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WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 950)	posted July 25, 2000 03:06 PM Had an e-mail today and it really got me to thinking - yes, it does happen now and then :p Physically speaking, can human muscle be trained or conditioned to become more dense? Not necessarily stronger, or more efficient, just more dense. Is this possible? Or is it a static tissue of a specific density? Is this making any sense? Now I know you can hydrate the muscle and make it appear fuller and harder, but this is not what I mean. I'm talking about the actual muscle tissue itself. Can you manipulate the muscle by external means to achieve a more physically dense substance? So, your thoughts and opinions ladies and germs.... ------------------ Late Lobo IP: Logged
riptchick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 226)	posted July 25, 2000 03:29 PM I hear my man speak of muscle maturity. Have you ever seen a teenager in the gym with some size? Typically the muscles appear full but usually (unless the kid is freaky ripped) they are somewhat smooth. Take an old man that has been training forever with the same bodyfat composition. The muscles usually have more separation. I'm just wondering if we could say this is muscle density..... IP: Logged
tnheygirl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 106)	posted July 25, 2000 03:37 PM I've got a question regarding bodyfat testing. I have on numerous occasions had my bf tested with just your usual caliper and not one person including a doct who was doing my physical for the police dept could get an accurate reading on the thighs. He said along with the others that my fat on the thighs doesn't seperate well from the muscle. Have you heard of this? We're talking on the quads ------------------ "To Thine Ownself Be True" IP: Logged
skydancer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 463)	posted July 25, 2000 03:39 PM Okay - I thought muscle density, strength etc were all related? If you are building strength aren't you building density too? ------------------ Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. IP: Logged
Iron God Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 281)	posted July 25, 2000 07:53 PM do you mean sectional density or volume of muscle in a certain space IP: Logged
Plato Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52)	posted July 25, 2000 09:07 PM Are you testing our intelligence, or do you have an answer WarLobo? (Or is it both?) Guesse I'll have to go do some research. Oh well, I needed something to do anyways. IP: Logged
WonderWoman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 116)	posted July 25, 2000 11:25 PM I think I'm of the school of thought that density is a gradual process wherein muscle fibers become 'thicker', harder, etc. Could we compare muscle to cake? Angelfood cake being 'immature' lesser trained muscle. Mature muscle on the other hand could be described as Grandma's homemade from scratch using real butter pound cake. Both are still cake but one is like air, while the other is heavy and dare I say satisfying?? My humble .02. I think the only way to develop 'density' is through time and consistancy. Doesn't it seem that some of the older folk on the bb circuit look harder, thicker, as if the muscle has a function other than asthetics? Not a flame just an observation. I don't think there is any chemical or other short cut. WW IP: Logged
WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 950)	posted July 26, 2000 01:00 AM Humm... I knew this was going to be a problem posting this question. I.G., I mean more muscle cells per unit of volume. Plato, not testing and I don't have the answer. This is what got me to thinking about it in the first place. Yes, I know we can make our muscles bigger, but can we truly make them more dence? Would this not mean an actual change in the muscle fiber type? Come on all you Bio-chem types, help me out here before I sink to far! ------------------ Late Lobo IP: Logged
Plato Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52)	posted July 26, 2000 01:51 AM OK, this is what I found. Basically it's about the size of the cell(fiber) vs the number of cells(fibers) in a muscle. I just plagerized the first sentence. http://www.afpafitness.com/FiberType.htm I found it a very interesting article, although they go into tests used on animals for parts of their data, which is a little disturbing. Hope this helps. IP: Logged
FitnessChick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1048)	posted July 26, 2000 09:51 AM Interesting plato.... IP: Logged
WarLobo Moderator (Total posts: 950)	posted July 26, 2000 11:43 AM Ah, yes, the old bird with a weight. Ok, I'm better now - thanks Plato. I did go back last night and found some info that some how fell out of my brain. I guess this is why it bugged me so much. I was like, damn, this is something I should know at least a little about.... Me thinks Mrs. Lobo is at the root cause of this unstable mental condition of late. This was one of the big clams of IGF-1 that it was able to make NEW muscle as well as that myostatin (sp) stuff. You know that I was actually going to be a part of that study - I'm glad my work conflicted. Not sure if it is all it's cracked up to be. But we'll see.... ------------------ Late Lobo IP: Logged
Plato Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52)	posted July 26, 2000 02:13 PM I always wondered who they get for these studies...... IP: Logged
Gilbyag Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 364)	posted July 26, 2000 02:37 PM all I can say is my left bicep is a bit larger than my right but is weaker, Im able to curl more with my right??? IP: Logged
MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 618)	posted July 26, 2000 03:05 PM Without a doubt muscle density increases as we age, but this is mostly due to drying out This must be the reason older competitors look so much harder than youngins. But this does not equate to an increase in actual call numbers. I don't know the answer WarLobo. But I can definitely tell the difference between a bloated Pro bodybuilder, even shredded and dry for a competition, and an older natural competitor. The difference in density is amazing. But of course the natural is a lot smaller. As for thigh fat measurement, it's a tricky fold to get on some people. If your skin is stretched very tight and there's lots of underlying muscle you might as well give up! Yet another reason to use other tools like the mirror for gauging your progress. IP: Logged

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