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JayeLynn
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posted April 13, 2000 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JayeLynn   Click Here to Email JayeLynn     Edit/Delete Message
Dan Duchaine talked about yohimbe injected to address stubborn fat deposits. Has anyone tried this? ...any feedback?

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WarLobo
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posted April 17, 2000 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
I think Mrs. Texasgunns (sp?) was doing some work with this... Drop her a line, I'm sure she would love to help. She posts on the main board now and then so try a search there as well.

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Texas Guns
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posted April 18, 2000 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Texas Guns   Click Here to Email Texas Guns     Edit/Delete Message
I have not used Yohimbe as an injection. I did use the thiomucase injections and it reduces fat cells temporarily by dehydrating them, but once you put water on, it comes back.

I am going to try a mixture of DMSO and yohimbe to topically apply. This will give some relief in certain areas. Of course if there is a large amount of fat to lose, the old fashioned way is the most effective: the combination of diet, cardio, and weight training. It takes so much longer, but the results last longer too.

Texas Guns

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JayeLynn
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posted April 19, 2000 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JayeLynn   Click Here to Email JayeLynn     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Texas thanks for the reply. You seem to have some popularity here and I've been anxiously awaiting to here from you. I guess when it comes to the bodybuilding ring, excessive fat becomes fuzzy terminology. Depending on who's doing the test and which technique they are using, my %BF can fluctuate radically. Consequently, I don't have it done very often. I believe it to be under 20% and over 8%. The problem is that I have reached the point where my face is getting a bit thin. I'm 5'4" at 137# (give or take a few ounces): I've been lifting quite seriously for the last 3 years. I can see both heads on the biceps, three heads on the deltoid, and there's a definate destinction between my obliques and abdominus. My quads are sitting at 21" and my waist is at 29. The problem is that thin skin at the top translates to thick as one travels the gravity vector. And then there's those damned pockets: one on each hip, one right under the bellybutton, and on the back side of my upper arms.

Please keep me in mind with your progress/experiment on the DMSO/Yohimbe. and just for fyi, received the following from another on this topic.

I've used Yohimbe in conjunction with the ECA stack along with L-Tyrosine.
Also my fitness competitors, who don't wish to go to the extremes in contest preparation, have used the above combination with fantastic results.

Here's a guideline of how the "Thermogenic" combination was followed.
1. E.C.A stack with 500mg L-tyrosine 3 times a day on an empty stomach.
2. 0.2mg Yohimbe HCl / kg bodyweight taken with each "ECA Stack" A 70kg athlete = 14mg Yohimbe HCl.
3. No high intensity cardiovascular training should be done after taken any combination containing Yohimbe as in itself it causes an increase in B. pressure. Low-Mod intensity cardio is recommended.
4. The entire combination was used over a 5 day period with 2 days rest.

I have helped only one competitior with site applications.
You may have read that you can reduced the Yohimbe tablets into a fine powder then dissolve it in a DMSO / H2O solution. 50/50. This is then applied to the site (upper quads / hips) evenly and wrapped with plastic food wrap for about an hour. The idea behind this (which too works a bit better than the above) is that you don't have much of a capillary supply to your adipose tissue hence taking an oral form may not allow the substrate fully reach the fat cell.

I have no idea where you may find Yohimbe HCl now as I'm living elsewhere in the world from where I were when I helped these fitness competitiors in preparation for their comps. You could just as easily use Twin Labs "Yohimbine Fuel"

Main ingredient for body recomposition is: Regular resistance training, cardiovascular work, nutrition and support!

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Texas Guns
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posted April 19, 2000 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Texas Guns   Click Here to Email Texas Guns     Edit/Delete Message
Yes that information is very helpful!! Also keep in mind the way body fat burns on a woman is very different from men. While everthing starts from the head down. Since the hips, butt, and thighs carry the largest stores of fat, it is the last thing to go. Once the body has burned in all other areas it has no choice but to hit these areas. Once it does start coming off it will happen at a rapid pace. So whatever you do, don't give up. It seems to be the first place to gain and the last place to lose. Such is the curse of a woman. Also don't forget that for women who have had children, their lower abs are harder to hit. My abs are tight, but I seem to carry around this "kangaroo pouch" of excess skin after three children. Gross, I know but reality for me. Trying very hard to reduce as much as I can. Let me know how your progress goes!!!

