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WarLobo

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posted October 17, 2000 03:15 PM

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Hey girl, you know the sitch.... Better start giving us some details!!!

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Okay.....
Started 10mg a day of oxandrolone on Saturday. Decided not to continue with the Primo, at this time. Liked it alot but it didn't like me....Next time will reduce the dose substantially.
Will do the oxandolone for 12 weeks. At the two week mark, am going to add 50mg Sust to the mix. Will do this every two weeks. Would start now but waiting for my Proscar.
Can't take any more chances with this hair!
Do NOT want to be combing over the bald spot!
Pretty psyched to start the Sust. Hoping for:
1: Increased strength (was happening with the primo)
2: Increased libido (had none on the primo).
3: Possibily putting a little size on!
Current stats are:
5'3" 125 lbs. Body fat 22% (doesn't look as bad as it sounds).
Will take a before and post when this is all done, providing I look better!
Question for WarLobo:
Can I load entire vial of Sust and then inject half and safely save half, for 2 weeks?


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I am storing my sust in the fridge. But I am only doing 1/4 amp. Yes I upped it to 1/4 /2 weeks.


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CT, DO NOT load the entire amp into one dart. Get four darts, load 1/4cc into each. This way you keep everything sterile and clean. And I would not go any lower than 1/4cc.

Get some Nizoral shampoo too, use one per day for at least three/five min. on your scalp

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Okay...
Will load it, as advised. Have been using the Nizoral for months. Don't know if it really helps or not but can't take any chances!
Will let you know how the Sust works!!
PS-Don't want to go lower than a 1/4cc. Was going to do 1/2. How's that sound?


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Hummm... Up to you on the 1/4 or 1/2. But may I suggest this? You could do 1/2cc every three weeks. This way, your two amps of sust would last a solid 12 weeks and be stacked off the top and in parallel with your anavar. And everything will be nice, level, and smooooth!!

I'm getting all worked up just thinking about this stack! But I'd get the sust going as it does take a few to kick in.

Don't get all worked up about getting horney either, it may not happen. Both Nitro and Glycerine have not experienced this effect this time around (sniff, sniff). Mean while, I can't put anything in my front pockets.... May need to up the deca dose as I'm starting to think the cats are looking good .... eeeeeps!

And just remember to leave the shampoo on the scalp for some good contact time. Also, you don't have to use much, just enough to cover your scalp - not clean your hair. I will use a cheapo shampoo first and then the Nizoral. You may want to toss in some conditioner after, as using it every day may dry both your hair and scalp out to much.

Lift, eat, sleep and grrow!!!!!!!!!

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Just for clarification - and it is important. Sust comes in 1cc amps, which contain 250mg of four test esters. A 1/4cc injection is @62mg of this test blend. A 1/2cc injection is a 125mg test blend. Each test ester releases at different intervals over (approximately) a four-week period. If you were to do a 1/2cc injection every three weeks then you would have a nearly even and consistent 40mg of test per week average. Of course it's not exact, but the idea is to avoid spikes which I am starting to believe are every bit as important as over all levels when it come to avoiding sides.

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Oh, goodie. I'm going to do a boot tomarrow.
I will go for the 1/2 cc every three weeks, than.
As far as the proscar goes, I'll do 1/2 a tab a day.

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Started the Sust.on Saturday. Did 1/2 cc. Today hit the gym, reluctantly, as left hand is really numb and achy. Did chest and increased ALL my weight. Must be a week on the oxandrolone, sust couldn't have kicked in that fast, but WOW!, I freaked myself out!
On declines I was barely struggling out 6 at 25 lbs. Did 10 @ 25 and then grabbed the 30's for 8! The entire workout went this way.
Then I jumped on the tread mill and ran for 20 minutes. Would have gone longer but they were closing the gym.
Left hand and arm is screwed. Going to make an appointment with the Doc in the am so will let you know what they say about this arm and hand numbness. Felt good will I was working out but later today, it is very fatigued.


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posted October 31, 2000 06:52 PM

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Hey, how you doing!?!?!

