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Precious

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posted October 02, 2000 01:08 AM

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Anyone able to give me some tips on abs and an ab routine. Would appreciate it.
Thanks


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MS

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posted October 02, 2000 01:39 PM

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What are you looking to achieve with your abs. By that I mean do you just want 'flat' abs, a 3D six pack, to work on reducing lower ab bulge or just to be able to see the abs you already have?? Or maybe you just want good ab strength to help stabilize your torso and lower back?


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JuicyGirl

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posted October 02, 2000 02:51 PM

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i want a 3D six pack :-)


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MS

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posted October 02, 2000 02:55 PM

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I thought you already had one JuicyGirl. Don't tell me you lost it already?


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JuicyGirl

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posted October 02, 2000 03:28 PM

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Yep - I had a nice 6 pack 2 months ago. Then I ate a bunch of junk, lost all my tan, and now I have PMS which means my belly is sticking out about 40 feet. UGH!

When I leaned out to 8% my abs looked good. But I really want to create deeper cuts which means bigger, fuller abs. Don't worry - I only gained about 2-3%BF but I'm back on the cardio and clean diet as of today if I can just keep this tape over my mouth so that junk doesn't keep falling in:-)


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Precious

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posted October 02, 2000 04:00 PM

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I would like to reduce the bulge a little bit but I know how to do that. Diet and excercise. I would also like to get the 3d six pack.


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MS

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posted October 02, 2000 04:40 PM

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Oh yeah, back to the question at hand. What you need to do is add muscle 'bulk'. That really requires the same sort of training as any other muscle group. In other words you need to do low rep/high weight ab work. Work in the 8-12 rep range with a weight or intensity that makes you REALLY fail by your last rep. Keep the form perfecto. I feel once per week of truly all out ab work is plenty if you're also doing really heavy training with the rest of your body. However, if you're not doing lots of other weights work, then twice per week is better. As far as a routine goes, it depends on what you have access to. Do you go to a gym, or do you train at home? Do you have access to cables, chin bar, decline bench, dumbells, swiss ball, etc....?


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Precious

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posted October 02, 2000 05:39 PM

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I go to a gym so I have access to all of the above.
Thanks for your suggestions so far!!


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MS

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posted October 02, 2000 08:00 PM

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Try to do sets in the 8-12 rep range. Try to go to 'failure'
Try to do a total of 3-4 exercises each session. 1-2 Upper abs and 1-2 lower abs.
Pick easy exercises to start with and when you can happily do 2 sets in a row of an exercise, try harder ones.
Only rest when you absolutely must, so take a short (10-15sec) rest between two sets of the same exercise, but none between lower and upper abs.
Try to take about 1 second for each rep, except for ab crunches which you do slower (2 secs/rep) for a better contraction and 1/4 crunches which you should do fast (2 reps/sec) because you're hardly moving.

These exercizes are divided into upper and lower ab exercises. Note that there aren't two separate muscles that you can truly isolate, so all the exercises stress the whole abdominal wall. However there are "clusters" of muscle separated by connective tissue (these make up the "washboard" or the "six-pack"). You can focus on the upper clusters by moving just the torso and the lower clusters by moving the pelvis.

For the lower abs, in increasing order of difficulty:

lying leg raises
reverse crunches
vertical lying leg thrusts
hanging knee raises
hanging leg raises

For the upper abs:

ab crunches
1/4 crunches
cross-knee crunches
pulldown crunches

Lower Ab Exercises

Lying Leg Raises

Lie on your back with your hands, palms down under your buttocks. Raise your legs about 30cm (12") off the floor and hold them there. Now trying to use just your lower abs, raise your legs by another 15cm (6"). Do this by
tilting the pelvis instead of lifting the legs with the psoas. Make sure your knees are slightly bent.

If you're big or have long legs or both, you should probably avoid this exercise. For people with legs that are too heavy for their lower abs strength, this exercise pulls the lower back into an exaggerated arch which is bad (and painful). If you have this problem you can either try bending your knees slightly and making sure you keep your lower back fairly flat, or just try another exercise.

Reverse Crunch

This exercise can be done on the ground or on an incline situp board. All you need is something behind your head to hold. If you use the incline board, use it with your feet lower than your head.

Lying on your back, hold a weight or a chair leg (if lying on the floor) or the foot bar (if using the situp board). Keep the knees slightly bent.

Pull your pelvis and legs up so that your knees are above your chest and then return to beginning position.

This exercise is very similar to a hanging knee raise, but a little less intense.

Vertical Lying Leg Thrusts

Initial position:

Lie on your back.
Put your fists under your buttocks to form a cradle.
Raise your legs in the air 20-30cm (10-12") off the ground, knees slightly bent.
If you feel any strain on your lower back, bend your knees a little more.
Raise your head and shoulders off the ground slightly if you can to help keep the abs stressed.

