A good safe way to take injectables

[Realgains]

In regard to injectables you ladies obviously prefer mild androgens like primo, nandrolone, and winstrol but many also like the strong androgen testosterone.

Preference is given to quick release esters such as prop, phenylprop, and winstrol, which isn't esterfied but has a fairly rapid onset and clearance. It would make sence for a women to prefer these esters since if sides come on that they do not like then they can bail out of a cycle sooner.

Primo injectable is very popular but is frequntly faked(test) and is in a long acting ester.

More and more females are injecting various steroids and testosterone LESS frequently than men do. This allows for most of the hormone to clear the system prior to the next injection. This seems to negate androgen build up somewhat, which of course can cause virilization.

Here are a couple of common choices and schedules....

Test Prop injected at 25- 50 mg once every 5-7 days for 8 weeks. A man would inject usually every other day for optimal hormone levels.
Another one is nandrolone phenylprop at 50-75 mg once every 7 days for 8-10 weeks. The phenylprop ester has a slightly longer half life than prop and thus the injection once per week. Men usually don't bother with this ester since only low doses per mg are currently made and this requires a large injection volume.
Nandrolone Phenylprop is a great hormone choice for the serious female lifter as it is very ananbolic and quite mild androgenically.

A good safe stack would be to use test prop and nandrolone phenylprop at 50/50 ratios. In this way one could get some of the benefit of test but with a reduction in total androgen. 25 mg of nandrolone phenylprop and 25 mg of test prop injected once every week would be great and also pretty safe.

The above doses are very moderate but can give excellent results. Top competitors and pros take a heck of a lot more and inject more frequently. I know of ladies that take 200 of test and 200 of nandrolone per week! They are of course very large and all have low voices and I bet they have had significant body and facial hair growth. (thank God for laser hair removal)

My wife just got her Superanabolin( nandrolone phenylprop) and can't wait to start with it. It a human grade nandrolone from the Checz republic and comes in 25mg per ml amps or 25mg/ml 2cc vials. She plans to do 50mg once every 5-7 days...will keep you all posted. AND I hope she decides to sign up with Elite.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Yet another example. Why not take the nanddroprop according to half life? Why 5-7 and not 3-4?

Spatts for optimal results yes you should take injectables once or twice per half life and if you are not that concerned about androgenic sides then wnat to put on as much muscle mass as possible then this is how you should do injectables.........but for those that are especially concerned about androgenic sides and want to be extra safe they can get very nice results form injections done less frequently. This is, by the way, how doctors give testosterone replacement therapy to females....they usually inject no more than once every month with an ester like enanthate.

I am just throwing up options for females....Remember the title of my post now.


My wife wants to start her cycle injecting once every 5-7 days and then perhaps she may switch to a more frequent schedule as that has not been discarded altogther ...she is quite paranoid now from her experience with test prop where she injected small doses every other day. She doesn't want much if any more clit growth and with every other day injections no time is allowed for androgens to clear the system and they do build up over time.

Also Bill Lewellyn recommends that females use injectables this way and he certainly knows more than me.

RG

 

[Realgains]

I thought docs only did that so women wouldn't skip periods.

...not that it should matter, necessarily.

I still don't understand the point of letting levels drop off for 2-3 days, then spiking them back up. Seems worse than a constant, level, low dose to me.

Yes you are correct Spatts......and the skipping of periods is an androgenic side. They wish to avoid all androgenic sides.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Spats Awesome Avatar!!

I really like this one.........sexy erectors he he eh

RG

 

[Realgains]

That doesn't explain what YOUR wife is doing.

What do you mean?

 

[Daisy_Girl]

It's my understanding (and I could be wrong!) that the longer a women is on, the more of a chance the androgenic side effecs will happen. That there will be a "build up" of andgrogens in the body and side effects are more likely. Which is why a cycle of Test should only be about 8 weeks long. Longer increases the likelyhood of angrogen build up in females.

Basically, dosing more frequently as to maintain constant levels is ideal. Which is easier in men because there is more room for error. I think the reason for dosing less frequently for females reduces chance of sides - less chance for androgens to build up.

But I can see where you are coming from Spatts - constant low dose better than spikes of high levels frequently. I agree with that - which is why when I start NP I had already decided to split my dose into 2. I'll start with 50mg/wk split into 25mg every 3-4 days. Seems like a compromise to me.... but maybe I am way off base.