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JayeLynn
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posted April 19, 2000 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JayeLynn   Click Here to Email JayeLynn     Edit/Delete Message
Mostly for myself, I found the following info on dmso and will share for anyone else in the same boat.


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THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS INTENDED AS MATERIAL TO INFORM AND EDUCATE. THERE IS NO CLAIM BEING MADE, IN THE THERAPY AREAS, OF SCIENTIFIC VALIDITY, ONLY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. THERE IS ALSO NO CLAIM BEING MADE AS TO THE SUPERIORITY OF THESE METHODS OVER ANY OTHER. THERAPY MUST BE GUIDED BY YOUR PHYSICIAN, NOT THE INFORMATION GIVEN IN THIS MATERIAL.


DMSO Therapy

Introduction
This is a chemical product�called dimethyl sulfoxide�that has been around a long time but is totally strange to the orthodox medical community. It has been used for years by athletes to help them with painful muscles and joints.
DMSO works in a number of ways, but these are entirely new to therapeutic principles. This is not a drug in the usual sense, since a drug treats disease symptoms. DMSO treats altered cellular function or damaged cells. The cells become healed and restored by changing and stabilizing the �water structure� within the cell. It exerts its effects on biological systems by changing the liquid structure of water. Therefore, changes occur in protein and other molecules. These changes are physical-chemical in nature and difficult to understand without a degree in physics.

The fact remains that these products work to restore function in illnesses like arthritis and immune system disease, and they are very helpful in acute inflammatory pain syndromes.


What It Does
DMSO tends to build up white blood cells and increase immune production of MIF (migration inhibitory factors) of macrophages. Thus, the immune system is made more effective by allowing macrophages to move more quickly. Thus DMSO modulates lymphocytes, and it therefore reactivates the production of MIF. It also diminishes allergic reactions by unfolding the cell membrane and making more cell receptor sites available to attachment by specific antigens.
The modulating effect of DMSO on lymphocytes also tends to increase the production of lymphokines (chemical immune cell mediators) such as interferon. It potentiates cell mediated immunity and can be effective in multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus, erythematosus, rheumatoid arthritis, thyroiditis, ulcerative colitis, cancer, etc.


What Are Its Major Therapeutic Properties?
It blocks pain by interrupting conduction in the small c-fibers, the non-myelinating nerve fibers.
It is anti-inflammatory.
It is anti bacterial, fungal and viral.
It transports all molecules (drugs, etc.) across cell membranes.
It reduces the incidence of platelet thrombi (clots in vessels).
It effects cardiac contractility by inhibiting calcium to reduce the workload of the heart.
It is a vasodilator, probably related to histamine release in the cells and to prostaglandin inhibition.
It softens collagen.
It is a scavenger of the hydroxyl free radical.
It stimulates the immune system.
It is a potent diuretic.
It increases interferon formation.
It stimulates wound healing.
Summary
DMSO has certain unique physiological characteristics which stem from its molecular makeup:
It is a simple small molecule with unusual properties.
An exothermic reaction occurs when DMSO is diluted with water (heat is generated).
Hydroxyl radicals (OH), which are free radicals (oxidants), are ubiquitous and highly injurious to cells�and thus health. DMSO neutralizes (quenches) these free radicals. It is a free radical scavenger!
DMSO substitutes for water in the living cell�it can destroy intracellular free radicals. No other antioxidant can do that.
DMSO increases the permeability of cell membranes yielding a flushing effect of toxins from intracellular location to extracellular.
It is an antidote to allergic reactions.
It can penetrate any cell wall; thus it can get where most chemicals can�t.
It has a very low index of any toxicity.
Allergic reactions to DMSO can occur but they are uncommon.
DMSO has a myriad of applications in medicine. Some are so dramatically effective that the concept of such therapy just boggles the mind!

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JayeLynn
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posted July 13, 2000 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JayeLynn   Click Here to Email JayeLynn     Edit/Delete Message
bump this up for riptchick and anyone else whose been asking.

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