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F1hybrid

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posted September 06, 2000 10:12 AM

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Ladies:

I am contemplating writing an article on the topic of legalizing steroids for a medical or lay journal and I need some input.

Here's the question:

Would you support a reform in the AAS laws that would allow physicians to prescribe AAS for personal use in the US? Importation, distribution and possession of non-prescribed AAS would remain illegal, but doctors could prescribe them and access to FDA approved drugs would be permitted.

YES or NO, and WHY? and/or what would you suggest to improve the current situation?

Thanks,

F1hybrid


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Iron God

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posted September 06, 2000 03:32 PM

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Never going to happen with gear!

Might happen with weed.

And never on a Federal Level for either (at least not in our lifetime or with our current form of government)


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Aaron Abernathy

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posted September 08, 2000 09:22 AM

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F1hybrid,

Hope you write the article, hope it's good, and if you do, I'D LIKE TO READ IT!

You are aware of the decriminalize AS sites on the web aren't you? There are three I know of.

I would say the salient points of your argument would be:

1) Decriminalization would save $$$ from federal and state budgets. If this amount is significant enough, it will perhaps convince enough of the voting public to care about the issue, and thus, it will help mitigate the idea that it's political suicide for a politician to support decrim. of AS. (Remember that most people don't excercise, and could care less about AS use, and AS users.)

2)Convince people that the physiological/ psychological effects of AS are insignificant when they are used responsibly. Also show that there are drugs which are considered acceptable (eg, acetominefen, birth control pills) but are riskier. Does their risk outway their benefits?

3) Point out that the origins of the 1990 law were based on misinformation, and that the law was passed for political gain. (There's a terrific article by a guy named Denham in _The Journal of Sport and Society_, I think. Can look up the correct reference if you want it.)

4) Show the ill effects of Black Market AS use. This is a minor point, since most people will counter with, "They shouldn't be using anyway." But it's still relevant.

5) "Won't someone pleease think of the children???!!!" Protect the kiddies from AS use was a big part of the passage of the 1990 law, but I think the gov'ts own stats. say AS use in HS is up. What to do?

I would assume that much of the reason for teenage AS use is a desire to compete in sports, and that some of it is out of vanity/ desire for sex. Without going into changing our culture's emphasis on sports and certain standards what an "ideal" body is, you might try this as a solution:

If a young person, say 12 to 19, desires to use AS for sports, tell him or her that they can use when they reach a medically approved age. (I would say at least post adolescent by a year or two--ie, no stature gains lately). If a college or pro scout sees them, the scout has got to take into account that this person has more physical potential than she currently showing, and that she can juice if she wishes, and do so with the EXPLICIT approval of the organization they will play for.

Thus all you can tell a kid in HS is, "Work hard, work hard at your knowledge of your chosen sport, work hard at your technique. We both know that size/strength are a factor in some sports, but remember you can use AS openly, and with the approval of whoever you play for when the time comes at which we think you're physically ready."

As for the HS kid who wants to use out of vanity, give them these options: You can use now, risk fine/community service/arrest, risk the use of Black Market crap (dirty, fake, counterfeit, scammed, overpriced, underdosed--many here know the story all too well), risk stunting your stature. OR you can wait a few years, and use guaranteed good stuff openly under medical supervision.

Of course, the problems with both the athlete/ cosmetic user is that: a) He/she might want to dose at levels high enough to exceed what an MD would approve. b) The cost of use under supervision might exceed the black market price. I can predict insurance will not cover athletic or cosmetic AS use, it will be hard enough to fight the idea that AS use is an acceptable risk.

5) Another problem besides "a)" and "b)" above: where does AS decriminalization stand in relation to the "war" on psychotropic drugs? I haven't decided whether AS should be part of a larger effort to legalize all or most of the popular illegal drugs, or not. I'm inclined to say that AS should be part of a general legalization effort. I say this even though I'm well aware that AS are a very, very, VERY different class of drugs from psychotropic ("recreational") drugs.


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Aaron Abernathy

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posted September 21, 2000 07:14 AM

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F1hybrid,

What's up with this? Are you going to write that article, or not?


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F1hybrid

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posted September 21, 2000 09:34 AM

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Probably this Winter. It would be in collaboration with an attorney familiar with the AAS laws and probably an MD. It will have to be well researched and referenced. These kinds of papers require months to write. Then you have to try and get it published in a country that doesn't want steroids legalized. Remember, some magazines and producers of TV shows are paid big bucks to modify the content of their publications and productions in accordance with what the powers-to-be deem appropriate.

