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jane Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2)	posted April 13, 2000 07:59 PM I have been reading your board for a few days now and decided to join--maybe you guys can help me. My husband and I have recently changed our eating habits and workouts to get in better shape. So far, I have lost 14 pounds and he has lost 20 by eating low carb and hitting the gym 4-5 times/week. I still have about 30 pounds of body fat to lose to get to my goal and my husband is almost there but he just wants to get more cut. Someone mentioned winstrol to us for cutting up and losing body fat and we are considering it. Is this the right one for us to take to LOSE--I don't want to gain weight (unless it is muscle). I also want to know the length for a cycle of the tabs and daily dosage for both men and women. If anyone can help, I would really appreiciate it--THANKS! Oh yeah, and does it matter what time you take it? IP: Logged
bigdog Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36)	posted April 13, 2000 09:53 PM I will warn you right now that every person on this board is going to tell you to lift naturally for at LEAST a year before you do any juice. However, I know how impatient I am, so I won't try to dissuade you. Winstol is only effective if you are already lean. Sure it does burn some fat, but definetly NOT 30lbs worth! I would cycle ECA and Clen together with pyruvate and possibly yohmbie. This combo WILL burn 30 pounds if you do your cardio religously, eat healthy and train hard. Best time to do cardio is in the morning, but if you cant at least take your pills two hours before you eat anything. This is when your blood sugar is the lowest it is during the day, you will burn the most fat then. Make sure you still eat plenty of calories. If you eat too few your body will try to perserve them as, you guessed it, fat. It is a fine line you have to walk to loose fat. Cycle the clen and eca each for two weeks for a total of 6-8 weeks. If you don't know the dosages, I'm sure you can find them posted somewhere, or e-mail me and I'll try to help further. In 6-8 weeks you should be at your goal. I suppose you could also try cytosan or xanical, but who wants "uncontolable oily bowel movements". Also it would be alot harder to get the calories you need when on a low carb diet already. Most people abuse this stuff anyway. It's only supposed to be taken once a day before you largest meal, usally dinner. Some people take it with each meal, and the fat souluable vitamins cant be taken up and metabolized by the body. ANYWAY, hope this helps some! ------------------ OH HELL YA!!!! BIGDOG IP: Logged
jane Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2)	posted April 14, 2000 04:17 PM Thanks--it does help. I am not really familiar with clen or eca but I will do my research. Still, I have read reports by several women who lost a significant amount of body fat on winstrol and I also hear that it is safer for women. Couldn't it benefit me too if I train hard and eat healthy (I am not obese; I have been working out since high school but got lazy and only went one or two times a week for the past year and a half)? I have already noticed such a change in my body since I started a new weight training and cardio program five weeks ago--can't this give me the extra help I need?? Thanks again for your help! IP: Logged
Musclicious Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15)	posted April 14, 2000 11:42 PM Jane - as far as losing bodyfat goes you should stick to your diet and cardio program that you started five weeks ago - give it some more time. Winstrol will not help you lose much bodyfat. It will put muscle on you and may also give you some side effects that you probably dont really want.Unless you want to compete I would stay away from the winstrol...Good luck - hand in there. IP: Logged
WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 354)	posted April 16, 2000 01:41 AM Oh My!!! Look - it's Musclicious! About time you stared posting again :p Late Lobo IP: Logged
Musclicious Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15)	posted April 16, 2000 06:40 PM Hi there Lobo - yes I made one little post - Ive been busy training.....its going well but doesnt leave time for anything at all...While youre here, let me ask you...how do you determine dosage for cytomel? Also is 4-5 weeks on at at time ok?? I figure I am about 9% with 8 weeks to go till my first show - I was thinking of starting the cytomel about 5 weeks out and just keep an eye on how things go. As always thanks for your help.... IP: Logged
WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 354)	posted April 17, 2000 10:29 AM I can't remember, is this the first time you have used T3? Just some overall points.... Make sure you do not strip the muscle along with the fat - be on something. Your time frame is about right - this can be very individual as is the dosage. Will you be alternating clen and E/C/A along with the T3? We've also talked about diuretics in the past and the potential for testing... Any word on that sitch? You happen to be going to the USA's in Vegas this year? (Got my free ticket yesterday from Ted Late Lobo IP: Logged
Musclicious Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15)	posted April 17, 2000 11:30 PM Lobo - thanks for the reply - yes this is the first time I have used it - I am alternating clen/eca now. I am/will be on when I am using the t3. A friend advised me to start with 1/2 tab a day and see how that goes and increase if need be. So we will see... I guess I will see how I look at this show - it is eight weeks out from the USA - and if I feel that I can be competitive at the USA then I will go. I know the competition will be tough but I know I have good symmetry and muscularity if I can just keep it and get it cut up enuf! Thanks for the help as always.... IP: Logged