But I doubt I am saying anything you don't already know....

 

[Realgains]

spatts one must aways consider several things when trying to avoid androgenic sides. First one needs to consider the androgenic strength of a particular hormone. Then one needs to consider dose. Lastly one need to consider time "on" the hormone.

A women could probably take a single shot of test cyp for example at 200 mg and get little to no sides, She would also get some gains from this athough not dramatic. Now if you take this 200mg every week for 12 weeks you will certainly get androgenic sides.

Here is another example from male users......I can do a two week cycle with very powerful roids in quick acting esters and at high doses and experince almost no sides. I do gain off this method. Now if I try to do this for 8 weeks sides come on.

It takes time for androgens to do their nasties...like hair loss, acne, prostate hypertrophy, body and facial hair growth, voice tone lowering, gonadal shrinkage etc.

In females the reason why the voice lowers is because the androgen causes the vocal cords to grow. It takes time for the cords to grow. Cord growth is like clit growth...take androgens for a short period of time and clit swelling occurs and this is generally subsides post use. But if you take that same androgen and dose for a longer period of time then actual clit growth occurs and this does not go away. One can take small doses of very mild anabolics like anavar and for long periods of time without experiencing much clit growth but even with this roid a long cycle produces more unwanted sides.

Anavar is 17 aa and as such it is somewhat hard on the liver but more importantly is messes with ones cholesterol profile even at relatively small doses(as do all roids) So why have a negatively affected cholesterol profile for 4 months when you can get great gains in two months.

Lastly one needs to understand that the best gains from AAS cycles come from the second week through week 6. After week six the rate of gain is reduced and after week 12 its really reduced. So why subject the body to 12 week or longer cycles when the best gains are seen before this time. I think 8 weeks is plenty of time to make some really good gains and this goes for men and women.





Hope this helps
RG

 

[Realgains]

It's my understanding (and I could be wrong!) that the longer a women is on, the more of a chance the androgenic side effecs will happen. That there will be a "build up" of andgrogens in the body and side effects are more likely. Which is why a cycle of Test should only be about 8 weeks long. Longer increases the likelyhood of angrogen build up in females.

Basically, dosing more frequently as to maintain constant levels is ideal. Which is easier in men because there is more room for error. I think the reason for dosing less frequently for females reduces chance of sides - less chance for androgens to build up.

But I can see where you are coming from Spatts - constant low dose better than spikes of high levels frequently. I agree with that - which is why when I start NP I had already decided to split my dose into 2. I'll start with 50mg/wk split into 25mg every 3-4 days. Seems like a compromise to me.... but maybe I am way off base.




Yes but a constant low dose will produce more sides than a spiking low dose....ie 50mg of test per week with dosing every other day VS 50 mg of test taken once every seven days.

In the second example a higher hormone spike is seen but then the androgen is allowed to clear. In the first example androgens are not allowed to leave the female body and this carries more risk.

Now with men that are taking relatively large doses for optimal gains then allowing the hormone to clear makes little sense. After all androgenic sides in men don't make us look and sound like females. I wish the opposite was true.
RG

 

[Daisy_Girl]

RG - all that makes sense to me, I do understand about side taking time to come on, etc. Longer time on increases sides, etc.

But I still don't see how splitting a 50mg dose into 2 25mg doses keeps the drug in your body any longer than taking one 50mg dose ASSUMING A 3-4 DAY HALF-LIFE.

Can you dumb it down even further for me?

 

[Realgains]

Since you used cyp as an example, I know several ladies who used it at 50mg a week for about 12-16 weeks, and even spiked the dose to 100/wk in the middle with NO perm sides and relatively few temporary sides. They have also repeated this same cycle for years, a few of them never go off.

It really must be an individual thing.

My initial thought is that if a person (woman) is going to be THAT nit-picky about androgenic sides, don't take an androgen.

MS, W6, you wanna feed this to me with a spoon? I'm still curious.

Yup 50 of cyp per week can be fine and give few sides in some but it almost always causes permanent clit growth.

I don't think being very concerned about androgenic sides means a person shouldn't take the androgen...I am always very concerned myself and I have been doing gear for 19 years with good and fairly safe results simply because I have been concerned about androgens.

RG