Low Testosterone on HRT - with BioIdentical Testosterone cream - not working

[newyorksurf]

I'm a 30 year old mail with low testosterone levels confirmed by 3 different testosterone tests. The three tests were given at different times of the day, two in the morning and one at 4pm. As I am lead to believe testosterone levels are their highest in the mornings by the results of the tests. The first test was given to me at 4pm, which yielded 172 ng/dl and the second two given to me in the morning at 8am which were 350 ng/nl and 400 ng/nl. Because the second two tests were in the 'normal' ranges (that of a 'normal' 70 year old man and not a 30 year old) the endocrinologist said that I am fine and just needed more sleep. I asked the Dr. "So I'm fine in the morning but low in the evening, so how am I supposed to function on that?" I also informed her that although I do not experience any ED, the 'urge' to have sex, just isn't there and I was afraid of losing my girlfriend as she thinks I'm not interested in her sexually as much.

So after spending $1,000+ on a Dr. to tell me what I already know (that I have low Testosterone) and then not doing anything about it, I got down on myself as I pretty much figured I would need to deal with low testosterone for the rest of my life. I'm sure there are others out there like myself that know how it feels to have low Testosterone that are reading this, it's close to 3:30pm and I feel like I'm trudging through the rest of the day so I can go home and take a nap.

I didn't let the experience let me down. I was destine to find help for my low testosterone levels, so I went to a Anti-Aging Dr. for a in-depth analysis of my endocrine system. The Dr. seemed very knowledgeable of the situation as wanted to help me out. I felt a wave of relief over my life and thought of every day until I received HRT as a page turned.

The Dr. gave me a series of over the counter supplements, here is the list below:

- Vitamin D 5,000 IU
- Pregnenolone 10mg (though I've read people take 150mg and still do not receive benefits)
- Melatonin (3mg, makes me more tired in the morning)
- Fibro Calm (basically some holistic blend with 5-HTP, the only thing in it that really works by making you groggy)

After the Dr. prescribed this to me I figured why not, I've got nothing to lose except my girlfriend. A month later I go in for a review of my extensive blood work, I told him that nothing has changed but I'm more frustrated as the stuff he gave me was obviously not working. He told me good news! That he was going to prescribe for me Bio-Identical Testosterone cream (extracted from Yams, currently looking into how this is done as it sounds fishy as testosterone molecules are already bio-identical) as well as Cortisol.

Here is what he prescribed me:

- 100mg/ml testosterone cream
- 5mg Cortisol tablet in the morning

I thought to myself, this is strange... Cortisol is catabolic and Testosterone is anabolic, wouldn't these things conflict with each other? and why would he give me Cortisol, does he want me to puff up like a big marsh mellow?

When I got home I looked up the 100mg/ml Testosterone cream and found out that your body only absorbs roughly %10 of the dosage. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t I be receiving a tiny dosage of testosterone, again only enough to keep me in the low ranges through out the day? Compared to androgel 10, I have read that those that use it absorb 100mg of testosterone per day, where as I am only absorbing 10mg.

As for the Cortisol, I decided not to take it, didn’t make sense to me as why I would need to gain water weight.

So here I am, at a loss, wondering what’s next. I don’t think I’m going to go back to that Dr. as I’ve already wasted 2k on Dr. visits and nothing has changed. Currently I’m working with a doctor out of UCLA that believes in raising Testosterone levels by blocking Estrogen at the Estrogen receptor. He told me that he prescribe Arimidex to his patients at first to see how their testosterone levels rise, if that fails he prescribes Nolvadex as a Estrogen inhibitor. As for now he’s trying to connect me with a Dr. out in NYC that can help me.

If anyone has had similar experiences, and have conquered them, please drop me a message on this thread. It would be great to hear from others that are going through low testosterone issues currently, as well as those that have conquered this problem.

I know what it’s like to be in the normal ranges for my age, I can think clearly, I have a nice amount of energy, and the drive is there in my personal and professional life.

Thanks for reading and,

Surfs up!

 

[ScMc]

How does it feel to be a mail?

 

[needtogetaas]

How does it feel to be a mail?

lets help

 

[newyorksurf]

Thanks, help is what I'm looking for

 

[C.K.]

Why dont you self prescribe yourself around 250-300 mgs of test a week?

 

[needtogetaas]

So you have not used the cream yet? I would at least give it a shot and see how it works for you.. If you do not like it then end all the cream crap. Get yourself a nice rash and tell your doctor it was the cream that gave it to you. Then tell him give me the damn test shot biznatch!!!

 

[testosterone tom]

NewYorkSurf, I have always had low test problems. So I know how you feel. You are in a good spot right now, however, as needsto has already posted up reply. His knowledge can help you, and I would start up a private chat with him (keeping in mind that he is very popular on this board, so a full blown conversation may take awile).

In my personal experiance, low test just sucks. So, much so, that when I reached 24, I read and studied, on this board and others, for around a year, until I decided to take the plunge and do HRT myself. But those were different times, steroid possession is now a (way out of balance) big deal and not something to go jumping into without looking at legal alternetives first. Once again, talk to needto, also look at Primordial Performance line of products.

