), it says that I am in the early stages of renal failure, which I am not.

I did fasted samples this week, about two weeks on, mostly as the GP I am registered with sent me a letter to come in to discuss my results.

This isn't my regular GP, my typical GP knows I am a bodybuilder so my creatinine will be higher, he knows I have had a diet experiment backfire so my cholesterol is super high, he has me sort out my own blood tests as I work in a lab and he would also trust my judgement to experiment with my thyroid meds.


This week:

TSH = 1.88 mU/L

FT4 = 16.1 pmol/L

Total cholesterol = 5.9 mmol/L (JOY - around/under 5 mmol/L is a healthy range)



It is amazing how different I am feeling. I really do think my thryoid gland has been on slow motion for about four or five years.
 
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As much as I love competing and I still have a few things I want to accomplish competing, I don't think that it is all that balanced a lifestyle for me.

I know some manage to maintain a healthy weight, but I find that I do put on a fair amount off season after a BBing comp diet.

It could be considered a semi-starvation diet and this is the normal response.

I also wonder if the dieting, especially the low carb dieting (which is known to suppress your thyroid), had brought this on.

Ironically, if it hadn't been for the low carb/anabolic diet suppressing my thyroid and elevating my TSH that wee bit more, it could have been years before I found out I was hypothyroid.

I am giving myself two years max to achieve what I have intended with bodybuilding, and then I am going to stop competing.

I used to have a far more balanced diet and bodyweight before competing.

There have been a lot of really great things I have learned from competing, but the rebound weight is not one of them.

Why do you think some people gain so much weight after a competition. Because this can be controlled, but I've noticed some people do appear to lose control with food after coming off a competition..
 
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Why do you think some people gain so much weight after a competition. Because this can be controlled, but I've noticed some people do appear to lose control with food after coming off a competition..

I think there are a few variables.

It could be considered to be a natural physiological response as the competition diet is a semi-starvation diet.

This has been documented in the Minnesota starvation study.

I thought I had dealt with coming off the comp diet quite well this year, but obviously the thyroid function issue messed it up a bit.

I did make a conscious choice to just have a few months off while I was on holiday, and it has done me the world of good.
 
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