posted April 25, 2000 02:10 AM            

How do these two medicinals compare with one another? Are they very similar in effect?

The anavar is so much more expensive, and seems way harder to find. Is anavar chosen simply to avoid injections?

Both have a ring-A reduced structure, (like DHT) so is it reasonable to assume that Both are similarily hard on scalp hair?

Could (say) 100 mg of bi-weekly injected Primobolan be considered about equivalent to 12.5 mg/day of swallowed anavar?

Can anavar be used sublingually? To spare the liver some 'first-pass' metabolism? And save on expense? Could one then get away with 7.5 mg/day?

posted April 25, 2000 10:33 AM            

Primo tends to retain a bit more water, but will also increase mass.... I think the primo's gains are a touch more permanent. Anavar is also good for long term gains. Although some may argue the opposite, my reasoning is I think this may be due to the great strength gains of anavar while on and then you notice the strength loss when you stop. You feel it more with anavar. But measurements of before and after cycles seem to indicate gains in size are comparable. (This gets tricky here - diet and dose makes a big difference. Not to mention cycle goals - cutting or bulking)

Anavar does have the benefit being oral. Sublingually? Now that's not been documented in anything I've come across. My thoughts.... Don't think it will make much, if any, difference.

Availability - it's not as hard to find as you might think. Expensive? Somewhat. But when you compare the cycle to cycle costs of men vs. women, women have it MADE hands down! My cycles cost some 5 to 6 times more than my wife's. And pound for pound, she gets nearly the same percentage gains.... (Lobo looks at his empty wallet and sniffs�)

Both can have an effect on the scalp. This does seem to be more an individual situation. Never-the-less, I ALWAYS recommend Nizoral shampoo. Do not risk the hair when such a cheep and effective remedy is available!

One of the best stacks is the anavar/primo combo. Two of my lady friends are on it right now for the second time this year. Only one injection per week. 10mg of anavar per day. Very little if any sides. Great strength and good size gains.

Late

posted April 25, 2000 02:12 PM            

My first choice would be to use anavar. And as stated in other threads, I would combining this with clen/eca and or T3 to increase metabolism. (And in the case of T3 increase protein synthesis.) Please get your BF measurements - they are a NECESSITY!!!!

I would choose primo, sust, or even a bit of prop as some of the next best tools to retain muscle while cutting the fat. Been very impressed with the sust of late. You can't beat the price and convenience of sust. It is the cheapest by far. Heavens, for like 30 bucks you got a twelve week cycle. Toss in some clen eca and or T3 and your total cutting cycle MAY get up to $150!!! This is where I break down and cry - you women got it soooo made :p

My "trimming" cycle starts next week and I'm into it for $500. I say trimming as I'm looking to gain some solid muscle and up the cardio a bit to lower my BF. It's not an all out cutting cycle (which I refuse to do based on strict moral grounds) And it's not going to be pig eating, belly bloating mass cycle either. (cause my wife will kick me out of bed) I want to try and stay in the low teen's and put on a good 15 lbs. - maybe I'll hit 250, but most likely not. And at 5'9" that will look solid and not out of control on the BF.

Late

Lobo

posted April 25, 2000 08:50 PM            

Did I get the dose equivalency about right?

I forgot to ask about the probable differences in action upon the HPTA between these two. Any observations?

Keeping in mind that Primobolan should have an advantage here, based on that methylation on carbon 1. With any luck the HPTA may not even 'see' the 100 mg of Primobolan?