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Artemis

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posted September 22, 2000 02:13 AM

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Good long answer Aaron. I'll add some:

AAS should be removed from the controlled schedule and again be treated equivalently to other steroids such as Prednisone, oral contraceptives etc. This will help to remove stigma against their legitimate medical use. So doctors will not be so reluctant to use the even when medically necessary. The change to controlled status was theoretically not to affect hypogonadal people, but it DID !!

If a substance is no longer controlled then it is a simple matter to buy from a chemical supply house if you're either needy or knowledgeable enough to read and understand their catalog. -Just like the good 'ol days...

In the meantime it could be a better idea to simply pursue decriminalization. Namely that an individual would not get into any trouble by obtaining or using a private supply (as in Canada). But we should Always be investigating any dealers selling to minors.

In addition: any prescription should be recognized simply as an official note of a medicine's medical necessity as advised by a physician. The layperson should be able to get medications straight from a pharmacist without the prescription. Insurance companies could choose only to honour drug expenses if backed by a prescription.

And finally: the U.S. government should mind it's own business and quit bullying other contries to share and adopt anti-AAS paranoia.


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Aaron Abernathy

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posted September 22, 2000 08:42 AM

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F1hybrid,

Spot on about the media, government subsides, the effect of those hidden subsides, and the "war on drugs."

Anyone interested should take a look at:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2000/03/31/magazines/index.html?CP=YAH&DN=110

Journalism has really gone to hell in this country since around the 1980's, it seems to me. There must have been some sort of de-regulation back then that caused the change. Think about it: How many local TV stations are now owned by enormous public corporations? How homogenized is the news coverage of one station compared to another?

At least the locally owned stations had a chance of acting as though the news is a public trust to be looked after in a fiduciary way, not just a commodity to be used to generate maximum profit. Local owners didn't necessarily act as fiduciaries, but at least they had an opportunity to.

The same is probably true for print, radio, and internet news. Although I don't know. I've never researched it.

PS. Thanks Artemis. Hey, maybe Elite should start a "legalize/decriminalize AAS" forum?


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Monster

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posted September 22, 2000 09:34 AM

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WILL NOT HAPPEN!!! For many many reasons. One reason alone is the American stigma over injectable substances... most americans will look at a person injecting AAS the saem way they look at someone injecting heroin.
Not to mention that the government KNOWS that AAS is not as bad as they are making it out to be. Pure and simple.
Its been years and years of "disinformation" released to the public to make us believe they are the "root of all athletic evil".
Hell, Lyle Alzedo died from a brain tumor from steroids! (of course his wife argued that he got AIDS from his BOYFRIEND that he owned the L.A. gay bar with during their convienient marriage that lent him heterosexual credibility... was his nonstop abuse of his wife due to steroids? HA! more likely it was the mind of a man conflicted in his need to be himself -gay- and put on the macho football player act).
Oh hang on! What about the female runner (Im tempted to say Flo Jo, but I just woke up and cant think stright). She died from steroids use! Or did she die from the heart strain of years of blood doping? Or an actual heart condition that had no bearing on her AAS use? (come on, I used more gear last month than she proboly used in a year).
And dont get me started on the BIGGEST FUCKING LIE OF THEM ALL... "ROID RAGE"! That is the biggest crock of dog shit ever ever created! Gear may make you more of an asshole than you already are, but you are already an asshole to begin with. Ive never seen a regular down to earth happy go luck type guy go into a rage over AAS use. Anyone who does is using the gear a an excuse.
I use more gear than most people, 1 to 2 grams a week at times, and have NEVER even lost my temper! Its a lie, perpetrated by the government, and perpetuated by US!
All these reasons and so much more will stop it from ever being legalized. Those of us who were in the game when the steroid control act was being passed remember it all well. Doctors who one day were prescribing you AAS and extoling the virtues of it, the next day were telling you, "Hey, theres no eveidence that this stuff even builds muscle!"
Umm, I was 150lbs when I started coming to you... Im 250lbs now! Uhhhhh, HELLO!!!
But they were being leaned on by the AMA who was being leaned on by the government. Docotrs ended up coming forward later and admitting this.
Admitting that the government all but told them that they would lose their right to practice medicine if they didnt "play ball".
But whatever... the government has invested too much time and money into demonizing AAS to ever let it become legal... point blank.

As for weed, it should be legal. I dont smoke it anymore, but its no different than alcohol. But it wont either! The "war on drugs" is suprisingly profitable for the United States. To think otherwise is naive at best...

(my daily rant completed, I bid you good day)

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