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 How long before I see results?
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Cool Novice 
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Okay I started with the Metformin tabs 850mg, twice a day. Its been about 5 days. So far, no dizziness or any other hypoglycemic symptom. Thank god. How soon before I see some results? Or do I see any results at all? Will there be a difference in weight or will I just get cut up? Either one is fine actually. Another thing, I tried T3 a couple of months ago, didn't experience all the sweating all of you mention all the time. I took 60mcg but nothing happened. What's wrong?    | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 1461 |
Hey there, take a glane at the THREAD "T3" should find some good stuff that might help. So how much cardio you doing? Lifting, diet, we need some inputs. ------------------ Lobo  | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 21 |
I'm doing an hour of cardio/weightlifting. Basically on a ketogenic diet. Taking Hydroxycut to help me out, but so far no significant results. Not really feeling my body temperature rising or sweating alot, not even during my workouts. What could be wrong? I'm taking the 850mg of Metformin (2 pills a day) and seem to be doing pretty good, with no side effects like stomach upset or nausea. Is Glucophage supposed to help with cutting? Not really looking to bulk up, just lose the love handles and the bulge on my hips and around my tummy. Anyone use Glucophage by itself and have really good results? T3 isn't helping and Clen isn't available. I did the E/C/A stack for a while, but the burn out afterwards didn't really help since I work full-time and go to college. Can anyone help me out? Is the Glucophage gonna help me at all, or am I just wasting my time taking it? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 210 |
Ok, first we'll tackle T3. Now personally, I felt T3 taken while "natural" was a disaster! When I got to the dose needed to see the effects of it kick in, I was losing as much muscle as fat! I will NEVER use it natural again. Now Metformin. Ok, I know this is kind of the rage currently as far as dieting goes, but Im no fan of it! Medically, most doctors will say it is almost impossible to induce hypoglycemia with glucophage. To me, the problem there is the risk of hypoxia, because you really have no indication that blood glucose levels are being altered (not like insulin which lets you know very evidently). Now, under the supervision of a person who knows how to use metformin, and knows how to monitor blood acid levels and keytone bodies, it may be useful, but otherwise the risk is too high to me. I have a major beef with low and no carb diets. They arent being realistic and fair to the body. The only time Ive used a carb depletion diet with anyone I work with was to take her below 10% bodyfat for competition sake. If you have enough bodyfat to have love handles or any visible fat, you ae probobly going to regret a ketogenic diet in the long run. Ketogenic diets will get you below the 12% barrier (or whatever your low bf threshold is). But till you get to that point, the key is insulin management! I have honest to god taken people from the high 20%'s and low 30%'s down to the teens without ketogenic diets. No one doesnt respond, its a matter of manipulating calories and nutrient ratios. Heres a wild idea that works out well for a lot of women. When youve hit that wall of fat loss, and the fat that remains is in the hips, butt area, you have to consider "gynoid fat deposits". Its a fat deposit in the areas most heavily affected by estrogens influence, which is the hips, butt, and lower abdomen (like the love handles area). ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1098 |
Thanks Monster. As usual your post is just at the right time to answer my questions. Even if I have to chase you all over the board to find you. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1461 |
Monster, have you ever used T3 while on? ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 301 |
Wow. All this talk about supps and cardio and lifting, yet there was only ONE mention of diet. Diet is everything. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1461 |
Diet was referenced in post #2, #3, and a large diet info on posted #4. How much more "diet" can we talk about? ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 99 |
EXCELLENT post, Monster. Very interesting. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 301 |
Well, the first two don't really count, there was nothinig specific said ... Monster's post is the one I was referring to. I guess I was just curious as to when Natasha would post her diet for everyone to critique? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 210 |
Warlobo: yep, I used T3 once while on. It worked out pretty well. I used it during bulking, in the hopes of keeping fat gains to a minimum. I actually lost fat while I gained muscle! I was eating big and VERY clean at the time, so that didnt hurt either... T3 is on my MIA list of stuff I just cant seem to get a hold of anymore, including pgf2 (rats!) I like the T3 when Im on, but when spliting up the dose throughout the day, I took the last 25mcg about 1 hour before bed. I could feel my metabolism speed up! I layed down for bed and it felt like my heart was beating in my ears, if it wasnt for pure exhaustion I would never have got to sleep... | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1461 |
Drop me a line M.... ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 21 |
