But hey! One day!!
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LIPO DOES NOT ELIMINATE CELLULITE!!! It removes pockets of fat not the unsightly bumps that all women seem to fear more than dismemberment. ALL GROWN WOMEN HAVE CELLULITE! Yes - even I have small bumps on the back tops of my hams just below my glutes - OH HORROR!!! The reason these bumps do not show in photographs is: lighting, and posing. Did you ever notice that you never see a model posing in a magazine shot from behind with her pelvis tucked under?....why? because even an eight year old's flawless behind has bumps in this position!!! OK?!

Is any of my hard work negated because AN ENTIRE FOOT OF LOOSE SKIN was removed from my abdomen and the abdominal wall was sutured up to return to the condition it was in BEFORE I had children? True, my abs were flabby before I had kids but that was due to improper diet and training (if you can call it that). Had I not had any children I could've gotten the abs I have today W/O surgery - so did I "cheat"? True, I have an advantage over the generation or two of women before me because I am lucky enough to have this information and technology available to me if I so choose. But you MEN tell me how many crunches I would have to have performed or how I could've altered my diet to achieve the same result W/O surgery AFTER FOUR CHILDREN?...and for the breast surgery....TRUE - I did go one cup size bigger than I was before children (my husband's request), but if you had seen the condition they were in after having carried and nursed FOUR CHILDREN...let's just say that the native women in the National Geographics made me look BAD!!! OK, so now I truly am CHEATING because I HAVE THE BALLS to try to get back the body I had BEFORE children ....and w/A LOT OF HARD WORK and DISCIPLINE actually IMPROVE UPON IT!!!...come on you can say it, "THAT UPPITY BITCH!"....but remember, that is MRS QUEEN BITCH and SMILE when you say it!

There's a lot of people that think the same way about steroid use you know. (I don't know whether you use them or not, just pointing it out.)

ALL HAIL MRS. QUEEN BITCH (Smiling)

God, that was pretty damn funny. BM, I wasn't sure about you before, but your all right. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with your position on this, but you don't take any shit do you

Woman A could have the same body fat % as woman B, but still not show as much cellulite. A lot of it is based on genetics, but women who suffer from it can reduce it significantly by reducing body fat AND building muscle (since cellulite thrives on people with too much fat and not enough muscle). The dimple is created in the fat by connective tissue and that's not something you can control totally.

And to answer the rebuttal which compared AS use to lipo/implants/etc, I strongly disagree. When using AS, you still have to have a solid diet, solid training, and solid sleep pattern to maximize gains. With lipo/etc, you pay your money and away you go. A big difference in my opinion.

I'm not trying to tell people what to do, but stuff like this sounds more like hollywood than it does about health and nutrition.

Like my above post implied - people always want the quick fix, but they fail to realize that true appreciation of success will never be obtained without the dedication required to make a difference.

I realize that you probably aren't old enough or experienced enough to understand the physical changes that occur to a woman's body from child-bearing and nursing. I would even be so bold as to venture to bet that you would be hard-pressed to find a single man who has watched the physical devastation that his partner's body goes through as a result of carrying and caring for their child who would feel that I had "cheated" or taken the technological way out. I did neither. I earned my six pack, rock hard ass, defined arms, muscular back, hard shapely legs the same way any other woman who has not had a child did - the good old fashioned way - through sweat and sacrifice.

I repeat - THERE IS NO WAY POSSIBLE I OR ANY OTHER WOMAN WHO HAS HAD MORE THAN TWO CHILDREN COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BREASTS AND FLAT STOMACH WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF COSMETIC SURGERY!!! - If there is a way and you can prove it to me - please do. But until you know for a fact that someone who's body was as devastated as mine was from having babies - NOT EATING BONBONS - did it WITHOUT the help of this technology I suggest you check your facts and quit passing judgement and speaking as an authority on a topic with which you have had no experience ...I am brainwashed?....How many children have you carried, given birth, and nursed?

As for becoming "addicted" to cosmetic surgery. I had two procedures performed 3 years ago. I have no need or desire to have anything else done at this time or at any time in the near future. Will I ever again?....I have learned to never say never. Does this make me an addict?

I mean really, Hardtail, did I read your post correctly? Geeesh, nothing like taking "heart" out of the equation of training. Training intensity and plain 'ol "heart" as we call it make up for tons in any competitive arena. Yes, even genetics, provided you put on the right amount of muscle in all the right places. Will heart make you win the Olympia, probably not, but trying regardless gives you something that not alot of people have--RESPECT.

ALSO - has anybody caught the FACT THAT LIPO DOES NOT ELIMINATE CELLULITE?!?!

So I figured I'd chime in at what appears to be the tail end and give my whopping .02

I work smarter, not harder. If something is easy, it works, WTF, why not? Technology is what makes body builders PERIOD. Not one person here can do, or be, like they want with out science and bucking mother nature. Simple hard work and dedication is not the whole pie. Yes, it is a big slice. But by and large it will only get you so far. More often I see it making one pissed off or depressed because the results are not what is expected.

Again and again and again I see the same argument being "a degree of acceptance" or "degrees of usage". Remember the natural vs. AS using argument on MS's thread a few days ago? People, you must get rid of this delusional mind set that limits the physical condition. We humans use tools. This is what makes use unique the animal kingdom. 100 years ago the automobile was considered a dangers tool of the devil - made by man! And that any self respecting person would and should ride a horse. This SAME argument is still hear today it seems, and I guess it always will be. Why are we still making moral judgement about this kind of thing? A person is neither bad or good for wishing to improve his or her physical state. How in good faith can anyone say this???

We all know or have used SO MANY aids in our everyday lives to make use feel better, enjoy the day to day experience. Braces, getting your hair �styled�, tattoos, body piercing, shaving, using the latest protein drinks, the list goes on and on. As a very young child I had to have BOTH of my legs broken an put into a caste for several months as they were severally miss aligned. Docs said I would never be able to run or play in any sports. Well thank GOD (and I do on a fairly consistent basis) my Dad found a progressive surgeon and a way to IMPROVE them. In this case make them normal. To this day I have NEVER had any problems with my knees, hips or ankles. Well, I did play football and got a sprain once or twice.

I say, �Thank you for technology�. Did I �cheat�? Would I have made my situation better just by hard work? Hell no. I want technology, I crave for technology. I wait for the day to have zero gravity sex.... WHOooo HOOOooooo!!!

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LAte

Lobo

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It only takes time D, it only takes time.

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LAte

Who gives a rat's ass what others think...you had it done, you are proud of the way you look (will look) so tell them to kiss your ***...

I am all for anyone improving themselves, hard work, diet and rest are the best way but who is to say she is right or wrong...

she did what she wanted !!!!!! End of Story

Later,

ralphe

I've also seen other operations and, hell, it's all fricking horrid.

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LAte

LOBO - you know you are THE BOMB BIGGITY, but I'll say it again, 'cause it is feels good to hear it - I know......I've learned a lot both because you are a wealth of information and, of course, by your example.

I have to say that Congratulations are definatley in order. I'm glad that you are feeling well during your post operative period. I used to work for a group of plastic surgeons. Although Lipo wasn't the plastic surgery I had. I'm all in favor of it. Genentically we can only do so much. Sometimes the only way to rid your body of unwanted fat is to have it surgically removed. You don't have to live with it. Of course you always want to do all you can to take the weight off prior to surgery. But sometimes it just isn't enough.

Make sure you follow all of the doctors orders. I know that girdle isn't fun to wear but you gotta do it. Stay on your healthy diet and excersice program. You should do great!

Best of Luck

Have fun with your new body! You deserve it!!