The main reason I started the HRT was to avoid injury, grow a little, and keep my youthful drive. The arsenal I chose did that in spades. If legal alternitives work even a 1/4 as good, you should be fine. Check those out.

ScMc - LOLZ (sorry, Ive been a bartender for 15 years and the smartassed answer is always the best one)

 

[theemperor]

I feel terrible for you bro. Let me try to help you out. This is a discussion that is always popping up for folks like yourself who have health issues involving low Testosterone. These ignorant and uneducated Dr.s have a low understanding on the positive effects on HRT. Here is what you do.
1. Google for an HRT clinic in your area by all means.
2. If you cannot find one, try a youth/medicine/clinic.
3. Once you find one and hopefully a HRT, they will be able to take care of you and I would opt for self injections over visiting them due to clinical visits can get costly. Test Cream is only effective if your body takes it well in absorption but has to go through that first and by that time, you only get so much in your system. With that said, if the Dr. suggests cream, look to see that you try to get 20% Testosterone cream, not 5% or 7%. That low % is for females who have hormone issues.
4. MOST important: Listen to him on what he wants to script you for. Be confident and stand firm in your desire to feel young, full of energy, focused, and have a good sense of awareness because THAT is what Testosterone does for a man besides getting bigger and more horny! LOL. Thats what you need my good buddy!
So, when he says cream, you say that cream will be a hastle to deal with because of you being around family, kids, and girlfriend. You dont want to get that stuff on them because its medicated and messy. See what I am saying? This is only saying if you OPT for self-injections instead. So because of the hastle with cream, tell him that you would feel more comfortable with self-injections, as they are more convinient for you and that you are not afraid. You have to sound and act mature in front of the Dr. in order for them to see that, in which you are. Just saying for you to tell them you are really wanting to feel young again cause 350 or lower is not good evening or morning. I HIGHLY suggest to do some research on HRT and the benefits, so when you see the Dr., you will be VERY knowledgable in the topic.
Hope this helps you! Good Luck!

 

[RADAR]

I feel terrible for you bro. Let me try to help you out. This is a discussion that is always popping up for folks like yourself who have health issues involving low Testosterone. These ignorant and uneducated Dr.s have a low understanding on the positive effects on HRT. Here is what you do.
1. Google for an HRT clinic in your area by all means.
2. If you cannot find one, try a youth/medicine/clinic.
3. Once you find one and hopefully a HRT, they will be able to take care of you and I would opt for self injections over visiting them due to clinical visits can get costly. Test Cream is only effective if your body takes it well in absorption but has to go through that first and by that time, you only get so much in your system. With that said, if the Dr. suggests cream, look to see that you try to get 20% Testosterone cream, not 5% or 7%. That low % is for females who have hormone issues.
4. MOST important: Listen to him on what he wants to script you for. Be confident and stand firm in your desire to feel young, full of energy, focused, and have a good sense of awareness because THAT is what Testosterone does for a man besides getting bigger and more horny! LOL. Thats what you need my good buddy!
So, when he says cream, you say that cream will be a hastle to deal with because of you being around family, kids, and girlfriend. You dont want to get that stuff on them because its medicated and messy. See what I am saying? This is only saying if you OPT for self-injections instead. So because of the hastle with cream, tell him that you would feel more comfortable with self-injections, as they are more convinient for you and that you are not afraid. You have to sound and act mature in front of the Dr. in order for them to see that, in which you are. Just saying for you to tell them you are really wanting to feel young again cause 350 or lower is not good evening or morning. I HIGHLY suggest to do some research on HRT and the benefits, so when you see the Dr., you will be VERY knowledgable in the topic.
Hope this helps you! Good Luck!

Great advice here, My Brother was Prescribed Androjel Cream, the first thing it says is not to let the hand you applied it with comein contact with anyone else, he hated it,after over a month he dropped it because it gave him a rash and he wasn't sleeping.


I would give injectable test Cyp a try

RADAR

 

[newyorksurf]

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the help here and I strive to become an active member on the board as time progresses. As horrible as having all this stuff to deal with can be, I've been tackling it the best that I can. I really wish, and I'm sure all of you can agree with me, that the subject wasn't considered so taboo. I'm sure most of those who knock it do not know the first thing about the endocrine system.

When I bring up the suggestion of IM testosterone vs. the cream I've been taking - I get the response "Why would you want to go through all the hassle?" It's more of a hassle rubbing cream on my inner thigh everyday.

Currently I've been working with a doctor from the UCLA medical staff. He seems to think that by blocking my Estrogen at the Estrogen receptor this could convince my anterior pituitary to secrete more LH thus convince my testicles to produce more testosterone.

Has anyone had this experience with this method? I know this occurs within PCT by blocking the estrogen production, or stemming production. However this wouldn't be the exact case for me as as far as I can tell from tests I have a balanced Testosterone/Estrogen ratio.

The Dr. was recommending anastrozle for me and hopefully the doctor that he puts me in touch with out in NYC is familiar with the method.

If this method does not work, hopefully the Dr. can give me a balance of IM Testosterone and anastrozle to prevent aromatization.

Thanks for the sympathy and support, it's good to hear from others on here!

Surfs up!