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 use of Novaldex for a week to look hard?
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JuicyGirl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted August 01, 2000 10:39 PM
  
It has been suggested that I use Novaldex for the next week as an anti-estrogen to help me look very hard. I have no experience with this and was hoping for some help on whether I should use this or not. If so, what would the dosages be? IP: Logged |
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JuicyGirl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted August 02, 2000 02:07 AM
help! IP: Logged |
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BLONDBLDR Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 26) |
posted August 02, 2000 07:50 AM
FIRST OF ALL, ARE YOU GETTING READY FOR A CONTEST? NOVALDEX IS A ANTI ESTROGEN THAT USUALLY FOR WOMEN WORKS ON LOWER BODYFAT.IT HELPS GET RID OF THOSE LAST STUBBORN LAYERS IN ORDER TO LOOK LEAN AND HARD. YOU COULD TRY IT AS A LAST RESORT OR TRY .LOWERING YOUR FAT AND INCREASING YOUR CARDIO. THE OLD STANDBY. NEED TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE INFO? BF%NOW WEIGHT, HOW LONG HAVE YOU DIETED? IS THAT A WORD? OH WELL, GET BACK TO ME . I UNDERSTAND THOUGH WHAT YOU SEEM TO BE GOING THROUGH. I HAVE BEEN TRAINING 10 YRS. AND HAVE THIS STUBBORN FAT ON MY HIPS AND LEGS. IVE TRIED EVERYTHING. PREDISPSED FAT IN YOUR GENES CAN BECOME A PROBLEM AS YOU AGE. IM HAVING LIPO ON AUG 21. BUT THAT NOW IS THE EXTREME. I HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS NOW. GOOD LUCK AND GET BACK WITH STATS. IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 1039) |
posted August 02, 2000 10:30 AM
BLONDBLDR, Love having you posting and great advice! But, if I may ask one small favor? PLEASE DON'T USE ALL CAPS UNLESS YOU ARE YELLING. That's it. Nothing to dramatic. On other note, can you go into some more details of your lipo. Will you be completely put under? Will you have each area done separately or will it be done all at the same time? Recovery time? Costs? Might sugesst you start a new thread giving the play by play of the whole process. I think many on here would love the first hand account. ------------------ Lobo [This message has been edited by WarLobo (edited August 02, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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JuicyGirl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted August 02, 2000 01:40 PM
Yes, I'm getting ready for a contest. I need to look my sharpest next week. I have been dieting for 12 weeks and went from 18.6%BF to 8.5%. I'm doing cardio 40 mins. on empty in the AM and 20 mins after weight training. I'm taking no days off weight training for the next week. Height 5'7", weight 127 Please just help me put the finishing touches on my physique. I'm not holding a lot of lower bodyfat - just a tad on my inner thigh. I am ready I just want an extra edge. IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 1039) |
posted August 02, 2000 02:13 PM
For your sitch nolva would be of benefit. 50mg per day should do it.... Anyone else got a comment on the doseage? ------------------ Lobo IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 654) |
posted August 02, 2000 02:50 PM
Nolva would have been a help if you had started earlier. It's a bit like AS in that the effects take 3-4 weeks minimum before they're noticeable. Save your Nolva for your next competition and start it 4-6 weeks out at 20mg per day. Good luck and don't forget those photos for your friends at Elite Fitness! IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 1039) |
posted August 02, 2000 05:45 PM
Why just 20mg MS? I thought if it was be effective, especially in women, you needed a bit more. ------------------ Lobo IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 654) |
posted August 02, 2000 05:52 PM
10-40mg is what they use clinically to completely block estrogen sensitive breast cancers, with most women responding at 20mg. I can't see why a bodybuilder would need any more. But I don't know that for an absolute fact. I know 20mg is plenty for me and the other women I know that have used it. IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 1039) |
posted August 02, 2000 06:12 PM
Were they "on" at the time? Damn, where was I reading that said 50 would more than compensate for gear use.... Anyway, that's what I (they) have done in the past, heck, if 20 works then I'm all for it. But like you said, you have to start out a few week and I would hate to find the the dose was to low - just do not see any negatives to the 50. That's why I was asking about the gear use. ------------------ Lobo IP: Logged |
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WonderWoman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted August 02, 2000 06:27 PM
Gotta go with MS on this one Lobo. I tried nolva at those dosages (20mg per day for 4 weeks)and the results were negligible. I may not have been lean enough to have the results I was looking for. After a 12 week diet would be a different story I'm sure. Also Jucy, MS is right about the length of time thing. Wait till your next show or better yet experiment when there's no trophy on the line. I'd hate for you to count on something that you've never tried before only to be dissappointed so close to a show. All in all I think that nolva is highly overrated unless you're in excellent condition and have tried it before with good results. Please feel free to mail me if you need further info. WW IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 654) |
posted August 02, 2000 06:55 PM
