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 Sides on Primo...Help and Input Please!
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 170 |
Have been doing 100mg's of Primo a week, for 6 weeks. Have skipped the last two as have been having some sides. They are: increased facial and body hair (nothing major, just more frequent removal needed), acne, on shoulders and face (again.. nothing major, but I never break out and now I always have a zit on my face). Very oily skin (usually very dry!), total loss of libido,(just not really interested, but it's good once I get talked into it), possible hair loss(seems to be alot in the brush everyday), arms falling asleep at night and the worst one... (kinda embarrased here).. lets say, the man in the boat is very red and sensitive(not pleasantly either). I'm wondering, if Primo can do this to me, which is supposed to be so side free... will everything else be the same or worse? I really wanted to try some Test. next as I have gotten alot stronger on the Primo... Anyone ever have any of these problems?    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
Sure it's Primo and not nandrolone or something else more androgenic? Those sound like Deca related sides at 100 mg/wk. Ditto for the gains, most women I've talked to don't get much from primo at that dose. Test and Deca seem to be the strength promotors. The loss of libido is interesting, sure that's not a psychological issue (i.e., related to the swollen sensitive clitoris?) If you are indeed taking Primo and getting those androgenic sides, test is out of the question unless you want to look like a giant acne lesion with a penis. F1  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 480 |
Yes it's from the 100mg/wk. You should have started with 50mg/wk since you had no idea how you body would react. Primo is thought to be the safest for women, this doesn't mean there are no sides. I had amazing results on 50mg/wk and purposely chose the lowest dose I felt my body needed to get some decent results. Read the previous posts, many of us have been on it. One more thing, I find it very annoying that whenever there is a loss of libido its all the sudden "a psych problem" I too lost all sex drive the entire time I was on 50mg primo. If you have always had a good sex drive well of course it the hormones. Deca should be out of the question as F1 said. Next time, get everyone's opinion on how much to take and always go with the lowest. Hairloss is not somthing you want to encounter not to mention the other sides you are experiencing. The sex drive will probably return to normal in a couple of wks. Mine did. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
I too get a heavy andro experience from primo (and winnie). Much more so than deca or sust 250. It seems it's very individual. It depends on how you handle the andro. Yup, bounce it down to 50/mg and span it a longer distance in time (ie; 10 days instead of 7). How much deca are you doing?? | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 1822 |
Yup, seen this happen at 100mg before, but do not discount what F1 is saying here - Primo can be easly faked. If you recall, this was one of my reasons to just use a low level test cycle. I also always consistanly remind wommen to start out low and see how each roid responds. Untill you have tried it, NO ONE can tell you how it will effect your body. It sucks, I know. But there is a process to at least get through this. Are you using Nizoral shampoo to reduce the hair loss? ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1326 |
I had all the same sides, except the hair loss, with winny 1 cc eod for 9 weeks....all of them went away 2-3 weeks post cycle.... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 170 |
I am doing Primo ONLY! No deca, etc. This is a first cycle. I was going to do 50 mg but boyfriend said, Dont' bother. I will drop it to 50 for the next few and see what happens. I am using Nizoral and also massaging Aldatone in alcohol into my scalp. I am definetly stronger!! And that is increasing almost everyday, definetly every week. Gains have been good, just not real happy with th sides. WarLobo, you think it will be safer to do the Sust? That's really what I want to do next. Primo was aquired from a very reliable source. Will the hair loss stop, too? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 170 |
Bump... For additional help! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
Cocktails: I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but if you really are getting the sides you describe with primo, then it makes no sense to use sustanon. Sustanon is considerably more androgenic than primo and the sides you describe will only be worse with sustanon. Regarding the sex drive issue, since primo is not androgenic and is probably shutting down your own androgen production I agree with tnheygirl that it is probably hormone related, but sometimes the sides that women encounter with AAS play mind games and they are are concerned with what their sex partner might say about an enlarged clitoris, acne, increased body hair, etc., thus the loss of libido may be a subconscious means of avoiding those issues. Using sustanon will probably increase your sex drive considerably. Keep us posted. F1 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 170 |
Do you think I should take some Proscar for the hair thing. I am the most woried about the hair loss. Does your hair grow back after you stop? As far as the sex thing goes, I could really care less about the acne etc. My partner and I have been together a long time and we were really pshyced that my libido might increase. I just don't even think about sex at all now. (Or very little). I feel sexy, I just don't care if I have sex. Is there anything I can do that will not produce these sides? Damn... I was having a hell of a time in the gym! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 523 |
I've done two cycles Cocktails: 'anavar' was my first and deca is what I'm currently on. Honestly, I've had sides from both but minor. Both have messed with my m-cycle. (ie, I'm on my first m-cycle since my first deca injection and have been bleeding moderately to lightly for the last 11 days. Subsequent cycles will be irregular.) I'm dealing with some water retension, but managing pretty well with vitamin C. The deca has my voice dropping just enough to make everyone think I've come down with a cold: not a big deal. If you didn't catch my post from two weeks ago, I messed up on my first injection and did way too much. *sigh* Its a little deeper when I get up in the morning and when I'm working out, but in all I kinda like it. ..makes my singing voice real sexy! (I'm normally a second saprano). No noticeable hairloss: no acne: sex drive is up a bit on deca, but didn't see that with anavar. I find myself to be calmer than usual, but have seen an occassional aggressive snap (kinda of like I was in my late teens and early 20's). One thing that I've been keeping on the back burner through all of my experimentation is that my body is most likely going through an adjustment given that I've never done any sort of 'hormone therapy'. In ways my body acts like it just gets confused. I'm set up for my next cycle later in 2001 and it's going to be centered on Primo. Like everyone says, go slow and take note of your reactions. Once you have a good idea of how your body is going to respond, you can 'optimize'. Best wishes ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1326 |
