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 Warlobo, MS, F1 & other experts...
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Ya know how certain AS aromatize in men...err, convert from test to estrogen...well, this might be a really stupid question but can those same (or others) AS cause estrogen spikes in women by increasing the amount of estrogen one has after the cycle is over? Also, does gear usage cause estrogen suppression in anyway so that the return of estrogen after a cycle would still be like a spike since the levels are kinda being messed with? I know its kinda of a stupid question and unfortunately for me human physiology is not my forte but any responses will be greatly appreciated. [This message has been edited by riptchick (edited January 20, 2001).]     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 135 |
Warlobo I hope I am not overstepping my bounds by posting on the wife's board (riptchick).With that said, we were both wondering if Proviron would be better for estrogen rebound whereas its action is to block the aromatization in the first place, whereas tamoxifen blocks the receptor after the aromatization has taken place. She has had one hell of an estrogen rebound after her last cycle of anavar. She was wanting to do anther cycle of something different and wanted to prevent this from happening again. Either sust or maybe primo. I was thinking the sust would create a greater rebound action than primo but the sust would help with female fat distribution. Any thoughts conjecture or theory on this subject would be greatly appreciated. | ||
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Moderator 
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Heavens 3cc, you welcome to post here any day. What was your last cycle RC? ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Warlobo her last cycle was anavar. F1HYBRID I have no studies or analytical reports of the exact actions of Proviron, what I posted is what I heard wandering the various boards.Is proviron better for a man than a woman? Is tamoxifen better for a woman than a man? And what are their actions, reactions and pathways in laymans terms? Her estrogen spike after anavar was crazy.Great AS, no sides other than the spike when it was over.Arimidex is an option but it is more costly than the gear itself and difficult to come by.And how would Arimidex affect a woman? What are the dosages for a 140# woman? We are both planning a spring cycle and are trying to figure out a good anti-aromatase and or estrogen blocker for the end of the cycle. I personally have used tamoxifen with good results, but I don't want to mess up my woman. Just trying to gather info so we can make a decision.Thanks for any info!!!! [This message has been edited by 3ccEOD (edited January 21, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 712 |
http://64.177.200.129/board/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Read&BID=1&TID=1325&SID=8589 Check this site out! Hope this helps! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 501 |
Ok, found some basic info regarding anti-estrogenics.. http://www.anabolics.com/_private/antiestrodrugs.asp After I read some more information found on the net I would say that Proviron is not a viable option. I don't want to mess with the androgens. Arimidex, tamoxifen are viable and now as for dosages I'll have to continue to ask around and I'll let you know what I come up with. Feel free to let me know what you think as I value my trusted elite friends opinions. Thanks. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I guess my first question would be "how do you know it was estrogen rebound?" And I concur with F1 that the non-aromatizing AS (such as anavar and primo) are more likely to reduce your E levels while on cycle, compared to good old T that will convert to E to some degree. If you're certain the problem is due to high estrogen levels, then you should invest in the Arimidex. This is mainly because, in women, Nolvadex is also estrogenic, for instance in the ovaries and bone tissue, so I don't know how well it would help other than to reduce post-cycle breast growth and tenderness. 1mg per day of Arimidex should be plenty for both of you. To save money, 3cc could take Nolva instead (since he doesn't have ovaries to worry about). Anyway, this is mostly speculative for reason F1 already pointed out. As always, keep us posted no matter what you decide to do. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 501 |
MS, I am guessing what I felt was a rebound. A few weeks after my cycle I experienced premenstral symptoms--breast tenderness, water retention, lower back ache, lots of irritability, break outs BUT they were to the umpteenth degree. Periods had traditionally been light lasting 4-5 days. The 2nd menstral cycle post anavar was extremely heavy lasting 8 days lots of abdominal bloating, heavy bleeding, heavy acne-just prior to period...generally pretty yucky. The other thing which I think is pretty weird is I went up a full cup size--nice side there. Thankfully things are back to normal now. It's been several months... But it was weird how I felt it just a few weeks after the stint with anavar. I think that next time I might add the arimidex for good measure. I still need to read some more on it as I am not sure if I have all I need to know. I'll definitely keep ya'll posted. And thanks for the responses. [This message has been edited by riptchick (edited January 21, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Sure does sound like an excess estrogen problem (or at least a reduced tolerance to estrogen).I forgot to mention one other thing that was so obvious I assumed you had already considered it. But you'll have to come off the Arimidex sometime if ya know what I mean. You'll just face the tune later rather than sooner. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Ok riptchick I am no expert, but Anavar is not supposed to aromatise at any dose. Which leaves me guessing as to why you got an estrogen rebound after you finished your cycle. Although I have never used Anavar (Oxandrolone) before and I haven�t heard of many people experiencing side effects, I may have an answer. As the name implies Oxandrolone (Anavar) is related to the Nandrolones and as most people will know Deca can cause Progesterone like side effects in some men at doses of 400 � 600 mg per week i.e. gyno, fat accumulation, bloating etc. Now the predecessor to Anavar was Nilevar, which was slightly more androgenic than Anavar and came in 10-mg tabs or so I believe, yet it had a similar structure to Anavar. Nilevar was used by a few male bodybuilders back in the 1950�s and the side effects included a huge increase in strength along with bloating and water retention. Although I have not heard anyone mention it before, Anavar may have progesterone like effects in some people. The only problem with my theory is that you say you experienced the sides after you finished using Anavar. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Madmitch; yes, it was after the anavar was over. We were thinking not that it was aromatizing but that it may have suppressed the estrogen so that when I came off my normal production sky rocketed. I am at a loss why. Its not a finite science when it comes to women that's for sure. 3cc and I discussed the issue of once the arimidex was done voila, here we go again. This just solidifies what we already knew that you don't know how you are going to respond to AS use. While I loved the results do the risks outweigh the benefits? In my case, I don't think so since the amounts that I am willing to do are very small which is why I went with the anavar only for 6 weeks first. We'll have to see if I decide to do another cycle but for now I would have to say it's on the back burner. [This message has been edited by riptchick (edited January 22, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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F1, thanks for your insight. I knew you would provide some good answers. That is what we thought about the Ox. Do you think that a long taper to the smallest amounts would help with the rebound? Because other than that I was very pleased with the results. Maybe primo because I could do a long taper with that... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Wow RC! Thanks so much for sharing your experience...made an excellent discussion. I'm wondering if any of the other ladies have experienced similar effects?? I'm wondering too if some herbal support might help get your menstrual cycle/estrogen production back to normal? I'll have to look that up. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Thanks, Skydancer, drop me an email if you find anything...Never thought of the herbal thing. Worth looking into. |
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posted January 20, 2001 04:59 PM