posted May 19, 2000 03:34 AM         

She is 21 years old, 5'10", 135lbs, pretty low bf% (I think). She has the faint outline of top abs and a little intercostal action going on. No big ass, nice body... whoa, calm down browndog, she's sleeping right now... anyways, she wants at least a 4-pack, and some delt/tri definition improvement.

Thanks for the help!!!

posted May 19, 2000 10:59 AM            

If you do decide to go with winny start slow and KEEP an eye out for sides. Start with 2 tabs - keep the primo at 50mg if your going to and the winny. Do this for at least two weeks and you should be ok

Get much protein, rest, water (distilled), etc, etc, etc.

Late

posted May 19, 2000 12:43 PM         

How long has she been on 50mg/week of Primo?
What have the gains been?

How much longer will she be on Primo?

posted May 19, 2000 02:15 PM         

So WarLobo, you don't think I should have her go up to 100mg of the primo if she does the win tabs?? They are 2mg tabs, are you saying start her at only 4mg/day?? Thanks a lot ya'll.

posted May 19, 2000 04:14 PM            

Women are so much better suited to doing muliple cycles durning the year. Do one eight week, stop for four and kick it back in. I am slowly starting to believe they never really have to come off. I mean why? They don't really produce test, don't have nuts to shrink up, and use such small amouts that I don't think there is any problem with receptors. Hey, just thinking out loud on this....

What I would do is to keep with the primo, then you know how it works in her. Notch it up to 100 and keep an eye out for any effects - good and bad.

Then next cycle use the winny by itself. See how it does.

LAte

posted May 22, 2000 09:25 PM            

Generally women will experience swelling/increased clitoral sensitivity as one of the first sides. This is usually followed soon after by a coarsening of the voice, which often starts out more as an unstable voice (sorta like a boy in early puberty). The clitoral swelling and sensitivity often disappears after she goes off, but voice changes can be permanent. If mild she may just sound nice and 'husky'. She should continue taking whatever (Primo and/or winstrol) as long as she avoids sides and hasn't reached her goal. You haven't told us why she's taking the A/S (bulking/cutting/strength/increased libido!).

As WarLobo said, there's no good reason to taper up and down with women. Just find the minimum amount that gives results and stick with it for the cycle.

posted May 23, 2000 10:51 AM            

So you have no plan....

You don't think 9 lbs. in three week is all that good....

And no goal....

This is not good. And exactly why bad things happen. First off not having a plan on what to take, how to take it and then sticking to it is just plain asking for trouble. My first indication was you were wanting to UP THE DOSE for what appeared to be no real reason.

Second, girl, a damn near 7% increase in body mass in three weeks is fricking HUGE. That's three pounds per week right off the bat. If you even continue at this pace by HALF and go eight weeks your looking at an additional 7.5 fricking pounds for a total of 16! What are you expecting??? I go nuts if I can get a solid 20 and I'm 230.

Last. No goal. Very bad. So this means your not training for a specific look/result/event.

I only know of two women on this board who are not "causal" users. By that I mean they compete and have the potential to actually make some money at it. (Cept they never post much :p ) The rest of us (myself included) should never over step the line for potential permanents side just to get a few extra pounds of muscle.

OK, I'm done.

Late

Lobo

posted May 24, 2000 12:20 AM         

the idea of the win came from a friend...the one i wrote about. i considered the idea because of the results i had seen and once i am out of the primo i wanted use the winny to loose a little of the water i feel i have gained. i wasn't sure if i cshould work the winny in towards the end of the primo though so i wanted to ask. the idea of a higher dosage came from by boyfriend. i think i am doing good so far so why change things.
i am sorry if i worded things wrong and some this for the wrong reason or that i doing things wrong. my cycle is in it's forth week and doing well. as far as the nine pounds they will come off, it is not a worry of mine. all i wanted was a little advice from others who are knowledged about the subject. if anyone can help PLEASE do. all i need is support.
thanks,

posted May 25, 2000 10:16 AM            

But onward!

As in previous posts, if your seeing some good gains, you don't need to add or stack. Very simple and easy Continue to take the 50mg and go for like 8 weeks.

Late

Lobo

posted May 26, 2000 05:53 PM         

today i worked bi's and i am so pumped. the first day i did bi's i could curl 5lb maybe 10's if i tried really hard and some spot help. today i curled 15's and a some 20's all alone in the gym while keeping good form.

tri's began with 5lb on some exercises, but not much more. earlier in the week worked up to 10's.

back, which by the way i love working out, gone from 30lb, than up to 40lb, now working on the 60lb's.

sholders i am just now starting to work on because i didn't think they were all that that important. stupid me right?

chest began with 10lb dumb bells on flat bench now up to 20's and 25's this week.

cardio is also improving really well. i am the type of person who absolutely hates running, but lately, need it be the primo or a mental thing, i love it. i cannot seem to get enough. normally i would run 2 mins and say forget it...today 15 min and still going strong. kinda wanted to do more, but the gym was 76 degrees and i thought i might melt and never be found.

the lines of muscles are starting to be more visable and i can actually feel muscles where i never thought they existed. no more weight gain since the beginning of the week either. i have not noticed any sides...a few small bumps on my chest, but that might be the fact that it is in the hight 90's here and 100% humidity.

just thought i would let you know how the progress is going. hopefully the next four weeks will bring even bigger gains.

maybe it is time to get my own username...you think???