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Cool Novice 
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Ladies, what can I cycle with E/C/A if I don't have access to clen? My source is not coming through for me and I don't know how to go about locating clen without the help of this friend.(I could use some advice on that too) So what can I use besides clen? HELP!     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 612 |
Dont cycle off! Ive never been impressed with clen. Its effects arent that impressive compared with E/C/A. What you could do is find an E/C supplement, so you dont deal with large amounts of asprin in your stomach all the time. Ive used E/C for nearly 5 years now non stop. The appetite suppresant effect diminishes, but the thermogenic effects actually improve over time. Id say, forget the clen, and stick with the E/C. Use it above the label recommendation in most cases. More of it, or more often. Being an over the counter supplement, they have to list the amount suggested at WAAAYYYY below the actual level to make it optimumly effective. As far as clen. Its overrated and under-understood... The supposed "anticatobolic" effects it is touted to have have never panned out. The dosage needed to recreate that effect in people would drop you like a fly. Sure its a bet agonist, and a CNS stimulant, but its also expensive, and the dosing is tricky... I use an E/C supplement before every meal. It says the dosage is 2 and I take 3 or 4 (depending how late in the day it is). Hope that helps... (the first instalment of Monsters helpful posting in an effort to redeem himself in the eyes of WarLobo and Bikinimom) Monster ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 824 |
Yup. Monster's advice is good. The "wired" feeling you get from E/C wears off over time, but the thermogenic effect stays high for months. After all, it's mainly the thermogenic effect that you want. But the appetite supression sure is nice. Note that you get NO appetite supression with clen. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 30 |
Thanks, I thought I had to cycle off because it would stop working. Since you never cycle off, do you find you start to crash after several weeks? I have, then I sleep for an entire weekend(and stop taking it for that weekend). Then started back up. But I don't usually have to time to sleep like that. Is crashing like that normal? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 612 |
I find that the crach occurs more from cycling than straight use. The thermogenic and energy effects have never stopped or showed signs of slowing (after all these years), in fact, they may be even more intense! Crashing (from anything) is usually a result of fluctuation of some kind. To me, that can be remedied by not cycleing... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 223 |
Monster, You don't use any Asprin? Is that cause it upsets your stomach or you don't believe it does any good? I've been adding a little asprin to my EC. Would I get better results if I quit the asprin?  Pamela | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 612 |
Ok, now this is my opinion, but Ive never bought into the asprin thing. In the first case, this is a thermogenic product, used to RAISE body temperature (in the hopes of breaking fat cells up and mobilizing fatty acids to the blood stream to be used either for energy or to be expelled as keytones through urine). When you have a fever, you tkae asprin to LOWER yur core body temperature. To me that doesnt make sense. I think this is a supplememnt industry faux paus, which they do quite often.Theyll pump up a product, make a gazillion bottles of it, find out h formula isnt optimal, and have too much inversted in it to turn around and say "Oopps, heres a better formula!". Their competition would have a field day! A good example of this is the Creatine/Glutamine formulas out there.When glutamine first made its debut, the industry said "Take it with carbs, like creatine for the best absorption!" Then some industry pin-head firgured if they include it in WITH creatine, they could call it some kind of super formulation! So they started pumping it out to the market place! But lo and behold, you should take glutamine with carbs just like creatine because they utilize the same deliver methods... so by taking the two together they compete for delivery and lower the absorption of both! They need to be taken seperatly (and optimally at different times to best use glutamine). But the industry had already pumped up their CreaGlutamine products, so it was too late... Asprin doesnt bother my stomach, really. But along with what I said about it being self defeating, you cant discount the fact that log term use can lead to ulceration in the stomach. And as a side note to those of us supplementing with "anabolic agents" (*wink wink*), it should be noted that asprin thins the blood, and AS lowers platlets, so reduced clotting can become an issue. Thats why I never suggest any of the people I work with use asprin to control blood pressure on cycle. For women a mild diuretic will do, and for men an antiestrogen is more efficient. | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 1330 |
Good points Monster, and I must say your efforts have been noticed. One thing about the asprin, (and I need look into this more myself) I take it when I do an especially heavy leg work out and have noticed MANY times the increased level of recovery, less post workout pain, and in general, a better workout. MS, if you say it's a placebo effect I'll delete your post ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 451 |
I had been taking half am aspirin with my ECA stacks, but, then stopped cause I realized I was only doing that cause that's what I heard I should do, but, never knew a real reason why.......so, tell me, should I? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 824 |
I like a little aspirin before my more gruelling workouts too WarLobo  But I don't like it in my ECA, for the reason Monster said, as well as the lack of evidence that it makes any diff unless you're an OBESE female. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 319 |
Hey MS, what's the stuff about "obese female" and adding asprin to EC? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 824 |
There was a study done in 1991 that showed aspirin plus ephedrine increased thermogenesis in obese women more than just ephedrine alone. This synergsim was not seen in lean women. However I've just come across a 1996 study that showed no benefits to thermogenesis by adding aspirin even in obese women. The 1991 study looked only at ephedrine plus or minus aspirin (no caffeine) whereas the 1996 study looked at E+C versus E+C+A. The bottom line in both studies was that aspirin made minimal or no difference to increasing metabolism when combined with ephedrine. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 451 |
MS: I'm not sure if you said before, but, what ECA stack do you take? Any particular one? Have you ever tried or have heard of any experiences with Xenadrine??? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 824 |
I can't handle ephedrine (I'm a WHIMP). I use Nor-ephedrine drugs like adipokinetix/phenyl XL. But your free Xenadrine samples should work well for ya. The synephrine compound in it (can't remember what it's called...garcinia??) isn't a very good thermogenic, but it doesn't do much harm either! A secret admirer maybe? Did Monster send them to you? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 451 |
I use Adipokinetix MS.....I was simply wondering what you knew about Xenadrine..... While Monster is an admirer of mine, he has yet to give me anything......except good advice |
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posted September 05, 2000 07:05 PM