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 how much of a break to take from Anavar? and why?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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I took an 9 week cycle of 10mg Anavar/day and then cut my dosage dramatically for 4 weeks. Could someone please explain why I need to take time off the Anavar? I really love it and am wanting it all the time(addiction, I know). Could I stay on a low dose for maintenance?     | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 29 |
JuicyGirl I assuming you are taking oxandrolone, either Oxandrin (American) or one of the foreign or new Mexican vet brands. If it is still labelled Anavar, its fake. Oxandrolone is a C-17 methylated AAS. Like other C-17 methylated AAS, there is potential for liver dysfunction with long-term use. However, oxandrolone is NOT extensively metabolized by the liver and because of its saturated A-ring, in low doses it is not liver toxic to a significant degree in comparison to other oral AAS. 10 mg/d is not a high dose either. None-the-less, I'd have your liver enzymes monitored (at the very least) but this doesn't always detect liver problems (yearly ultrasound would be better) and interpretation can be confounded with muscle damage. Also bear in mind that most oral AAS significantly lower HDL cholesterol. Again, intermittent use may not be a problem, but a chronically suppressed HDL could be in some people. BTW, what do you like so much about oxandrolone? Psychological or physical changes, or both? F1hybrid | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 89 |
It is real Oxandrine BTGs from an American Pharmacy. I also just heard that Tokyo Labs is supposed to be out with some real Oxandrolone available recently in Mexico. They are much cheaper but I'm not risking it since I have access to the BTGs. What do I like about it? Well, I'm stronger and harder than I have ever been and it helped me put on about 10 lbs. of muscle :-) When I stop taking it my body feels less tight. Psychologically I guess I love to train on it since I feel quite strong. I think this is typical of AS users. If I decide to stay (low dose of 5mg/day)on how often should I get my liver checked? Should I take milk thistle? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 832 |
Juicy, there is no strong medical reason for you to stop the Oxa at 5mg per day. But you will reach a point of diminishing returns, especially since you were up to 10mg per day for a while. I guess the question is "do you want to spend the rest of your life on this stuff"? If you take a break, then you can come back to it later and experience the joy of quick strength and muscle gains all over again. I guess there are worse things to be addicted to (cigs/alcohol/crack/rape.....) As long as you're not stressing your liver with other hepatotoxins, 5mg per day is not likely to cause any probs. Oxandrolone is known to be hard on HDL and blood pressure with prolonged use, but if you eat clean and keep up the cardio it shouldn't be anything to worry about. Maybe just have a good all round med checkup at 6 months. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 29 |
JuicyGirl: I agree with MS on the liver issue. There are studies in which children were given OX for 6+ years at a dose of about 0.125 mg/d with no adverse side-effects. I have never known OX to affect blood pressure however, especially at low doses. It doesn't cause water retention. The HDL issue is controversial. While most clinicians still stress out over decreases in HDL, there isn't anything to really support the contention that modest decreases in HDL due to AAS will in itself lead to coronary artery disease, particularly in a lean healthy individual. I'd get liver enzymes checked every 4-6 months. Perhaps a liver US once a year if you continue to use oral AAS. As far as cycling, that's your call. I never believed in diminishing returns, just the inability of the AAS to compensate for increased training loads. However, some time off between cycles is not a bad idea. Keep your diet clean and don't overtrain during an off cycle and you should be fine. Consider yourself very lucky to have legit access to OX. F1hybrid | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 832 |
My bad JuicyGirl. The Oxandrolone can result in what they term 'adverse blood lipid changes' (decrease in HDL/increase in LDL)and a decrease in T4/T3 thyroid hormones, but has NOT shown any adverse affect on blood pressure. Keeping in mind that those studies were done on middle aged men (can't remember the dose but I'll bet it was higher than 5mg per day) it may not even be applicable to a young female on a low dose such as yourself. Good luck with whatever you decide. | ||
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Moderator 
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Eight/ten weeks on, four/six weeks off. Never seen one bad blood work up using this patteren. Course they were taking more than just anavar.... Some good info you guys (and gals ------------------ Lobo |
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posted September 17, 2000 01:36 AM
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