Oh WarLobo, not the old BB mentality again. If a little is good, 3 times as much is better! I'm not sure what "on" has to do with it unless you're talking about men on Test who use it to prevent gyno. Even then, men do not have more estrogen receptors than women! Remember, Nolva is a drug to block a subset of estrogen receptors. If it does this effectively it doesn't matter how much E you have floating around. And gyno prevention (for men)is completely different from leaning out in the legs (for women). Not all the estrogen receptors in a womens lower body will be blocked by Nolvadex, only some. That's why it's not a magic cure-all for women, just a slight advantage. The distribution and proportion of estrogen receptor subtypes may be as variable in women's legs as it is in their breast tissue, so not all women can be expected to respond the same. If you're a women who is thinking about using Nolva as a pre-competition aid, the best way to test the dosage is to use it for at least 1 full menstral cycle at 20mg per day. If your cycle goes on 'hold', you know it's working at that dosage. If you still get a normal cycle then you should increase the dosage. Obviously you need to do a trial like this when everything is 'normal' with your cycle. IP: Logged |
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BLONDBLDR Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 26) |
posted August 02, 2000 08:24 PM
warlobo, sorry about the caps. i get carried away with big letters.lol. i have to agree with ms.as 20 mg is enough for woman. ive also experienced this as well. but juicy, it really is kind of late now. and you sound like youve got pretty much under control. as you get alittle closer try taraxatone to deplete that last bit of water. youll be great. GOOD LUCK! is that ok lobo? as far as my lipo is concerened, they do all areas at once. you are definitly underand they just move you around to get to the target areas. the cost for me is 3500. legs sides, inner thighs, hips. most dr. wanted more money. i had this doc. recommendedby a friend.who owns a strip club and sees alot of his work! really sees!!!!!!!!! anyway ill be home for a week with a padded girdle on that stays on for the week. recovery is pretty quick for most. but, there is alot of swelling after. ill definitly post a thread that week, since ill be home all week too. IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 1039) |
posted August 02, 2000 09:32 PM
Grunt... ME BBer.... more = better.... hunt, kill, skin, eat meat.... OK Ok ok So ya start at 20mg and see how it goes. But 50 works TOO :p Well, as far as nolva works - or dosen't work. Gads, you think I was giving 'em a 50mg A-bomb or something! ------------------ Lobo IP: Logged |
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JuicyGirl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted August 03, 2000 01:35 AM
I just popped 20 mg and will do so every day for the next week. What the hell... I have em so we'll see! It's kind of like candy - they're in front of me so why not? I guess it can't really do any harm and if it doesn't work... oh well, I've got other things I'm doing that will(like the hard core dieting and cardio)! Thanks for the help! Always appreciated :-) IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 654) |
posted August 03, 2000 04:04 PM
Good one JuicyGirl. We all love it when someone asks for advice and then does what they were going to do anyway! Between you and WarLobo's comment about taking 50mg per day because it won't do any harm, I have now come to the conclusion that you all have far more money than sense! And yes that is a flame. I must be PMSing. And feeling poor. Sitting here wondering how I'm going to afford enough protein to finish this darned diet. IP: Logged |
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JuicyGirl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted August 04, 2000 03:31 AM
MS - If I had any sense then I wouldn't need to come to this board for help. I DID take your recommendation(about the 20mg part). I guess I was practicing a little selective hearing. I am just so excited I wanted to throw everything into the mix at once! I definately learned from your post and next time will get some MORE in time to see it really work. I hope I didn't irritate you too much. Try and be gentle with flaming me. I'm DIETING :-) GRRRRR!!!!!!! I'm off to the USA's in Las Vegas. [This message has been edited by JuicyGirl (edited August 04, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 654) |
posted August 04, 2000 04:29 PM
Sorry about the rant. I'm dieting too! GRRRR. Just promise you WILL give us some photos when it's all over. I'm excited for you. IP: Logged |
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Dlady27 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1251) |
posted August 04, 2000 04:40 PM
I saw a special on Liposuction and i wouldnt care how fucking fat I got NO WAY would I ever have that done to myself!!!! Yuck! IP: Logged |
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chemdaddy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34) |
posted August 04, 2000 05:32 PM
If you're doing the EAS transformation contest, don't tell Bill Phillips you're using Nolvadex. Just kidding, all the other winners "cheated", why can't you? IP: Logged |
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liltank Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 8) |
posted August 05, 2000 12:12 AM
juicygirl, good luck at the usa's emailme i wanted to ask you if you have seen someone who might be competing there.. as far as the nolvadex goes 20mg per day is plenty, spilt up the dosage 10mg in the am 10mg in the pm.. also dont forget the diruetics.... IP: Logged |
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