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WarLobo

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posted December 13, 2000 12:57 PM

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Electromyographical (EMG) Research is an essential research tool allowing physiologists to determine the role of muscles during specific movements. I�ve been reading up on this of late and have really found some startling information as well as confirmation of some traditional schools of thought. I�d figure you all would be interested in this stuff and I'll TRY not to go "F1" or "MS" on ya all So what is EMG, well, electromyography is a scientific method of measuring the level of excitation. Which are electrical charges that travel across the membrane of muscle fibers. It is this movement of ion flow that can be measured on the skin by a surface electromyogram (SEMG). An SEMG reading is representative of the entire electrical activity of the motor units and the frequency of their firing rates for each muscle being examined.

Groovy, but what do this do for my Quads????!!!!!

Well, the purpose of this study was to find which SPECIFIC exercises cause the greatest amount of stimulation within each muscle group and, as a consequence, to determine which exercises will produce the greatest gains in mass and strength.


Specifics of the Method:

Both male and female bodybuilders and strength trainers who were free of neuromuscular disease, had at least two years of Bbing experience, AND were free of performance enhancing drugs for at least two years were used as test subjects.

Testing was performed on two separate days. EMG data was measured during all exercises. EMG data was rectified and integrated (IEMG) for one second. Data was taken of a one rep max (1RM) performed 3 times with a five min rest interval. Next, the data was taken of five 80% 1RM with a three min rest interval. Each subject underwent a warm-up of 10 reps of 50% 1RM, 5 reps at 80% 1RM and 2 reps at 90% 1RM with a five min rest interval.

Data was analyzed using two one-way repeated measures analysis of variance to determine which exercise yields the greatest percent IEMG max for each muscle. Differences among exercises were determined with the Newman post hoc test.


And the results are (%100 IEMG would be the max fiber stimulation):


Pectoralis major:

Decline dumbbell bench press ----------------93%
Decline bench press, Olympic bar(OB)---------89
Push-ups between benches --------------------88
Flat dumbbell bench press -------------------87
Flat bench press (OB) -----------------------85
Flat dumbbell flys --------------------------84


Pectoralis minor:

Incline dumbbell bench press ----------------91%
Incline bench press (OB) --------------------85
Incline dumbbell flys -----------------------83
Incline bench press (smith machine) ---------81

Ok, my hands are killing me.... More to come folks!

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FitnessChick

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posted December 13, 2000 01:16 PM

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I have read about this before...let me look through my stuff & see if I can find it....


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posted December 13, 2000 01:19 PM

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I guess that would be why the dumbell presses always make me more sore than other chest exercizes. Thanks WarLobo. Can't wait for more........


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And moving right along....


Medial deltoids

Incline dumbbell (db) side laterals ----- 66%
Standing db side laterals -------63
Seated db side laterals -----62
Cable side laterals -----47


Posterior deltoids

Standing db bent laterals ----- 85%
Seated db bent laterals -----83
Standing cable bent laterals -----77


Anterior deltoids

Seated front db press -----79%
Standing front db raises -----73
seated front barbell press -----61

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WonderWoman

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posted December 13, 2000 05:38 PM

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WOW Sir Lobo!!
I'm feeling a new dumbell based training cycle in the works. Since many of us tend to be barbell based, hows about a switch to dumbells exclusively for about 6 weeks and see what happens. Any opinions? Experience? Seems that would be an interesting way to get a kick start into some new growth for the new year. I'm getting goosebumps.
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Lisa_The_Strong

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wow! the decline db press beats the incline and flat......I never do decline....was always told it was a waste of time....
very good info Lobo
eagerly awaiting more info


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On the Db sitch, I have ALWAYS incorporated flys, presses in my bench routien. At times I will do a superset of flat OB bench, followed by Db - It fricking PUMPS YOU UP!

And I KNOW - declines.... who would have thought! I started them five weeks ago - worked up to 350 for 4 reps and a 10 sec negative this last Sunday. All I can say is OUCH, MOTHER of GOD HELP ME. I've not been that much in pain from a chest workout in years. I STILL can feel it today!

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Lisa_The_Strong

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I always use db's, as well as the bar, in doing chest.....I just find I can only use a lighter weight when using db's, as opposed to the bar with some plates....and psychologically, I feel stronger using more weight, so, I tend to enjoy using the bar more........but really, using db's could be a better and more precise way in seeing my gains.......just a thought


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WarLobo

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I know exactly what you mean LtS and good point. It is rather impowering to slam up some weight. Hey, that's cool and it does work your chest - not like I'm going to give it up any time soon either. But incorporating Db's will hopefully get your bench weight UP!

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posted December 14, 2000 11:28 AM

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And for all you Bi lovers out there


Biceps brachii (long head):

Preacher curls (Ob) -------------------- 90%
Incline seated Db curls (alternate) ------ 88
Standing biceps curls (Ob/narrow grip)--- 86
Standing Db curls (alternate) ----------- 84
Concentration Db curls ------------------ 80
Standing curls (Ob/wide grip)------------ 63
Standing E-Z curls (wide grip) ----------- 61


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Triceps brachii (outer head):

Decline extensions (Ob) ------------------ 92%
Triceps pressdowns (angled bar) ----------- 90
Dips with a bench --------------------------87
One-arm calbel extensiions (reverse grip) - 85
Overhead rope extensions ------------------ 85
Seated one-arm Db extensions (neutral grip)- 82
Close-grip bench press (Ob) --------------- 72

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riptchick

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posted December 14, 2000 12:18 PM

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Hmmm, Warlobo, very informative indeed. No big surprises either.