Thanks for all your help guys!!! As for my diet.....I'm on the Atkins diet so I guess I'm pretty much clean. I can't eat too much protein though, cuz I've had gastric-stapling done, so I really can't eat that much anyways, but I'm still having problems taking it off. I've lost 80lbs already......and need to lose about 50lbs more. I seem to have hit a plateau, where nothing I do seems to matter anymore. I'm not into steroids that much, just pick up info mostly from you pros out there. I don't have any access to most of the stuff you guys mention......just the regular off the counter stuff like what you get at GNC. Hey Salbutamol is available over here, would that be the same thing as Clen?? I know it would give me the shakes and all, but will it burn the fat?? At this point, I'm so desperate I'm willing to try anything!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 210 |
Nah, its different from clen in all the ways that matter. If youve been on the Atkins diet for that long, coming back to carbs wouldnt be a good idea yet. Not without someone experianced to be there with you to walk you back on to them. There are a few "techniques" you can try at this juncture that can work out real well. Try counting your calories to get a total that you usually end up with. Then while still counting calories take two days and go well over the amount youve been taking in, then the next two days go well below the baseline you set. Keep rotating like that for a time, it will stir your metabolism out of its lethargy. Also, as a fat source, use flaxseed oil at 1 tbsp. in the morning and 1 tbsp. in the evening. It has properties that have been shown to liberated fat from fat stores and help oxidize it into fatty acids to be utilized in the blood stream.... good luck, but hell you dont need luck, youve done great so far! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 210 |
Oh, Natasha, BTW. I was thinking this post over at work, and wanted to add that the birth control trick wont work till your down to a real low level of fat... mabye the last 10 pounds... I dont think I made that clear when I mentioned it. I dont want anyone interuppting their sex life doing that when it wont really work that well for them at this point. I honestly think that rotating calories is the key for you to get back going. Youve lost so much already (hooray for you!) and that amount of weight loss will almost surely wreak havoc on your metabolism. If you have good health insurance, have a doctor test your thyroid levels. You may get some T3 or T4 by prescription! You may well have "stunted" T4/T3 conversion by the big loss, and you may have had abnormal levels to begin with, so what the heck, why not get a legal script? Just a thought... | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 21 |
Thanks for all the help Monster. Don't know what I'd do without you. :-) Still trying to lose the last 50 pounds off and still can't seem to find a supplement that helps the process move along. Glucophage is having the opposite effect.....I'm gaining weight instead of losing. Considering I'm taking it 1 hour before workout you would think I would be in ketosis and would start burning fat.....but no, that is not the case with me. Tried the Albuterol but they're saying its not the same thing as Clen. Is it? I can't get my hands on anything else since I'm in this god forsaken place, I guess I'll have to wait till I get back to the States to get the Lipo and Adipo stuff. If you know of anything as a substitute for Clen, pls let me know. Thanks. I'm already using the E/C/A stack.....but its almost finished and there's no back up. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 210 |
Albuterol isnt really yhe same. In all the ways that count it differs too much to be very effective. Your problem with glucophage may have to do with the insulin levels causing nutrient partitioning as well as depleting carbohydrates to force ketosis. My mind isnt fully here right now, so Im trying to remember the active life of a dose of metformin. I cant think of it right now, but it doesnt matter as far as my point goes so I wont worry about it right now. Well, glucophage can cause abdominal bloating or diarreha which may cause some incidental weight gain or a lack of loss. I dont see that as too likely, but I thought Id mention it. I was thinking about this and heres the potential problem I can see with using it on a ketogenic (Atkins type) diet. Being that glucophage (metformin) sort of causes a raise in insulin, that may be the culprit! Being as insulin is a partitioning agent and the atkins diet advocates high protien and fat, any fat youre eating during the active period of the metformin would cause fat to partitioned into fat stores. SO you may be playing "fat tag". The fat you burn is being replaced by fat being partitioned into fat stores by the insulins partitioning abilities. It would be hard to say. Have you ever used Keto-strips to monitor if you are actually into ketosis? You should get some if not and see. If you ARE getting into ketosis you can go from there and figure out your next step. If you arent getting into ketosis, youll know to adjust the dosage (I dont think you said how much you take... there are 500mg and 850mg tablets). You arent using a loop diuretic are you? It can interact with things like Lasix... I still say you should go get your thyroid checked. You dont even need to mention the glucophage or anything. Cytomel and Synthroid will not interact with it, so you dont need to be concerned about it if they prescribe them to you. Check some online nutrition sites for the E/C/A. Some of them will ship to areas where the stuff cant be sold. Theyll even reship if it gets seized! |
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posted August 29, 2000 01:41 PM