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I am doing fairly well.
Still having the other sides. Acne all over my upper back, hair still falling out.Damn....can't have it all! Artemis has told me the Ox will cause the same sides as the Primo and has advised against it. Waiting for a reply to several questions, from her.
Went to the Dr. on Friday and had her run some blood work. Don't have the results yet. Arm feels somewhat better tho'. Strength about the same at the gym.

If I can hold onto my hair, I would say, I am doing well!!!!
And by the way... I am shopping for that baby Harley gear! Have a bud that will be needing it!!!Mucho congrats!!!
It's the best thing I ever did!!!!

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posted November 01, 2000 02:26 AM

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Where Can you find the shampoo?


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Pam, you can get the shampoo at most any drug store.

Cocktails, this hair falling out thing has me concerned. You can deal with the acne, I'll get to that. And the swollen bodyparts And of course the sex drive. But I got to think you should consider dropping the anavar for now and see how the sust only will work for you. Both my wife and our friend like the test better - they both noticed some hair loss on anavar, Nitro more than Glycerine. You just may be better suited to low level test. Nitro will not even consider the anavar any more - she LOVES the test.

Acne, get the B5 vitamins going. As soon as I get home I'll post the name of the drug my doc gave me. Been working great, takes a while to work, but it dose

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WarLobo,
Artemis says to drop the ox for now, too. She thinks the test only is the way to go: Here is her post to me which I don't think she would mind me sharing as it has such valuable info!
"Allegedly it's quite normal to shed this amount of hair (and possibly more...)
But the androgens like dihydrotestosterone can interfere with it growing back properly. If you're thinning, I'd elect to do without the anavar (for now at least -don't toss it!) and start the finasteride right away. Half a
tab/day sounds fine. It'll be a small chip -I found that it's good to wash it right
down as otherwise I have occasionally caught myself coughing it up later. The doses are small here -was your hair already thinning before?
There's an obvious difference between these 'neutered' androgens like ox. and primo. as compared to <say> DHT or masteron etc. when it comes to readily apparent 'sides like body-oil and such. But I'm wondering if all
DHT-like AAS still contribute to the hair follicule shrinkage based on their
molecular shape alone....I feel like re-posting a more extensive warning on the
board concerning hair loss again. Good idea?"

I think, as always, she has very good ideas!
I'll drop the ox and just continue with the sust. I hope I can get this right, sooner or later!
I have been using the B5. I've been doing 5 grams a day. Ithink that was the recommendation. That's 10 of those 500 mg bad boys. I don't care that much about the acne, but it does look kinda bogus and tell tale. Let me know the drug the doc gave you. I'll have my GP prescribe it.
I don't know what's up with this hair thing. Maybe it isn't related at all. I'm still waiting for the tests from the Dr. She ran everything from a Lyme titer to a thyroid profile. Let's see what they say!


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Bump fot input!


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any info on the cycle ? how are your gains? just wodnering as for the proscar hopefullyit is helping you did you ever get pics scanned?


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Well I must say the sust is GREAT! No swelling, no flu like symptoms and I am one horny chick! They should be giving women with low sex drives SUST! Talk about a cheap effective cycle can't get much cheaper than a couple of amps!I am very happy it is not at all like it was with the primo. Again,I love this stuff!

Cocktails sorry to butt in on your post just had to say I LOVE THIS STUFF!

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Use Differin for the acne. Takes a week or two to start working, but clears things up nicely. Its a topical cream and requires a script. Very gentle on the skin, nothing like retin-A.

If you stay on the test, the acne may resolve with time. Kinda of like going through puberty.

The hair loss problem with OX is interesting. Never heard of that with OX. None-the-less, like acne, it may resolve with continuing use. A female BB I talked to at the Arnold had this problem years ago when she first started using AAS. She had since been on for several years (mostly test and nandrolone) off season. When she first started AAS she had some problems with acne and hair loss, but the acne resolved on its own, and the increase in hair loss slowed. She never became bald.

I don't believe that finasteride (Proscar) is going to have any effect on resolving the hair loss caused by OX. OX is already 5-alpha reduced which is why it doesn't aromatize. Proscar is a type II 5-alpha reductase inhibitor. Only works with test.

