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IronChick Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted July 27, 2000 05:05 PM
  
Does anyone have any knowledge about using AS and other substances, particularly HGH, in the treatment of arthritis? I have researched a lot in the last couple of years about arthritis and all the docs can do for this is give NSAIDS or joint replacement, in severe cases. This is the mainstream medical answer. I know there are lots of things that must be going on that are unconventional or experimental. When HGH became the big thing with BBs, I heard that it helped arthritis. I don't know if AS can help and wondered if "help" means you don't feel the pain, but the damage is still going on. Does anyone know anything about this or direct me to a good source for researching this? It's important to me. Thanks. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 989) |
posted July 27, 2000 05:58 PM
OOOhhh good question! Now I'm no expert on the condition, BUT, I can tell you that many have found GH to greatly assist in the recovery of an injury. And deca dose wonders for joints - which is why I use it. So my off the top of my head, a .02 tip would be a small dose of deca with, a, like, oh, say 2iu's of GH....Combine this with a good mineral formula, some glucosamine (sp?), of course a good multi with a high does of C and vit E, and I think you would be set. Or at least keep things on par....
Lobo [This message has been edited by WarLobo (edited July 27, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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IronChick Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted July 28, 2000 03:49 PM
Everything I can find about HGH mentions that it actually helps to improve bone density, but it is never mentioned as a treatment for arthritis. I guess I have to assume it is not approved for treating that. It is used as an anti-aging therapy along with Testosterone. The problem here would be getting the doctor to prescribe it as an anti-aging therapy. Maybe that's how it's done to get around that. I'm afraid it would be too expensive to get HGH any other way. This dosage you are talking about - do you think this would work for a situation where there is bone damage and barely any cartilage left in the joint? It's not the regular, gradually progressing osteo - it's a rapidly moving, very destructive type. I know you aren't familiar with the disease, but I appreciate your ideas and if you or anyone else comes across someone who could answer specific questions about this, keep it in mind and let me know. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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IronChick Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted July 28, 2000 03:55 PM
Oh, yeah and MS - with all the research stuff on diseases that you post....never come across any stuff for osteoarthritis? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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FitnessChick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1072) |
posted July 28, 2000 04:48 PM
I wish I could tell that to my dad &convince him...He works construction, is 41 & has fallen off more buildings, & had more stupid accidents at work then I can think of....I have him on the broken down version of joint fuel.....He has awesome genetics, super definition & muscularity & shredded to the bone.....He trains but has a hard time in the summer cause the heat drains him...he is into it a lot in the winter.....with the natural stuff he has come a long way, he wasnt able to do any shoulder presses at all when we first started him & now he is pressing weight.....( the motion hurt his shoulder & his elbow is also pretty shot).... well, just rambling...... IP: Logged |
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IronChick Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted July 28, 2000 05:53 PM
FC - This hits very close to home. My BF is a union carpenter, so he works commercial jobs. Dangerous and physically demanding work. He is the one with the osteo. I can relate to what your Dad goes through....getting up every morning with those stiff joints and then having to go work physically. I know I would not be able to appreciate this if I didn't live with it and see it every day. The only reason he is still walking is because of his musculature. The osteo is limited to his hip and it naturally affects his knees and ankles. He is in excruciating pain and has severe damage to his hip joint. He does not want to get the hip replacement surgery and the surgeon was uncomfortable with doing it on him becuase of his age. They don't like to do the first one until you are at least 50 since these things don't last forever. He's the type of guy that will walk until the joints break apart inside his body and fail to move his legs. It's pretty scary to have to sit by and watch. He is on very high doses of Ibuprofen - 5000 mgs daily from what I can figure out. You can take out a kidney like that, but he says he can't function without it. He takes all the natural stuff, too. Our supplementation is comprehensive. He says the Glucosamine and the MSM helps him, too. He also says working out helps the pain. The HGH doesn't seem like a dangerous thing to me. Just replacing what is already declining in your body. I am thinking it would help with the sense of well-being, too, which is pretty much shot when your body fails you. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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tnheygirl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 142) |
posted July 28, 2000 06:01 PM
I have Lupus as most know and I don't know if it's just luck or a good few weeks but I haven't had to take any pain meds for my muscles or joints since on the primo. Search ME? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Artemis Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 69) |
posted July 28, 2000 06:04 PM
This isn't quite what you're after, but it's a start... Recapping the Week in Biotech 'Tissue welding' for knees sparks deal Beyond metal shop: Genzyme Tissue Repair and PhotoBioMed (formerly MicroBioMed Corp.) announced a licensing deal this week that reminds us that however grim the financial climate, there is no shortage of creativity in biotechnology. A number of biotechnology companies have been addressing the very difficult problem of tissue regeneration and repair for such pervasive problems as knee injuries. Combining several interesting technologies, Genzyme Tissue Repair and PhotoBioMed will work together in developing so-called "tissue welding" for the orthopedic market. PhotoBioMed of Dallas has light-activated compounds that interact with collagen fibers in the tissue, cross-linking the proteins and welding torn tissue together. Cambridge, Mass. based GTR, meanwhile, has been developing a process for culturing cells harvested from the patient and then re-implanting them to spark healing. A key target for this approach will be meniscal repair. Each year, more than half a million people suffer damage to the two crescent-shaped pads of cartilage, constructed mainly of collagen, that lie between the femur, or long thighbone, and the tibia, or large shinbone, in the knee joint. The primary function of the meniscus is to provide a cushion to absorb the impact of the upper and lower leg bones. Injuries to this crucial tissue have long vexed patients and doctors because cartilage does not readily heal itself, especially in areas where no blood vessels are present. The partners are hoping to improve the prognosis for patients suffering from meniscal injury. Currently, surgeries can only trim or tack the cartilage, procedures that may lessen pain but often do not return the full function and stability to the knee joint. Either tissue welding alone, or to help augment arthroscopic procedures delivering GTR's cultured cells to the site of injury, could offer less invasive and more complete healing. The idea of 'welding' sounds a bit scary, but no heat is generated in the light-activated reaction. Genzyme Tissue Repair IP: Logged |
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IronChick Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted July 29, 2000 12:32 PM
I have heard about this tissue regeneration. I guess they're just getting started with that and they try it out on the easier stuff like the meniscus. Wonder how long it will be before they are trying it on the hip joint. Thanks for the URL. This is the type of research I need to follow. Tgirl, I did read somewhere that you had Lupus. This one's close to me, too. My 5 year old nephew has it. Not only affects the joints, but the organs as well. It is hopeful that you were able to get off the meds. I do think the AS are the reason. When I told my BF that Deca can be used for joint pain, he actually looked happy for a second. Hearing this stuff confirms what I was thinking. IP: Logged |
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