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Drugs don't work!!!

Nelson Montana

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Well, not for everything.

Ask yourself this question...

"WHAT DRUG WILL IMPROVE THE IMMUNITY SYSTEM?"

Answer: None.

If fact, any drug needed to support the immunity, such as an antibiotic , will cause a SUPPRESSION of the immunity system. But if the drug is needed in a life threatening situation, you use it. Then when you're over the danger period, you can recover.

Well, it's the same with PCT.

We use steroids, because they will do what the body cannot do its own. Then, when you no longer produce LH you may need a drug like HCG to recover. But then what? Well, what most people do is the dumbest thing you can do -- they rely on more drugs! In some cases it's Clomid -- which I think is a terrible idea because, first of all, it doesn't work on everybody and it can also actually raise estrogen.

That should be a surprise because that's Clomids medical purpose. That's why I think it's so hilarious when guys say "I don't want no natural shit, I need a REAL PCT drugs!" and they go about using something for breast cancer or something to increase estrogen in infertile women. BRILLIANT!

Secondly, even if there's a temporary elevation in testosterone from these drugs, the body has become reliant on the drug to do it. The effects never last once the drug use is ended. Now there will be those who argue that point, but I have proof. It's called a century of medical science. Just as an anti-biotic doesn't increase your natural ability to fight infection , no drug increases your natural ability to produce testosterone. It's NOT what drugs do. They are a temporary fix -- afterward you have to finish recovery on your own. That's how real world medical practices work.

So where does that leave us? Well, the short answer is it leaves a lot of guys who never fully recover. That's why it's become commonplace to recommend HRT for men in their 30's when you still should be producing buckets of testosterone on your own at that age. Hell, I USED STEROIDS and I didn't need HRT until I was 47. And that was after going through an intense period of stress. (Parents dying). I'd say it's a fair estimation to say that HRT shouldn't be needed until you're around 50. And you have steroid experts on HRT at 35. What does that tell you about their "expertise."

It's time to stop the madness of the parroted ignorance regarding PCT. An anti gyno drug has nothing to do with recovering the HPTA. NOTHING. And a synthetic estrogen that causes mood swings, impotence and vision problems ain't that great either. Use something that is DESIGNED TO TREAT THE CONDITION. Something that supports the body's natural ability to recover and produce testosterone on its own.

In a nutshell -- while "on" use HCGenerate to keep LH high, N2GUARD to protect against toxicity and support the immunity system and Formastanazol to keep estrogen in check.

After the cycle -- UNLEASHED to lower SHBG and increase Free Testosterone and maintain libido and POST CYCLE http://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Test-boosting-PCT/Post-Cycle-Double-Pack-p40.html to balance estrogen, detox liver and prevent erectile dysfunction.


After PCT Use BRIDGE to maintain gains until the next cycle.

There it is. You can call it hype, you can call it promotion, you can call it whatever you want, but it's the truth. This works. Anyone who's used this PCT correctly will tell you the same thing. Those who are ignorant of it, will be the only ones arguing the point.

Wake up and smell the 21st century. PCT is a time to get OFF of drugs -- not use more that will weaken you. Let you body get as strong as possible. Do it smart. Do it right.
 
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Dang Nelson that is a really good pc there. Thanks bro!!
 
That's the PCT I use after every cycle and I swear by it. I add 25mgs of clomid though cause it gives me better results, but Nelson knows what he's talking about.
 
Thanks, I hope it helps some people understand how they can do gear and still stay healthy .
 
Actually Nelson, some AAS do help immuno function by direct effects on progesterone, which is a potent anti-inflammitory.

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There are benefits while anabolics, no doubt. But it's indirect and offset by the side effects, so it's a wash. Incidentally, I wrote a piece back in 197 called "Steroids For Health.")

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As for SERMs not raising LH, FSH and T in hypogondal males, there is ample evidence to support that claim and notion.

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Not really. All speculation and misinterpretations. (Uh oh, here come the flawed studies I just know it).

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In a recent study done on Tamox, Tore and Rolax comparing HPTA restoration. Tamoxifen can out on top. In 8 weeks, 20mg/ED of Tamoxifen increased LH from 4.54 to 7.73 (+70%) and Test from 496.59 to 835.06 (+71%). After two months, 60mg/day of Toremifene increased LH from 4.05 to 5.05 (+25%) and Test from 496.59 to 709.79 (+42%).

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Right. And what happened after the drug was stopped? Get back to me on that one.




The effect of selective estrogen receptor modulato... [Fertil Steril. 2009] - PubMed result[/url

That's to treat infertility. A separate thing And all it says is that tamoxaphine was better than the others, but no numbers as to how well it worked.



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An "anti-gyno drug" does effect the HPTA by blocking the ER in the hypothalamus (feedback loop), therefore raises GnrRH, LH, FSH and T.

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Lower estro does not mean higher T. A common mistake.

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Tamoxifen and Clomid are actually given to hypogondal males across the world to treat 'low testosterone' in males with very low or no side effects at all in males.
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Yeah, but it often doesn't work -- and when it does, it's only while on the drug. Afterwards, T levels drop even lower.




Why is always the guys with 3 posts who want to dispute this?
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You see, the thing is.

If someone pulls you out on shit, you delete their message(s), as you have done my last 2 posts.

You have no fucking clue what your talking about at all.

Why cant you man up and have a decent debate with someone? Why? Because you'de look like the clown.

You dont even know the MOA of SERMs and AI's...

Coupla of things.

DO NOT talk disrespectfully to anyone on this board. Especially a senior member. You have 4 fucking posts and you're starting shit. Not a good start. That crap doesn't fly here.

#2: I've been at this probably longer than you've been alive, have had hundreds of pieces published in the field and I'm going to go out on a limb and say I know at least as much about it as you do.

#3. Don't act like an ass. Don;t think you know it all. Don't assume you know more than others. You don't.

#4: You didn't call me out on anything. I showed you where you're wrong. Listen and learn.
 
You see, the thing is.

If someone pulls you out on shit, you delete their message(s), as you have done my last 2 posts.

You have no fucking clue what your talking about at all.

Why cant you man up and have a decent debate with someone? Why? Because you'de look like the clown.

You dont even know the MOA of SERMs and AI's...

I am editing your post...... and giving you a warning.

debate all you want.. but you need to leave out the personal attacks. that won't be tolerated on here. if you have a disagreement with someone take it to a private message and act diplomatic with them. dont come on the board and start calling people clowns. I see it again and you will be timed out.

this debate is passionate on both sides and I am somewhat in the middle on it but its always good to have them because in the end everyone can make their own decisions.. thats what the board is for. but please be respectful!
 
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