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F1
Glad to hear friend never went bald. I am beginning to wonder how long this can go on before the hair loss becomes obvious. I am quite concerned. I have started the Proscar as I am still doing the Sust 250 and do not want to add to the hair problem. I will look into the topical for the acne. My skin, which is normally so dry, it hurts, is now so oily, I shine! I am literally a grease bomb! Also little sore pimples pop up if I look away from the mirror.
Strength gains are good, but I am really pushing it in the gym. I make myself lift as heavy as possible. I now can only work out with guys as my one training partner is so disgusted that I can lift so much more than her, she has basically, quit. I told her I have been lifting longer, blah, blah, blah...but she just won't show up most days.
I have not scanned any pics yet as I have not dieted yet. I am basically eating what I want. I am carrying extra body fat, and at the moment don't really care. Will unveil in the spring when the cycle of test is over and I have dieted .


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Cocktails:

If I remember correctly, the hairloss seemed to go on for some time, but nothing came of it. I forget how many hairs are normally shed per day, but its pretty high (thousands). Because you are concerned and checking regularly, you may also be perceiving that you are losing much more than normal. Time will tell.

You may have to shower more often now, and don't use any moisturizers unless they are water based. Plain Ivory hand soap is best.

The Differin will help considerably.

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F1,
Thanks for the help. I figure I have been losing 100 or so hairs a day. It's really freaky as I have fairly long hair and I am always removing these long hairs from EVERYWHERE!
I hate to wash my hair, because it seems like it is clumps coming out, when I try to comb it out. I have to wash it at least every other day, even if I keep it pulled back, because it looks so oily. Also I am using the Nizoral, but was just reading about it, and it has very little anti-androgen effect and is really for irritation from Minoxodil.
I hope this starts to subside!
My work outs are great and I look alot better, more defined, starting to look cut, etc. but the hair thing is a real drag!


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UM LADIES

please AVOID Proscar... my cousin is a pharmacist and told me a woman should not even HANDLE THE TABLETS. literally not to touch them.

stay away!

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Clarify this for me... but as I understand a woman shouldn't handle Proscar if she is pregnant or contimplating pregnancy. It can cause birth defects. It reacts the same in the body as it does for a man. Encourages hair growth!


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No flame here NY but your cousin isn't thinking beyond what he is taught.

The reason women shouldn't take Proscar is because of the pregnancy issue, not because it is toxic to women.

There are studies done in Italy, published in legit medical journals that show the effectiveness of Proscar in women who have hirsutism. The drug was well tolerated and effective.

It inhibits hair growth on the face, body, etc. It reduces hair loss on the scalp because it is a type II 5-alpha reductase inhibitor. It also increases circulating testosterone concentrations while reducing circulating DHT concentrations. One study showed a decrease in cortisol as well.

Tell your cousin that the reason women would use Proscar would be to counter the effects of taking testosterone on facial and body hair growth.

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well shit F1 thanks!
i change my mind.. ladies who are juicing
PLEASE TAKE proscar lol
its good to know it has that effect on hair on women as it does in men.

thanks.


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Thank You F1.


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Update:
Have increased the Sust to 1/2 cc every 2 weeks instead of 3 for the 3rd dose. Seemed as if it was wearing off and then taking several days to kick back in. Strength continues to increase, slowly but surely. I look a bit leaner with out a diet change, abs more pronounced, etc.
Acne all over my back, sporadiac on my chin. Using Differin, didn't see much difference with the B5. Not using it anymore. Too many pills to swallow anyway!
Taking Vioxx for that crampy left hand. Has made all the difference in the world. Rudely reminded when I forget to take it.
All going well, but hair continues to shed very heavily. Wish I could get that to stop.
Still using the Nizoral and taking 1/2 a Proscar a day, but no change.
Anyone have any suggestions?????


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hey CTails, weren't you doing some work with the DR. on some of these issues?? Did anything ever come of that?

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Yah....
All tests where "Normal". Duhhhh. What ever the hell that means!


