I'm now dieting for another show, and if I can't come in at least 5-7 lbs heavier than these photos, I won't bother getting on stage. I'm posting these photos here because I trust the members of this board to give honest advice and criticism without the ogling and flaming that goes on at other boards.

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You symetry is excellent.

10 to 12lbs would give you National level physique.

I'm impressed

IG

The pros around here I'm sure could give you more helpful comments than I...But you look amazing to me!!

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Good separation and balance in the back. Tie ins with the rear delt as well as the lower back are there � but I expect to see this. The overall lat could be a tad wider, your so strong with the rear delts and traps that a bit more width would not only give you them wings to fly with, but also help with the classic V-shape. I do like your bis, Sweeeet peak and good shape, tris are thick as wall, would like to see your forearms closer, but this is getting really picky... and I LOVE to pick Quads are nice with the heads showing well, may hap a bit more thickness, but in today�s judging atmosphere it is a crap shoot as to how much mass you can have. I know, it�s bitch. But I still like to see a full thick leg and I don't think they will take points if you went a bit bigger. I do see some ham, but the lighting is not that good. I also think you need work on your calf � not that I can really see all that much of it, but comparing it to your back, you need more. Fricking nice shoulders...but you need to watch the balance cause it over powers your chest. In other words... MORE CHEST BABY!!! Humm, ok. I�m better now. Abs, well you got �em so you did your diet and your timing was on.

What to work on.
1. Calfs
2. Chest
3. Leg thickness
4. Lats

Bests parts
1. Shoulders � big, full, can I have �em?
2. Arms � again, very nice all around
3. Good diet, you look hard
4. And in general - one hell of a package to work with. Your well on your way!

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The lats, hmmmmm bad posing I think, because when I do a lat spread I'm told I have a superb spread and taper. So I will work on bringing that out in my other poses. Quads and hams definitely need more size-working on it. Chest (aside from the obvious lack in the boobs) I also hope to have improved this year, but time will tell.

As for any secrets I might pass on, well I already have really. I have definitely deceived you guys in the hope of getting an unbiased critique. This is MS speaking. I wasn't originally going to reveal my identity, but my partner told me in no uncertain terms that it was cruel and unfair on you guys to 'pose' as someone else. He also said I should show my face. Everyone else who's posted photos has, and it's not as if I'm a criminal.

Please accept my apologies. And thanks again. 9 weeks until my next show, then I'll post up new photos (under MS!!).

Really though, I think it's just fine, you might have gotten less than what you were looking for. However, I still would have told you to get some calfs! The lat thing was hard to tell as pics can be so hard to judge.

I should clear up my "more chest" comment. I do mean in the muscle department, not the fake boob implants. Just a bit more upper chest and your upper body will be S-O-L-I-D.

And about showing your face, I wouldn't, cause you KNOW I'm going to talk you into a light anavar cycle !!!!! Bwahhhaaaaa....
Besides, keeping some privacy is a good thing, even if your a natty - cause you know I've sent you a few details about this, that, and the other....

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OK, I can't help myself - I gotta say this and I know you aren't going to like it. I am only saying it because you claim natural and this disturbs me. I've been around the natural circuit since the 80s and I have never seen a physique as hard and big as yours. Here in the US, you would be called the natural wonder and be on the cover of natural magazines. I have studied thousands of women's physiques and you DO NOT have the look of an AS user. The calves are a dead giveaway - most competitors who haven't used AS have this problem...very difficult area. There are other signs, too, and you don't have any of them. Most people have an eye that is trained to looking at drug BBs - I think that is true of WL's judging critique - the popping out calves are usually a sign of AS. He is used to seeing mostly drug enhanced physiques and so he expects to see this. I would bet that you pound those calves, judging from the rest of your body. I just think these things are something that most observers wouldn't understand. You probably won't get them unless you get on the juice. Anyway, the point I want to get at is that you do have a distinctly different look - a hardness that is not natural and it looks to me like you don't lose any of your size through dieting. I am not sure of all what you do and the things you take, because I never looked into the drug aspect until this year, but you talk about things I never heard of. Matter of fact, I never even knew what the hell Nolvadex was until I came to this board. Why? Because I'm natural. I know everybody on the boards describes Nolvadex as this mild thing that can give a slight edge, but to someone like you it would be a tremendous edge because of the level you are at - it would make all the difference in the level of hardness that can be achieved naturally. And it's mild compared to the AS people on here are using, so it's all relative. To someone like me who already knows how to diet off that twinkie fat, that would be a big deal giving me a big edge. I know it would change my whole contest look. While you do not use AS, you use other drugs and that is drug bodybuilding. If you were on a stage next to me, I would not consider you natural. I would want you to be polygraphed and urine tested. Why is it not OK to use diuretics if you are natural, yet this Nolvadex is OK? This is some kind of loophole. The term natural is thrown around very loosely. I know you know what you're doing with diet and training and I didn't need to see your pics to know it, but I know what it takes at this level of competition without drugs and what you've got going there is not natural BB. None of the naturals that I know would consider you natural. I'm sorry - you can blast me and say whatever you want, but I am tired of this crap. It's cut and dry - natural bodybuilding means you do not use drugs to achieve your look. You look to me like you are one step away from national level competition (the non-tested kind). I think you look great, but I don't like you saying you are natural and I am going to dispute it. You make all naturals look lame. I hope this does not make us enemies because I still think you are an excellent BB regardless of what you use.

