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 "Keep it simple" revisited...
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Novice 
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Ok, there was a post on the other board about keeping it simple. I think it applies to women and men both. The post is geared toward the use of AS, but I feel it carries over to diet and exercises and life in general. Those of us that "stack" can get wrapped up in becoming overly "scientific" in what we, its kind of a wake up call  Heres my post as it was on the Anabolics Board....Ok, I liked that original post, and I had a little "keep it simple" episode which I feel is worth sharing. ------------------     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Somewhere along the line we should also remember to read the directions. Here are some: http://www.mayohealth.org/usp/html/202037.htm | ||
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Novice
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Nobody who hasnt learned as much as they possibly can and hasnt trained naturally for years has NO business using AS. Of course nobody can know everything, but just jumping blindly in is neglegent at best, and potentially dangerous. Thats why the internet is such a beautiful thing! Its very hard to get honest, competent help with anabolics. In the U.S., the stigma of injectable drugs keeps AS users considered akin to heroin users, and doctors are just not willing for the most part to discuss them. The way I look at it is that these younger guys who shouldnt use them yet are going to use them anyway. So we need to try and help them to at least be safe! Otherwise, its like all the years that society pretended that they could ignore the fact that young kids were having sex... which led to unplanned pregnancy and the spread of VD in people that may have otherwise avoided it... but damn, Im risking hurting myself if I climb any higher up on this soapbox, I have legs tommorrow, I dont need the injury. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Ahhhhhhh Monster my hero. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Monster, I know a ton of dudes like that (raisin nuts) is the term I use for them, the problem being is when they come off they lose most if not all of it. My prefered state of being is drug free, with most of my time spent off AS, Science is my weapon to maximize my results when I'm on and to keep what I have when I get off. Your buddy as I'm sure you know is gonna hit harsh reality because NOBODY can stay on forever. KISS is a good idea for diet and training but for AS science and careful plannig is key. IG ------------------ | ||
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Novice
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Oh, without a doubt. But at one point his priorities and mine were the same, now theyre different. The post was mainly to point out the fact that maga-dosing isnt needed for results, nor is pseudo-scientific stacking. We're talking about a guy who is over 300lbs. just using 500mg of sustanon. Where as most people figure a big guy uses whopping amounts and insane multiple drug stacks. Hell, when I was his size, I was using way more than him! But like I said, hes about to hit the stage at 282lbs at least. I dont even have the desire to compete again, but if I have my way, he'll be hitting the stage closer to 290lbs! Really, and lets be honest here Iron God, its unrealistic to think a guy with his sites on the IFBB can do anything other than either stay on long term, or cycle with heavy amounts and minimal off time. To me, a lighter regimine longer term is a lot wiser... for those of us not worrying about being pro, cycling is the only way! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Monster, I agree with you on the mega stacks (not necessary) the most SUS I ever took in one week was 500mg. And at 5'10 I can maintain 245 to 255 at 12%bf. I think genetics plays a big role in how you respond to AS, some people just have an high tolerence for any type of drugs and require alot of AS to get the same results as someone who doesn't. I disagree with you that in order to go pro and compete at that level you need to stay ON(but it does make it alot easier), that really depends on the individual some people's muscle just "respond" better to gear and manage to keep muscle on even with 3 months off AS(although they tend to get a little flabby). So I guess it's proof positive that it's more about your genetics and diet,and training than what your taking. just my 2 cents
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Moderator 
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Your point is well taken on the basic approach - which I have ALWAYS suggested for folks just starting out. One cycle, one roid. Especially women! But in my mind there is really nothing dramatically difficult about stacking. Your all American dbol/sust/deca stack is simple and quite effective. Add in a touch of T3 throughout, a primo kicker at the end with some clomid and you have a solid muscle builder. Injections could be done as little as once per week. This is still a basic stack! I love the way the dbol get you up and running until the test kicks in. The deca is groovy for them joints and the primo at the end makes for some permanent gains - even if it does feel like someone slammed my nuts with a baseball bat.... Stacking just is not that hard in my book. Of course education is the key, as well as years of natural hard work. But the bottom line is that I like to have an assortment of tools for any job. My 22oz hammer is great for 16 penny one blow driving, but for tapping in some finish nails on trim.... well, I would rather like to use a nice slender finish hammer - I like my fingers! And I do agree with your points on trying to be off more than on.... although I am going nuts waiting for my upcomming. Worse than waiting for Xmass! ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Novice
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WarLobo: In all honesty, I dont even consider sust/dbol a "stack" per se. I know a lot of people who will use 4 or 5 or more different drugs in one cycle. Which to me is stupid. Sust and dbol are nice for making good gains. The dbol goves you that intramuscular water which boosts your strength up. The increased strength translates to better damage to muscle fibers. The sustanon steps in with increased nitrogen retention and nutrient partitioning and heals those little tears up asap! A lighter, quicker acting AS at the end makes sense as a transition back to being "natural" (yuck, that words leaves a bad aftertaste )...In my early days I did some way out stacks. Like sustanon for 12 weeks. 4 weeks of dbol, then 4 weeks of halo, then 4 weeks of EQ during the sustanon. Also using 75 to 100mg of prop EOD (you know, god forbid my blood pressure should be normal... nothing like your ears ringing when you try to get up from the couch! and I dont even want to discuss tieing my shoes!!! My blood pressure was so high that taking a crap was considered cardio!) | ||
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