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tnheygirl

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posted October 02, 2000 12:34 PM

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Hey
I wanted to check with everyone and see what your thoughts were on using very small amounts of Sust250-say 25mg/wk. Would this be at all beneficial to me? Warlobo, I read your post "started cycle" and need to know if 1 250amp injected every two weeks would be more beneficial than what I would think would be a more controlled dose injecting 25mg/wk. And the big controversy when exactly does it kick in. For my husband it was very easy to tell-wk 4 his body turned into a grease pit on 500mg/wk.


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Iron God

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posted October 02, 2000 01:15 PM

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25MG how are you gonna measure that out?

That's like 1/10CC your probably better off doing 1/4 or 1/2 every 2 weeks or make more sense.
Warlobo is definitley the fella to ask since he is conducting live experiments.


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tnheygirl

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posted October 02, 2000 02:59 PM

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Thanks IG I'll bump for WL


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WarLobo

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posted October 02, 2000 04:09 PM

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The sust equation for blood level is a crap shoot.... well, not really but it is a pain to figure. That is why we went with 1/2, or 1/4 cc's every two weeks and "felt' our way through it. There is never the perfect solution. For the same reason I like sust - it's combinations of esters that help keep a more mellow level, is also a problem with it in trying to actually figure out that level!

This is one reason we went to cyp for this next cycle. The Ladies didn't seem to mind the more frequent injections and it's a simpler to figure the dose. I am concerned about any "spikes" that might occure as a result of using just one ester, which in turn may lead to sides.... But like I said, go slow and stay low until know.... HEY! I like that phrase.

Even though they have done a few cycles now, this is still there FIRST cycle using cyp. SO all the old rule apply.0

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tnheygirl

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posted October 02, 2000 05:58 PM

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Thanks I believe I'll go with 1/4 cc the first 2 weeks and feel it out from there. Does it or does it not kick in quickly? I have always heard with men it takes a few weeks.


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Monster

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posted October 02, 2000 08:08 PM

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If I may toss my hat into the ring (actually I'll keep it on, my hair looks like shit)...
The reason men say sustanon takes so long to kick in is because they have NO understanding of deesterification.
The 4 esters in sustanon have different periods of deesterification, and most people assume they are taking 250mg so they have 250mg in them active... WRONG!
Using 1 cc as a baseline example, the injection would only give you 30mg of propionate active the next day (roughly the next day). For men that is not enough to make a noticable dent in their natural production and therefore nothing would be noticed.
For a woman, 1/4 to 1/2 cc is very potent, since even (at 1/4cc) 7.5 mg of a pure ester would be powerful in a system which has normally lower testosterone levels.
But like WarLobo said, the curse of sustanon is the difficulty in figuring the dosing level.

WarLobo: heres one for ya! Now as we all try to say and believe, test is test... but lets get into the nitty gritty and see if we're both on the same page...
While yes test is test, the ester ofit greatly effects the anabolic versus androgenic properties. Technically all esters should be the same, just with different periods of deesterification, but the longer acting the ester the greater the partitioning coefficient and the stronger the anabolic effect (by its being in the blood longer).
I think this has the most impact on women,and men who are estrogen sensative.
Since this is the womens board, we'll look at the womens angle...
I feel like a faster acting ester is wisest!
Like you said, its easier to figure out the dosage, but also like you mentioned there is a concern over spikes.
The concern over spikes is more than made up for by using as fast acting of an ester as possible. The faster the better! This way any problems are at best temporary, as the active dose clears the system quickly!
That should be the best way to keep sides low and to be able to "abandon ship" if you start growing a beard. Sustanon's total deesterification time makes it a little riskier in that repect, especially for the pure testosterone first timer. If you already know how sust will affect your system, its a little different (and if you are equipped to handle any sides or complications you may experiance). Otherwise, its a risky proposition at best.
Of course this only applies to straight up testosterone esters, not deeserification of nandralones and methenolones... (fuck winstrol in my opinion! "Depots" have too high of a DHT conversion in my opinion, and is useless even for dieting. It is so pitifully unandrogenic that it doesnt help you keep muscle in a low calorie situation, so its reduced water retention properties are moot. But I have been accused of being insane, so what do I know...)

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tnheygirl

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posted October 02, 2000 08:13 PM

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Monster-OK then.... I'll keep ALL this in mind bro.lol


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Monster

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posted October 02, 2000 08:16 PM

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But of course it goes without saying that you need to work it out to avoid spikes... but I thought Id throw that in too, in case anyone missed the implication...

"Go low and stay slow until you know"
You need to copyright that one, its a keeper!


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