The exercise itself has four phases:

1.Raise your legs until your feet are above your pelvis; focus on contracting the abs.
2.Thrust your heels to the ceiling, breathe out, keep contracting the abs raising the pelvis out of the cradle of your fists.
3.Lower out of the thrust back to your fists, leaving your feet above your pelvis.
4.Lower your legs back to the initial position.


Hanging Knee Raises

You need a chin-up bar or something you can hang from for this. Grab the bar with both hands with a grip a bit wider than your shoulders, cross your ankles and bring your knees up to your chest (or as close as you can get). Your pelvis should rock slightly forward. Pause at the top of the movement for a second and then slowly lower your knees by relaxing your abs. Don't lower your legs all the way. Repeat the movement using just your abs to raise your knees.

Make sure that you don't start swinging. You want your abs to do the work, not momentum. It's important that you don't move your legs too far or your psoas muscle will be doing a lot of work and possibly causing back
problems as in a situp.

Make sure your pelvis moves, your lower back stays neutral or slightly rounded, not arched, and that your abs are doing the work, not your hips.

Hanging Leg Raises

Just like knee raises except you keep your legs straight. This requires good hamstring and lower back flexibility,

The American Council on Exercise's Aerobics Instructor book warns that they have the same back problems as conventional situps. This makes sense since, like situps, the legs are kept straight and the hips move. The Aerobics and Fitness Association of America (AFAA) also regards hanging leg raises as dangerous.

For safety you should probably stick to leg thrusts and knee raises.

If you do do hanging leg raises, make sure your lower back stays neutral or rounded.

There is an isometric variant done by gymnasts called the "L-Support", which basically consists of taking the leg
raise position with the legs held straight at a level just above the hips. The position is held for 10 seconds.
When you can complete this easily, try a higher position. The same cautions about back position still hold.

Upper Ab Exercises

Ab Crunches

Lying on your back, put your knees up in the air so that your thighs are at a right angle to your torso, with your knees bent. If you like you can rest your feet on something, like a chair. Put your hands either behind your head or gently touching the sides of your head.

Now, slowly raise your shoulders off the ground and try to touch your breastbone to your pelvis, breathing out as you go. If you succeed in touching your breastbone to your pelvis, see a doctor immediately.

Although the actual movement will be very small (your upper torso should move through less than 30 degrees) you should try to go as high as possible. Only your spine should bend, your hips should not move. If the hips
move, you are exercising the psoas.

Do these fairly slowly to avoid using momentum to help.

You can increase the difficulty of the exercise by extending your hands out behind your head instead of keeping them at the side. Make sure you don't jerk your hands forward to help with the crunch, keep them still.

1/4 Crunches

Same as an ab crunch except that you raise your shoulder up, instead of pulling them toward your pelvis. You can do these quickly, in fact it's hard to do them any other way.

Cross-Knee Crunches

Like ab crunches, take the lying, bent-knee position, but this time crunch diagonally so that you try to touch each shoulder to the opposite hip alternately. At the top position, one shoulder and one hip should be off the ground.

Pulldown Crunches

Drape a towel or rope around the bar of a pulldown machine so that you pull the weight using it instead of the bar. Kneel facing the machine and grab hold of the towel and put your hands against your forehead. Kneel far
enough away from the machine so that the cable comes down at a slight angle.

The exercise is the same movement as an ab crunch, but using the weight instead of gravity. The emphasis is still on crunching the abs, pulling the sternum (breastbone) towards the pelvis and making sure you exhale all your air at each contraction.

MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL is to really concentrate on working the abs fully with each rep. DON'T just go through the motions. Focus, contract intensely and make them grow. Good luck.






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cj

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posted October 02, 2000 09:34 PM

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WOW!!! I definately think MS covered it all! Thanks, MS...I will definately print this and use it....


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WarLobo

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posted October 03, 2000 12:58 AM

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I think I'm going to start collecting a service fee for MS advice. Dang women you do the board right!

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Precious

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posted October 03, 2000 01:13 AM

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Thanks for all that helpful info. I appreciate it. Is there any other ab excercises where you can use weight. I can do all the excercises you mentioned above, although I have never done the cable crunches, for twelve to sixteen reps and get two sets our of each. I would really like to know if there is a way to kick it up a notch. I really appreciated the info about rests inbetween ab excercise. Thanks for your time!


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JuicyGirl

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posted October 03, 2000 01:34 AM

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Thanks so much MS. You always come through with great answers! I have printed out your post and will be using it to remind myself about what I'm supposed to be doing. I have used all the exercises you mentioned in the past, but with longer rest periods and less exercises per workout. I'll let you know when my abs are 3D!


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