that was one side I forgot to mention----my second cycle my menstral cycle dissappeared for about 4 months.....this cycle 7 weeks in & I havent had it since week 2---- | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
Cocktails: Proscar is only going to help if the androgen 5-alpha reduces into a more potent androgen (i.e., test into DHT). Primo is a 1-alpha methyl derivative of DHT, thus a type II 5-alpha reductase inhibitor is not going to do any good. Oxandrolone is still the least likely to cause androgenic sides in a female. But all androgens will cause sides at some dose. Anything else will make matters worse. JayeLynn is correct about the "body confusion" hormone issue. Some of the sides like acne tend to disappear, slow or stop with time if the person stays on the drug (i.e., hair loss, voice and clitoris changes. But going on/off constantly changes the physical and psychological status of a female to male then back to female. Quite a roller coaster ride. This comes from a couple of veteran pro female BBs I spoke with last year at a show who use T + N 200-300 mg/wk year round for maintenance. Sides stabilize, where they stabilize depends on the individual. However, they were fully virilized at this point. Baritone voices, shave a full beard every day, and there is no going back. F1 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 170 |
F1, So what would you recommend I do, at this point? Should I continue my cycle, dropping to 50 mg every 10 days? Yes, I have not had a period since I started the cycle. That side is very nice. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
CockTails: You have to make a decision as to what its worth to you to continue, even at 50 mg/wk. The sides vs the results. Only you can make that decision. F1 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
BTW, just because you are not having a period does NOT mean that you are not ovulating. Be careful. F1 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 170 |
F1, Thank you. Being a dumb ass isn't easy. I should have done even more research. I thought I was well informed. I guess my real question is: Will the sides stop when I come off? As this is not a great big cycle, I was hoping to continue to make some gains, clean up, and then try something else latter, but the sides have scared me. All the sides except the hair loss are ok. I can deal with them. Will my hair stop falling out when I stop? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
JuicyGirl hit it on the head. You have to ask yourself if you can live with the cosmetic sides forever. If yes, then its your call. If no, then stop here. Virilization is forever, muscle is only temporary. F1 | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1326 |
If I am correct, the only side that is irreversible is a change in voice- lengthening of the vocal chordes....I may be wrong, but I think the rest of the sides go away in time.... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 59 |
I understand how you feel. ive done primo and have endured the same sides. deepening of the voice, enlarged clitoris, bad skin etc. Now im on winny and have started very slow with tabs because i was tryong to avoid some sides. well i went up to 8 grams tabs, and now ive got that spread in my nose starting. My face seems to get swollen. its unfortunate that we must go through these sides but, the decision is always our own. if you continue hair loss that seems extreme, get off. also definitly lower your doses. im going back to 4 gms. a day. does anyone have facial swelling.also doing some GH with cycle. body looks great and face looks distorted. WHATS A WOMAN TO DO? lol | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 170 |
WOW! You gals are great, coming to my rescue with all this great info. I'm not sure what I will do at this point. I think I will try to acquire some Anavar. I really don't want to stop yet. I am just beginning and the gains I have made are encouraging. I will just have to take it slower.... I don't think I can live with the sides, for the rest of my life. I wish I could talk openly with some of the women BB's who did go the distance and see how they feel about living with the sides. I really don't want to shave a beard or grow a penis like clit....! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1075 |
The enlarged clit is sometimes reversible if you stop early enough, the voice deepening MAY be reversible is you stop before it gets too bad. Any whiskers or chest and back hair you sprout will be with you for life, but you can have them lazered if there's not too many. Hair loss is not reversible (just ask any males you know with MPB). Your hair will stop falling out, but the hair you've already lost is a gonner. The acne and muscle gains are temporary. However the enlarged pores and stretch marks from the acne and muscle gains are permanent. But the other way to look at the whole issue of sides is to look at the little old lady next door. You may or may not have noticed that she has a deep, croaky voice, lots more whiskers and thinning hair. In other words, these things will happen to almost ALL women if they live long enough. | ||
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Moderator
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Yah, getting old rather sucks.... no way 'round it. ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 170 |
Damn! Back hair!? Stretch Marks!? Deepened Voice!? I don't have any of those yet, but gee... I can't wait! MS is right. My grandmother did kinda resemble that description, so it's probubly in my genetic's anyway! She sure did make great homemade pasta tho'. Maybe if I'm busy cookin' no one will notice. I think I backed off in time! I may chase the old man around with a cleaver for awhile. This whole thing was his idea! Now I'm kinda.... hooked!
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Pro Bodybuilder
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now that's funny! ------------------ |
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posted October 02, 2000 01:00 AM