Your experience is different from mine. I ordered S-4 from SS in the spring 2010. I experimented with the dosage and finally, 50 mg/day turned out to be great. I ordered another 3 bottles in the autumn (even for my 2 friends), but the stuff barely worked even at 60 mg/day. My friends were deeply disappointed as well, although they were first-time users. This is why the article about an underdosed SARMs product caught my attention.
Now I use Ostarine and S-4 from Unique. 15 mg Ostarine+30 mg S-4 produced mild anabolic effects, elevated liver enzymes to the uppermost normal range, and reduced my testosterone to 10% of ordinary levels. The drop of testosterone is my only big concern, because I haven't experienced this on S-4 before, and SARMs shouldn't be so suppressive. But I start to experience ocular sides at 30 mg S-4/day, which shows that (at least) this stuff is perfectly legit.
I went down to 10 mg Ostarine+20 mg S-4, but this dosage turned out to be barely anti-catabolic. These are objective pieces of experience.
That makes no sense. Side effects and effectiveness do not correlate the way that you try to make it seem. Thats like saying that your tren gave you horrid night sweats, kept you awake for days, and gave you heavy gyno - so it must be legit. When in reality, you could inject motor oil into your system and get the same effects.
Every company has a bad batch. If you havent found that out yet, you will. The same could be said of my experience with unique - and in either case, it proves nothing.
The fact that you're saying that your Unique S4 was producing results at 30 mgs is not convincing me of the 'quality' of the product........in fact, quite the opposite - it makes me very skeptical that you're even talking about the correct dosage. I would be very, VERY hard pressed to find anyone who said that they felt ANY effects from ANY companies' S4 dosed at 30 mgs let alone 20 mgs.
You can read write ups that say that researchers have found OSTA to be effective at as little as 5 mgs and S4 to be effective at as little at 15-20 mgs, but that was with serious professional tests, and I really doubt if you coud feel the effects without having it on a peice of paper in front of you.
Since you were candid with your experience, I'll do the same;
My first round of SARMS ever was S4 from Sarmssearch. I believe it was early 2010 as well. My cycle was actually logged on this site, and while doing a lean bulk on ONLY Sarmsearch S4 and some minor supps, I put on roughly 7 lbs and LOST ~2% bodyfat. Like you, I found 50 mgs of S4 to be perfectly sufficient for my first time and what I was trying to do.
Between then and now I used several companies and none of them matched up with my Sarmsearch experience. So, given that, I decided to try Sarmssearch OSTA. I was skeptical because I had yet to use an ostarine that actually had any profound effects on me. I ordered it, planning on doing 8 weeks at 15 mgs ED. I spilled a portion of my bottle about 3 weeks in and had to cut my cycle short to only 5 weeks. Even in that amount of time at 15 mgs ED, I was shocked at the results that I saw, once again.
But again, funds went thin and SS is expensive, so I decided to start trying other, less expensive companies again (some that I had already used, some that I hadnt). Until finally, late last year, I saw that unique was having its big sale on SARMS. I picked up 6 bottles of each - 3 of each for me, and 3 of each for a buddy of mine who was looking to try something different. Due to the way things unfolded, he started his cyle roughly 3 weeks before mine. We met up at his gym and trying to be tactful (so as not to offend my sensibilities), he basically said in the nicest way possible that he wasnt seeing any results. Naturally, I made sure he was dosing correctly, etc. and I told him to give the Ostarine a little longer and that I would start my cycle and see how it went.
I did start and to make a long story short, I had the same experience. 3 weeks went by dosing at 50 mgs ED S4 and 25 mgs ED OSTA and nothing. I realized that OSTA can take longer to kick in so I kept at it, but I began ramping up my dosage of S4 (I mean, what the hell, right?
). 60 mgs week 4, 70 mgs week 5, 85 mgs week 6, 100 mgs week 7, threw it out week 8. I have never, EVER, thrown a supplement out before I was finished with it, but after going up to 100 mgs ED with no results, and more importantly for me with S4, no androgenic effects, I trashed it. The only effects I recieved were side effects - so no I dont accept your theory that bad side effects = working product.
I decided to give them a shot again early this year and it was better, but I was still not impressed.
Moral of the story is that I've used Sarmssearch ever since and I wont go back to anyone else. I assumed that the my first unique experience was a bad batch, and it seems that I was at least partially correct. Lets hope thats the case.
I also want to point out that I'm really not trying to bash unique - a lot of people like their products and like I said, my subsequent batches were somewhat better than the first go around. I'm simply giving my story the same way another was given to me.
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