Texas Guns Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 263)	posted April 18, 2000 05:38 PM STAY AWAY FROM THE WINSTROL!! For men it is wonderful, but for women, there are too many undesireable side effects. One woman I know actually gained 15 pounds on the stuff. I would go with a T3 and Clenbuterol stack or use an ephidrine, caffeine, aspirine stack (ECA) such as Ripped Fuel, Hydroxycut, or Xenadrine. All these can be bought at a local supplement store. This will assist in raising your metabolism and giving you energy to exert yourself more during cardio and weight training. You are losing fat already at a fast rate, so keep doing what you are doing. Musclicious-be careful with the T3 so close to competition. Be sure to cycle up your dosage and cycle down. T3 is not a respecter of muscle which it will burn along with the fat. A friend who competed lost alot of his gains when he took T3 close to competition time. A few months back may have been a better time to take it. I would stay with your cardio routine, may change it up a bit to trick your body into burning more fat and as you know, lower carbs and watch the time of day that you eat it. Do whatever you can to reduce the water you are holding in. But by all means, drink as much water as possible. It may be water you need to lose and not fat. Your percentages look pretty good and at what rate are your percentages coming down? Congrats on your dedication and guts!!!! Texas Guns IP: Logged
Musclicious Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15)	posted April 19, 2000 12:08 AM Texas Guns - thanks for the post - I am not too concerned about holding water yet.. I am 8 weeks out from the first show I want to do which is a state/regional show. I am about 9 percent and I want to be close for this show so I will be happy around 5% or so. I am hoping to do the USA which is 8 weeks after the first show and that is where I need to be closer to 3%. I have heard many different things about the t3 from good competitors that I have been in touch with - some say it has a mild effect - others felt it really worked too well and they lost muscle like your friend perhaps. So I am going to just use a real small amount for this show and just see how it goes. Then if I go on I can adjust accordingly. Do you compete? You sound very knowledgeable. IP: Logged
Texas Guns Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 263)	posted April 19, 2000 10:06 AM Musclicious, I have been training for a long time, but am going to enter my first competition in September here in Texas. I really hate to ask this question, but are you competing in the male or female categories. I just assumed female til you said you were looking to be a 3% bodyfat. I could be way off base but I thought that would equal death for a woman. I may not be as knowledgeable as you think. I have just read and experienced as much as I can regarding bodybuilding and fitness. I'm glad to be of any help to you. Texas Guns IP: Logged
Musclicious Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15)	posted April 19, 2000 10:16 PM Yes I am a female and no, 3% does not equal death............check out any pics from the winners of national level contests and see. My training partner took 3rd at last years jr nationals and hers was at three if not lower. IP: Logged
Texas Guns Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 263)	posted April 19, 2000 11:38 PM WOW!!! I am really impressed. I wish you the greatest of luck and wish I could see you compete!!! Don't forget to take pictures of us!! Texas Guns IP: Logged
Texas Guns Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 263)	posted April 20, 2000 09:59 AM Sorry, I mean take pictures for all of us! TG IP: Logged
WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 354)	posted April 20, 2000 10:52 AM Musclicious, taper up the T3 and then you MUST taper it back down. So if your going for five weeks then week three would be you big week. What to taper up to? This is the big question. Some can only stand 100, while I've talked with others that have no problems at twice that much. Pre comp, and figuring you have never used it, I would tend to stay on the lighter side, 100 is about as far as I would go. So taper up to 100 then back down. BUT, if you feel to many sides at that does then my all means back it off a notch. I've not heard of many folks just using a level dose with any great results - compared to tapering. Just keep in mind that this is new and may prove to be a bear to figure out and hit the show at your peak. Late Lobo IP: Logged
WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 354)	posted April 20, 2000 11:07 AM Just so you have an idea of the T3 dose I'm doing at the end of my next cycle...or rather the last six weeks of a 12 week cycle Laddering the T3 (6 weeks) Day 1-3: 1 Day 4-7: 2 Day 8-11: 3 Day 12 on: 4 Thats 100mcg/day and you should prolly use that dose (max) for your first time. Spaced throughout the day. Be sure to come back down the ladder when finishing up. And you might wish to strech out the the up ladder and even a little slower while finishing up. My starting weight is right around 225/230 and right around 13% BF. But I do not think the dose is "size sensitive" to any great deal. And remember, YOU MUST COMBINE IT WITH GEAR. Just needed to say that again. Late Lobo IP: Logged
Musclicious Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15)	posted April 21, 2000 07:36 PM Thanks for the info, Lobo. It all makes good sense and I will probably try to stay at no more than 3 a day..... IP: Logged
WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 354)	posted April 22, 2000 12:39 AM Just take it untill you "get the shakes" and then back it off a bit. You will find your limit and this is right where you want to be - just under the "max" effects. Late Lobo IP: Logged

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