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at the risk of sounding like a real asshole here, ..does baldness run in your family? I'm not trying to upset you, but I'm curious as to why this situation is persisting with you. ....it just came to mind. I really don't know squat about female pattern baldness. I suppose it could still be the primo. Where are all the experts?!! c'mon guys/MS. The halflife table posted here much earlier rated primo at 5 months. Is that still the general understanding??

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Your doing everything right. Proscar, Nizoral, and with the test I've never heard of hair loss being a problem at all. (at this dose)

I think we need to get an idea of just how many hairs your loosing. Do a count one day. May take a few minutes to do, but at this point, I'm running out of ideas.

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I would gladly do a one-day count as a reference point.

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Ok, been doing some hunting and found a nice thread on this issue.
http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=702093973&f=312093973&m=774095834

Check it out and see what you think

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Are you seeing actual really thin areas or baldness or does it just seem like you are losing alot of hair? I shed heavily all the time - drives my husband crazy, plugs up the vaccuum cleaner and all the drains but I always have hair left on my head. This started a few years ago and has been pretty constant. Making sure that I take my vitamins seems to make a bit of a difference but I still shed. The point is maybe it is unrelated to the other stuff.


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Temple,
I don't have bald spots but am losing alot of hair, daily. It is constantly falling out. The entire strand... I took a count one day and I would say it was inexcess of 100 hairs.
I have to say that I noticed it in about May which was before any AS use.
I had gone back on the pill after a long hiatus. I only took the Pill for about 2 months tho'. I stopped when I started the Primo.
Hair has continued to shed. It may not be related at all, doesn't really seem to be but what else could it be?
The baldness gene is passed by the mother and my maternal grandfather Was almost bald, but the rest of the women in my family have very thick hair. Doctor has not given any input.


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okay, I did it. From this morning's shower alone, I counted 197 hairs. My shedding increases/decreases with the seasons....being the dog that I truly am

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Damn Girl...
You sure that was all from you? I better try another count.


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I'm positive. I told you I had a boat-load of hair. This shit is thick. I take my bodybuilding seriously! Hold up my head alone has increased my neck and upper traps by 40%! j/k

Seriously though, that wad of fur is typical for me and has been for years. I had a surgery when I was 16 and the anesthesia reduced my mop by nearly ? half.....It was wonderful.

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What kind of diet are you following? How many/what types of carbs do you eat? Somewhat recent research is showing that hair loss and "early-onset male pattern baldness" may be due to insulin resistance.

Lancet. Sept 30, 2000; 356: 1165-1166.

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Insulin Resistance?
What does that mean?
Monster can you help here????? I know insulin is your "thing".


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Means one is resistant to the effects of insulin. Could be at the receptor level, second messenger systems beyond the receptor, or with glucose transporters.

Bottom line, if given the same circulating concentration of insulin, everything else begin equal, the person with insulin resistance will not dispose of as much blood glucose into the cells, thus requiring more insulin.

GH and cortisol increase, while IGF-I decreases insulin resistance. Some oral AAS increase insulin resistance, while T and N may not affect or lower it. Obesity will cause insulin resistance. Metformin increases insulin sensitivity, etc.

Insulin resistance is what happens with Type II diabetes. Insulin is there, but it doesn't work very well.

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Cocktails

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posted December 09, 2000 03:10 PM

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Went to the Dermo yesterday. Said I have lost Alot of Hair! He asked 3 times if I had done any DHEA. I told him I didn't even know what it is, which is true.
He than said "No steroids, right?" and I said "Right". I couldn't tell him. I cannot have that in my file. He can suspect, but.....
He said that the Gp ran the Tyroid, which was good but she didn't do the hormone profiles he needs so he sent me back to the lab for a DHEA test. A testosterone (free & something else), and I think another TSH. He said see you in 2 weeks to discuss treatment.
Is he going to freak when he sees the results of the test. blood work?
He is a semi-pro ice hockey goalie himself, so I imagine he knows his stuff.
Can I blame some Andro or something like that?
and what the hell should I be doing about this hair? Should I take some Aldactone?
Help Folks!!!!!F1, Artemis, MS!!!!


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