I hate this whole fricking natural debate. If you ask me, if your going to say your "all natural" then that means no man-made compounds what-so-ever. No minerals caps, no vitamins pills, no protein shakes, no creatine, nothing but whole foods, no sweeteners, no herbal concentrated diuretics, NO ONE HERE ON PLANET EARTH IS NATURAL! The debate on being natural is really the DEGREE by which ONE's OWN SELF determines the level naturalness.

I would rather have one say, "Yes, I use anabolic steroids." Or, "No, I do not use anabolic steroids."

And specking of being natural, males natural test levels can vary so much as to make genetically "gifted" individuals blow everyone else out of the water. There is no point in even trying, because that guy has 50% more test in his blood than you do - YOU CAN'T WIN.

This sport is not like the IROC, where each driver gets the SAME car built and powered exactly as every other car. This makes the playing field level.

Hummm, maybe all BBers should only be allowed 300mg of test per week. This would shut down natural production and make everyone chemically the same!!! We could call "chemically level" BBing Competitions!!!

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Sadly, this whole arguement kinda clouds over what I really wanted to get across. I put off posting photos because 1) I didn't want to discourage any women just starting out by having them think "I can never be like that", (so please JayeLynn and everyone else, post your pics-most of us really are here to give you a guiding hand), and 2) the natty issue.
But I think it's important to realize that a woman (any woman) can make satisfying gains without taking ANYTHING but good food and hard work (and patience most of all). Not everyone can look like me or FitnessChick, etc (because of genetics), but you can all look pretty darn hot! This is not an anti AS campaign, or anti any drug, just a reality check to ask you guys to ask yourself what your goals are (short term and long term) and what you're going to do to fulfill them. Please don't just rely on the drugs!!!! YOU have to make it happen. The drugs are just another tool you may choose to use.

Maybe this year I will forgo taking the Nolvadex and see what difference it makes. I am a scinetist after all, and what better experiment than to try it once WITH nolv, and and once without? The more I think about it, the more it sounds fun. But I also agree with WarLobo in that none of us are 'natural'. There is no way I am going to give up my Imitrex for migraines, or my anti-oxidants, or any other long list of 'unnatural' additives just to make a point.

From now on I will not make any natural statements. I will merely state that I have never used AS (or prohormones).

Excellent physique. Impressive let detail for a natural women bb.

Side tricep is very impressive.

Because of this site and all of the wonderful members with their wealth of information I now possess a more clear idea of what to expect of myself (genetics) and the sport itself. I never had any delusions about competing on a national level or even a state level. I don't know if I possess the genetics or the desire/dedication ,HOWEVER, I do now possess a CRYSTAL CLEAR picture of what I can expect of myself to reach the particular goals that I have set for myself - for this I will be forever indebted to Elite and all of the wonderful members - ESPECIALLY those who have taken their precious time and shared their particular experiences with me. You have saved me many years of struggle and unrealistic expectations and also, worst of all, of selling myself short!

Because of what I have learned here - I also will never coin the phrase "natural body builder" as I believe that we are all in agreement that there really ain't no such animal....only that I have not and don't believe that I will anytime soon use A/S to help me grow muscle. As for the other "tools", each athlete must decide what is the correct decision for him/herself - no judgement.

Keep it up.

And that was a nice uplifting thing to say for all the others.

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There are a lot of different base colors and finishing colors out there, and getting the right combination for your skin is a matter of trial and error. For instance, some people can't or don't bother with a real tan, but instaed start putting on up to 4 or 5 layers of base color over several days. This works OK, but who wants to smell like that for the 3 days you can't have a shower!?

Other people start with self-tanners the week before the show. The advantage of these is that you can still take a shower, but it is difficult to get as dark as the paint-on color.

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