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Hey, I'm currently on a primo and test cycle. I'm using 50 primo and 100 test.
I'm on my second week of an 8wk cycle,
but I need some input on how much to
increase each week, or should I just
use this throughout the whole cycle? I
hope this makes sense, please help if
you get a chance. By the way, I have already noticed a big difference in muscle hardness and I have gained some size. No sides yet.

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WarLobo
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(Total posts: 894) posted July 14, 2000 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
Shit girl, what type of test? The esters DO make a difference with women. And as far as increasing, I would hold off untill we look at your overall plan. Is this your first cycle? If it is, nothing like jumping in with BOTH feet.... WEeeeeeeee!!!!

LAte

Lobo

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senior_gato
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(Total posts: 7) posted July 14, 2000 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for senior_gato     Edit/Delete Message
You're taking 100 mg/week of Test Cyp??!

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MS
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(Total posts: 575) posted July 15, 2000 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
Yikes...is that 100mg Test Cyp all in one shot, or divided up throughout the week? Are you a female?

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Leotard
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(Total posts: 18) posted July 15, 2000 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leotard   Click Here to Email Leotard     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I'm taking 100mg of test cyp and 50mg primo in one shot, once every seven. I'm a woman too. Is this my first cycle...yes. Please don't tell me I'm going to turn into a guy or something...hehe. I'm doing an 8week cycle. I was planning on doing this dosage throughout the whole thing, but if I don't get sides from the primo I wanted to up the dosage to 100mg primo a week for at least week 4 and 5. Please give me your opinions and if you don't think I should be using the test cyp then please tell me cause I will stop.

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WarLobo
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(Total posts: 894) posted July 16, 2000 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
Well, if your not seeing any sides then your good to go. That test ester is good for 7 days so your not going to have to much problem with it "building up". Watch the primo though, it can slowly sneek up and become to much.

My advice would have been to try each one seperatly first, but since you already into it, just be aware of any sides.

AND KEEP US POSTED

LAte

Lobo

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senior_gato
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(Total posts: 7) posted July 16, 2000 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for senior_gato     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, WarLobo, I would like to disagree. 50 mg/week is almost nothing compared to 100 mg/week of test cyp. I think for using test cyp for the first time, this is WAY too high. But I do agree with your advice that she should do each one seperately to determine how each affects her.

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MS
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(Total posts: 575) posted July 16, 2000 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
This makes no sense to me. If you 'get sides' from the Primo, how will you know it's from the Primo? Any sides you experience may very likely come from the test, but since you've never done either Test or Primo before, you just won't know. Pleeeeease for you first cycle pick just ONE AS and see how you respond, then next cycle you can try the other.

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WarLobo
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(Total posts: 894) posted July 17, 2000 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I would not have advised 100mg to start out with, but she is now three weeks into her cycle. Might as well see how it goes. She could always back off a notch. A few ladies I'm helping with get about 100mg per week of test and we've seen nothing on the way of negative sides - one posistive side though

Just I've said, keep a close eye out and back off if you see and thing.

Late

Lobo

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Musclicious
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 30) posted July 17, 2000 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Musclicious     Edit/Delete Message
Another thing about sides....it seems that no one really gets too many sides with one cycle...but if you are going to do more cycles - not just one....that is when the sides start to show up. It seems to be cumulative so just cause you dont have any now doesnt mean you wont ever have any if you keep doing it.....

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sammythebull
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(Total posts: 71) posted July 17, 2000 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sammythebull   Click Here to Email sammythebull     Edit/Delete Message
And remember to take clomid and keep nolvadex on hand in case of gyno. LOL

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MS
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(Total posts: 575) posted July 17, 2000 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
Very funny sammy. Never heard of anyone getting gyno from 100mg test per week!

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sammythebull
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(Total posts: 71) posted July 18, 2000 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sammythebull   Click Here to Email sammythebull     Edit/Delete Message
I would think that a woman would want gyno.

On a serious note you ladies have an awesome board here I've been reading it trying to gain knowledge for my wife. You are all very supportive of each other and put up top notch posts loaded with info. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge.

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Leotard
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 18) posted July 18, 2000 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leotard   Click Here to Email Leotard     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks you all for all the help. I am definetely keeping an eye on things to
see how my body reacts. Right now I'm
in my third week and I have already gained
7lbs. My bf was at 14 and it's at 13 now. I
thought that I would be holding more water
than I am..hmmm. I'm seriously not noticing
any sides, but the gains have been more than I thought they would be. Warlobo, MS, or anyone else, I have a question about laying off the test after my 4th week and then doing 100mg primo. Is this going way over my head? I just figured that since I haven't seen any sides that it might be alright, but you (Warlobo) said that the primo can sneek up on you. What do you mean by that? I guess I'm going to play it safe and keep doing what I'm doing instead up increasing my primo. Thanks again for all the help and I will most definetely keep you posted on my progress.

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Leotard
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(Total posts: 18) posted July 18, 2000 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leotard   Click Here to Email Leotard     Edit/Delete Message
bump

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MS
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(Total posts: 575) posted July 18, 2000 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
I think WarLobo might have been referring to the Primo staying in your system longer then the Cyp. With the Cyp you can stop taking shots as soon as you notice any sides and your blood levels will quickly decline, but the Primo takes longer to get out of your system. This does not make Primo a poor choice. On the contrary it is still considered the 'safest' of the depots in terms of low side effects for men AND women. If you're tolerating 100mg test plus 50mg Primo without sides, then you will likely be fine on just 100mg Primo. 4 weeks may not be long enough to judge side effects though. I would go the whole 8 weeks (barring sides) before deciding if you're free of side effects. Then on your next cycle you can try increasing the Primo.

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WarLobo
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(Total posts: 894) posted July 19, 2000 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
Yup, what MS said. At this point, if your side free (for now) and are seeing some good gains, WHY MESS WITH FIRE? This is where many women make their biggest mistake. MORE IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER. The only thing I would suggest is to extend the cycle to 10 or 12 weeks and give yourself time to make more permenant muscle gains. One of the benefits of a women's cycle is that you can go for fricking ever if you want. Can't go that high, but can stay 'on' for a very long time.

LAte

Lobo

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