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FitnessChick

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well I have searched & searched to no avail...i jonw I will stumble upon it when I stop looking....


anyway, as far as decline bench, I remember back in may I used to incorporate those into my chest workouts after super heavy bench, and I used to get the most wicked contractions in my chest----I havent done them since I got augmented, hmmm....maybe i will try them tonite....this is a really great post!


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posted December 14, 2000 01:00 PM

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The complete table is listed on p.124 in "Serious Strength Training" by Bompa and Cornacchia. Human Kinetics, 1998.

Also check out, "Target Bodybuilding" by Tesch. Human Kinetics, 1999.

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WarLobo

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Damn F1, Do you have EVERY fricking book!

And I wanted everyone to think I was doing the reasearch my self :P


It is one of my favs folks.... well worth the small price. But then you got a few of us posting it all anyways....

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posted December 15, 2000 12:38 PM

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LAtissimus dorsi:

Bent-over Bb rows ---------------------------93%
One-arm Db rows -----------------------------91
T-bar rows ----------------------------------89
Lat pulldowns to the front ------------------86
Seated pulley rows --------------------------83

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I'm gonna check this out I'm writing up a 6 week workout based soley on the exercises you listed .

We shall see.


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PREACHER CURLZ!! For Pete's sake Lobo, are you trying to blow my world completely apart!! I'm off to Barnes and Noble to buy that book. I am adult enough to say that I have left it on the shelf on numerous occaisons, lesson learned.
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I know... I know.... It has really made me damn disapointed with myself on some of my "standard" lift I've been using....

But I will have a few general comments to make after the last muscle group. And I'm sure this will open up some great debate.

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Rectus femoris (quads):

Safety squats
(90 degree angle, shoulder width stance) ----88%
seated leg extensions (toes straight) -------86
Hack squats
(90 degree angle, shoulder width stance) ----78
Leg press (110 degree angle) ----------------76
Smith machine
(90 degree angle, shoulder width stance) ----60


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Bicepts femoris (hams):

Standing leg curls --------------------------82%
Lying leg curls -----------------------------71
Seated leg curls ----------------------------58
Modified hamstring deads --------------------56


Semitendinosus (it's sort of the inner ham)

Seated leg curls ----------------------------88
Standing leg curls --------------------------79
Lying leg curls -----------------------------70
Modified hamstring deads --------------------63


Gastrocnemius (calf muscle)

Donkey raises -------------------------------80
Standing one-leg raises ---------------------79
Standing two-leg raises ---------------------68
Seated raises -------------------------------61

And there you have it folks!!!!

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squating only to a 90degree angle? What bout always hearing going down as far as you can?
Sometimes I go all the way or only parallel.....depends.
I'm assumnig 90 degree angle means parallel??


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quote:
Originally posted by WarLobo:
Rectus femoris (quads):

Safety squats
(90 degree angle, shoulder width stance) ----88%

Hack squats
(90 degree angle, shoulder width stance) ----78

Smith machine
(90 degree angle, shoulder width stance) ----60



Ok...Now Im surprised by the quads...First of all, I NEVER do Hack Squats..seems as if its hurting my knees..
Second, I always do squats on the smith machine b/c I dont have a spot and it seems to help w/going up in #'s and keeping good form...after reading what this is saying seems like I need to start squatting w/out using smith machine? What do most of you do?


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I never do them on the Smith machine. My partner would have a fit. I was always told that if you were going to do just one exercise make it squats. We never wrap either. My hubby and I are the only two (beside one guy that comes in that works out at Monster's gym)that actually break parallel.


Walking lunges (knees hitting the floor) I do those every other leg workout...Any idea how this ranks? I know they hurt....


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WarLobo

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Ok, now that I a few free moments, I want to make a few comments about the many exercises that were tested.

First thing about the EMG readings, is that it can only read the bigger muscles in specific exercises. For example, you not going to get a reading of the small specific muscles in the back.

Second, any of the large compound movements such as squats, deads, and even bench for that matter, work many, many muscle groups.
I don't think for one second that any of the vets on this board will tell you deads do not work to build a solid foundation. That squats are the key to over all muscle growth. These big compound movements MUST still be incorporated!

Third, these are site specific exercises. Something to use to hit a lagging area, to better use your time in the gym (get in and get out - right F1?), and to give you a better understanding of what has been shown to work - not gym folklore.

Fourth, there are many exercises they did not look at. Hey folks, this type of stuff cost money, so I figured they selected the most popular and went from there.

None-the-less, I found this info top notch and I've had first hand experience of incorporating many of the top exercises.

I'm sure when IG puts together a workout routine you STILL going to see deads and squats


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Well, Santa sent this 'ol gal a lovely new book on training this holiday season. I havent had much time to sit down and give it the once over. Thanks again Sir Lobo for prying open my eyes.
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posted December 27, 2000 08:40 PM

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Sooooo IG.... your on the hook for a EMG Work Out Plan.

Anit Santa great!

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quote:
Originally posted by WarLobo:
Rectus femoris (quads):

Safety squats
(90 degree angle, shoulder width stance) ----88%
seated leg extensions (toes straight) -------86
Hack squats
(90 degree angle, shoulder width stance) ----78
Leg press (110 degree angle) ----------------76
Smith machine
(90 degree angle, shoulder width stance) ----60


I had no idea that Smith squats were not stimulating to muscle tissue. 60% as opposed to regular squats is a crucial difference.
My problem is that i work and work out at a corporate gym and i only have access to the Smith machine. I think that i may have to see about purchasing a OB, but i don't know if my company will buy it because of the liability.

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