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Aaron Abernathy

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posted September 17, 2000 03:00 PM

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JuicyGirl,

I've been looking for info on GH here and elsewhere, and noticed your post under the Aug 23 "hgh for women" thread. I have a couple of questions (for you or any others with GH experience):

What did you use, Serostim or Humatrope? Did it have to be re-constituted?

How did you manage to measure out 1iu doses? How did you store the stuff?

I noticed the info on Serostim from Serono labs says to wait no longer than 24hrs after re-constiution before using the stuff. However, sources tell me this is BS; that Serono just likes to see people waste the stuff.

I'm thinking about using 3-4iu/day with a stack, maybe even with a bulking stack--even though I know that the usual advice for men is to use around 12-16iu/day for bulking.


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JuicyGirl

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posted September 18, 2000 08:02 PM

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I used Serono Serostim. I ran out of bacteriostatic water and began using the water that came with it to reconstitute. I share kits with my husband so it gets used quickly.

According to an anti-aging doctor I know the 24 hour limit is due to the high doses normally prescribed to AIDS patients. They reconstitute and use 1 18 iu bottle/day. (notice how there are 7 vials in each kit and 7 days in a week). This topic is controversial as I haven't been able to get solid evidence that using the water that comes with it would be okay for a week or so. We just took a chance and used each bottle within a few days after "hearing" from a few people that it would be fine.

Once the Serostim kits are reconsituted they must be stored in the refrigerator.

1 iu dose is the 10 line on a 1cc insulin needle after the vial is mixed w/ the water.


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Aaron Abernathy

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posted September 19, 2000 06:37 AM

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Thanks JuicyGirl.

So the bacteriostatic water acts as a preservative? And bac. stat. water is not the same H2O as the H2O included with the kits, right? Is it considered common knowledge that bac. stat. water + refrigeration is effective for preserving re-constituted HGH for a week?

Is there somewhere you can buy bac. stat. water? If you have to get it from a blackmarket source, how do you know it's genuine bac. stat. water?

Also, I wonder if benzyl alchohol would work as a preservative here? Without any solid information, I would suspect it would ruin the HGH.


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MS

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posted September 19, 2000 03:15 PM

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Benzyl alcohol is the standard preservative used for bacterioatatic water in Growth kits so it obviously isn't harmful to the GH. I would no more worry about black market bacteriostatic water than I would about any other black market injectable. That's my sarcastic way of saying stay away from the black market if you're worried about your health! You would be better to ask your pharmacist if they can supply you with some, or check out legit online pharmacies. The other thing to consider is use of the sterile water in an aseptic manner. In other words, submerge your vials in 70% ethanol for a few minutes to sterilize the caps, then use a super fresh, clean needle/syringe to inject the water. Do the same every time you draw out GH. You may still get some bacteria in your GH via the needle, but if it's minimal contamination and you keep it in the fridge and use the vial in a week or less you should be OK.


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JuicyGirl

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posted September 20, 2000 10:18 PM

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I still don't have the right bac stat water. So if you find a source please let me know. I don't think it's a controlled substance and if it is then don't let me know. Thanks.


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Aaron Abernathy

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posted September 21, 2000 07:42 AM

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MS,

>Benzyl alcohol is the standard preservative used for bacterioatatic water in Growth kits so it obviously isn't harmful to the GH.

You have me confused here. The growth kits contain STERILE WATER, right? Not bacteriostatic water. I'm pretty sure I can get benzyl alchohol, so I could just add ben. alc. to the water included in the kit? Or would it be impossible to measure out such a tiny amount of ben. alc.?

Also, for those interested in Serostim, go to www.seronocare.com. All the info. on the serostim package insert is there.


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MS

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posted September 21, 2000 04:22 PM

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I don't have time to look up the product sheets at the moment, but I can assure you that some of the GH kits are supplied with bacteriostatic water, and that water contains benzyl alcohol. So yes, if you can't get bacteriostatic water (It is NOT a controlled substance) then you can add your own benzyl alcohol.


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MS

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posted September 21, 2000 04:28 PM

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Drug Name: Human Growth Hormone

Pronunciation (HYU man grothe HOR mone)

Brand Names Genotropin� Injection; Humatrope� Injection; Norditropin� Injection; Nutropin� AQ Injection;
Nutropin� Injection; Protropin� Injection; Saizen� Injection; Serostim� Injection

Synonyms Growth Hormone; Somatrem; Somatropin

Contraindications Closed epiphyses, known hypersensitivity to drug, benzyl alcohol (somatrem), or m-Cresol
or glycerin (somatropin); progression of any underlying intracranial lesion or actively growing intracranial tumor

Warnings/Precautions Use with caution in patients with diabetes; when administering to newborns,
reconstitute with sterile water for injection

Stability

Somatrem (Protropin�): Store vials at 2�C to 8�C/36�F to 46�F; reconstitute each 5 mg vial with 1-5 mL of
bacteriostatic water for injection; use reconstituted vials within 7 days; avoid freezing

Somatropin (Humatrope�/Nutropin�): Store vials at 2�C to 8�C/36�C to 46�F; avoid freezing; reconstitute each
5 mg vial with 1-5 mL of bacteriostatic water for injection; use reconstituted vials within 14 days; avoid freezing

Dosage Forms Powder for injection (lyophilized):

Somatropin:

Genotropin�: 1.5 mg ~4.5 units (5 mL); 5.8 mg ~17.4 units (5
mL)


Humatrope�: 5 mg ~15 units


Norditropin�: 4 mg ~12 units; 8 mg ~24 units


Nutropin�: 5 mg ~15 units (10 mL); 10 mg ~30 units (10 mL)


Nutropin� AQ: 10 mg ~30 units (2 mL)


Saizen� (rDNA origin): 5 mg ~15 units


Serostim�: 5 mg ~15 units (5 mL); 6 mg ~18 units (5 mL)


Somatrem, Protropin�: 5 mg ~15 units (10 mL); 10 mg ~30 units (10 mL)


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Aaron Abernathy

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posted September 22, 2000 08:24 AM

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Thanks MS.

The only reason I'm being so fussy about this info. is that, as everyone knows, HGH costs many $$$.

It's interesting that Somatrem and Somatropin have longer reconstituted shelf lives, but are supposed to be stored (unreconstituted, I assume) at only 36-46 F. Serostim can be stored, unreconstituted, at up to 86 F, if I remember right.

Also, I wonder what the m-Cresol and/or glycerin are added for?


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MS

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posted September 24, 2000 02:48 PM

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I believe the m-Cresol is another bateriostatic agent (less allergenic then benzyl alcohol) and the glycerin is a stabilizer. But don't quote me on that. I think F1 hybrid could help out her? Or Artemis?

I also suspect that the differences in storage temperature have more to do with some of the manufacturers just being more conservative. Personally, if it were my money on the line I would store all the kits at the lower temp just to be safe. No problem shipping at room temperature for a day or two though.


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senior_gato

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posted November 18, 2000 09:46 AM

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Has anyone had luck getting bacteriostatic water at a pharmacy? I asked and I was told I needed a prescription. Online pharmacies also say I need a prescription.

I think this differs by state. Some people have luck buying syringes no problem, while in my state they won't sell them without a prescription!

Does anyone have an online site where you can actually purchase this legitimately?

Thanks!


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